Diwali or not, India can't boycott Chinese goods

[AndrewJin]

Thanks for the video.
It's crazy to see China's Manufacturing Technology is Far ahead than most countries in Asia.

thanks to the East Asia-ASEAN supply chain.
It's a well-run collaborative win-win strategy.
There is cooperation as well as competition.
A healthy supply chain is being strengthened.

Shanghai, July 7 (CNA) Ground was broken Thursday for a new 12- inch wafer plant of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC, 台積電), the world's largest contract chip maker, in Nanjing, in China's Jiangsu Province, with commercial production of the new site scheduled to start in the second half of 2018.

TSMC Chairman Morris Chang (張忠謀) attended the ground-breaking ceremony to observe the new milestone in the development of Taiwan's semiconductor industry in its global expansion strategies.

Several high-ranking Chinese government and Communist Party officials, including Jiangsu Provincial Party Secretary Li Qiang (李強), also attended the ground-breaking.

The new TSMC facility will be the third 12-inch wafer plant built by a Taiwanese chip maker in China after the two others, operated by the second-largest Taiwanese chip maker United Microelectronics Corp. (聯電) and memory chip supplier Powerchip Technology Corp. (力晶).

The total investments of TSMC's Nanjing plant are estimated at US$3 billion, but as TSMC will relocate its existing production equipment from Taiwan to Nanjing and the Chinese government has promised to provide investment incentives, the investment amount could be short of that figure.

Starting from the second half of 2018, mass production at the Nanjing plant is expected to kick off, with a monthly production capacity of 20,000 units, TSMC said, adding that the new plant will employ the chip maker's advanced 16 nanometer production process.

After commercial production starts, TSMC's share in the global pure foundry business is expected to grow to 57 percent from the current 55 percent, further strengthening the chip maker's lead over its peers, market analysts said.

The analysts said the plant will pose a direct threat to TSMC's Chinese competitors, in particular Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. (SMIC, 中芯) and Shanghai Huali Microelectronics Corp. (華力), eroding their market shares.

Currently, TSMC operates an 8-inch wafer plant in Songshan, Shanghai.

Chang did not take any questions from the press during the ground-breaking ceremony. In June, he told reporters in Taiwan that China is the fastest-growing semiconductor market in the world.

TSMC applied for approval from the government to build a 12-inch wafer plant in Nanjing late last year, and the Investment Commission issued a green light to the chip maker in February.

Simon Chang (張善政), who served as premier in the previous Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九) administration prior to May 20, said that TSMC's 12-inch wafer plant project is necessary because otherwise it would be hard for non-Chinese IC suppliers to sell their products there in the future.

(By Jackson Chang, Chang Shu-lin and Frances Huang)
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[Kaniska]

Do u understand global supply chain? Made(assembled) in Malaysia does not mean no China components, why don't u boycott that too?

Ultimately they will when the ecosystem in India will be stable enough to boycott it...But till then point, let us enjoy the cheap products if it is available to public.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Ultimately they will when the ecosystem in India will be stable enough to boycott it...But till then point, let us enjoy the cheap products if it is available to public.

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'I am not boycotting Chinese goods, because i am helpless to'

 

[AndrewJin]

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'I am not boycotting Chinese goods, because i am helpless to'

I think it's time for indian middle class (if they really have the middle class purchasing power) to buy higher-end products.

Xiaomi has 100-200 dollars Redmi, but also has 300-400 dollars Mi 5s and 400-500 dollars Mi note and 500-600 dollars Mi Mix.

If their purchasing power is "cheap", they will be treated "cheap".

 

[Kaniska]

I think it's time for indian middle class (if they really have the middle class purchasing power) to buy higher-end products.

Xiaomi has 100-200 dollars Redmi, but also has 300-400 dollars Mi 5s and 400-500 dollars Mi note and 500-600 dollars Mi Mix.

If their purchasing power is "cheap", they will be treated "cheap".

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Makes sense...but the issue is that Apple and Samsung has a higher brand value when your suggested products will compete with them. So whoever is spending 600 dollar, he might opt for Apple iPhone and pay $100 extra for it.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Makes sense...but the issue is that Apple and Samsung has a higher brand value when your suggested products will compete with them. So whoever is spending 600 dollar, he might opt for Apple iPhone and pay $100 extra for it.

This post, for one- is a true and intelligent post

 

[Kaniska]

This post, for one- is a true and intelligent post

see...you have to understand that, in general, I do not have any animosity with neither China nor Chinese product. Again, it is nothing wrong to have a social awareness to use our own Indian product...Even Chines high end phones will provide more value add to me in the same price than the American product, then we do not mind using it either..

Business and politics are 2 separate thing...

 

[AndrewJin]

Makes sense...but the issue is that Apple and Samsung has a higher brand value when your suggested products will compete with them. So whoever is spending 600 dollar, he might opt for Apple iPhone and pay $100 extra for it.

It does work in Europe.
It's all about branding and image building.
Huawei has made efforts in Europe, their high-end phones are sold pretty well as a newcomer of high-end phones.
Half an hour later, Huawei Mate 9 will be launched in Germany.
Again, such high-end phones will never be officially sold in india, just like DJI Mavic.

However, just look at Apple's sales in india, they have not even opened one single official store in india. Apple is not even among China's top3 brands, not one single model is among China's top20 best-seller in Q3. But it is opening new stores everywhere including cities in Western China.

The question is, is the high-end phone market in india too tiny?
The so-called middle class is actually medium poor?

 

[ARABIC]

nice

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

see...you have to understand that, in general, I do not have any animosity with neither China nor Chinese product. Again, it is nothing wrong to have a social awareness to use our own Indian product...Even Chines high end phones will provide more value add to me in the same price than the American product, then we do not mind using it either..

Business and politics are 2 separate thing...

Im refering to your sharp observation on the importance of the brand name factor, even if the more reputated 1 like Apple, Samsung or Blackberry is more costly(up to 4times more then Chinese phones in some cases)despite bring of comparable or 'inferior quality' with other less-established brands. Xiaomi's Mi5's Snapdragon 820 processor is a prime example of superior quality.

For me, i would be getting the Xiaomi Mi5, despite the Apple iPhone and the Samsung S series having a long-established, duo-monopoly dominance in Singapore.

Xiaomi, One plus, Huawei, Oppo are building up their reputation slowly and its only a matter of time b4 they reach the level of iphone in terms of branding- at least in Singapore.

 

[AndrewJin]

Im refering to your sharp observation on the importance of the brand name factor, even if the more reputated 1 like Apple, Samsung or Blackberry is more costly(up to 4times more then Chinese phones in some cases)despite bring of comparable or 'inferior quality' with other less-established brands. Xiaomi's Mi5's Snapdragon 820 processor is a prime example of superior quality.

For me, i would be getting the Xiaomi Mi5, despite the Apple iPhone and the Samsung S series having a long-established, duo-monopoly dominance in Singapore.

Xiaomi, One plus, Huawei, Oppo are building up their reputation slowly and its only a matter of time b4 they reach the level of iphone in terms of branding- at least in Singapore.

Yes, branding and rebranding are crucial.
It takes time, but should get started!

See how Huawei is doing in Europe.
It proves their high-end phones can be well accepted.
btw, the same Huawei P9 in Europe is priced 1000yuan higher than in China.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Yes, branding and rebranding are crucial.
It takes time, but should get started!

See how Huawei is doing in Europe.
It proves their high-end phones can be well accepted.
btw, the same Huawei P9 in Europe is priced 1000yuan higher than in China.

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I would say give it another 4-5years in brand-building. Then the Chinese brands could eventually oust Apple and maybe Samsung from the top spots

 

[AndrewJin]

I would say give it another 4-5years in brand-building. Then the Chinese brands could eventually oust Apple and maybe Samsung from the top spots

Samsung quite likely. Probably need more time for Apple which sells an ecosystem more than a phone.

At least at the home market, Samsung is already dead. Apple is no longer among Top3.

 

[Kaniska]

It does work in Europe.
It's all about branding and image building.
Huawei has made efforts in Europe, their high-end phones are sold pretty well as a newcomer of high-end phones.
Half an hour later, Huawei Mate 9 will be launched in Germany.
Again, such high-end phones will never be officially sold in india, just like DJI Mavic.

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However, just look at Apple's sales in india, they have not even opened one single official store in india. Apple is not even among China's top3 brands, not one single model is among China's top20 best-seller in Q3. But it is opening new stores everywhere including cities in Western China.

The question is, is the high-end phone market in india too tiny?
The so-called middle class is actually medium poor?

I like your mindset to prove that you are rich people. Without any doubt, China and its people are definitely richer than Indian middle class. One person is rich does not mean, others are poor too. Anyway, whatever suits to your ego to prove that you guys are rich, I do not mind accepting it. Because at the end of the day, it does not impact me any way, if China is rich or not.

Coming to the subject, yes, Indian high end phone markets are expanding very fast. I do not have any official data of how much the sale of Apple in India, but in my familly itself, every cousins in India have the latest iPhone model which is pretty much on highest cost segment in phone. Even also, some one offers more value added phone with lesser price, they will go for Apple phone for their own satisfaction.

 

[xunzi]

I always choke up spilling water out of my mouth whenever I hear an innocent cub talking about boycotting China products. LOL How stupid can they be? You don't boycott for the sake of nationality! This is simple survival 101. Human always buy products for its value. If we don't provide the best value for the money, nobody would buy from us.