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Last fortnight, close on the heels of the rise of firecracker nationalism against Chinese goods on social media, Reserve Bank of India (RBI) was busy making adjustments for yuan’s entry into India’s foreign exchange reserves. Not only RBI, most of the global central bankers too had to alter metrics of their forex reserves after yuan’s rise as the world’s fifth most powerful currency.

Only three days after India’s surgical strike on terror launch pads across the LoC, the yuan became a Special Drawing Rights (SDR) currency, the elite club of four global currencies under the International Monetary Fund (IMF). After the American dollar, the Japanese yen, the British pound and the euro, only the yuan has found a place in the premium currency basket.

As all countries constitute their foreign exchange reserves in denominations of SDR currencies, India, along with other nations, are now required to create yuan reserves as well.

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China’s access to the Indian market is far more deep and extensive than low-end consumables like firecrackers.

We can vent our frustration by endlessly cursing former governments for China’s growing influence, but when a country makes more than 50 per cent of the world’s computers, two-thirds of its DVDs, ovens and toys, Made in China is the unpalatable global reality. China has, in fact, forced the rewriting of the history of global trade. History shares no precedent when a country captured markets worldwide by becoming the singular global manufacturing power.

It is not at all impossible that the mobile phones with which messages of Chinese goods boycott are sent or received are fully or partially made in China. The mobile network carrying these messages could be made by the Chinese companies ZTE or Huawei, or the sim cards could have come from China. Even if the phone is Korean or Japanese, the China factor will come into the picture because these two countries import electronics worth $70billion annually from China. It is also possible that these phones are charged with electricity produced at a unit with a Chinese turbine.

China’s access to the Indian market is far more deep and extensive than low-end consumables like firecrackers and other Diwali decorative essentials. The total firecracker import is unlikely to cross the million dollar mark, however, foreign trade statistics suggests that India’s largest imports from China are electronics ($20 billion), nuclear reactor and machinery ($10.5 billion), chemicals ($6 billion) and steel ($2.3 billion). In 2015-16, India’s import from China was worth $61 billion, out of which the top ten imports amounted to $48 billion. After China, India’s largest imports come from United States, Saudi Arabia and UAE. Imports from China is almost equal to all three put together. The cracker revolutionaries must know that India’s share in China’s global export, more than $2 trillion, is less than even three per cent.

The China challenge will have to be dealt rationally, not emotionally. Indian manufacturing sector’s dependence on China has not been studied well. The last such effort was made in 2011 when the national security adviser of that time confidentially studied the Chinese penetration into Indian economy. The conclusions were startling:

1. China is well in the position of pricing its products 40 per less than that in India. More importantly, India has comparatively very limited number of products in global trade.

2. In 2011, China’s share in telecom imports by India was 62 per cent. Today it could be above 75 per cent, with fast growth of 3G and 4G networks.

3. China is the world’s largest bulk drug-manufacturer and India is 100 per cent dependent on China for its pharmaceutical (Bulk and API) supplies.

4. And, most importantly, China accounted for 26 per cent of India’s manufacturing GDP as per NSA’s study in 2011. NSA study had projected China’s share may go up to 75 per cent in next five years. This estimate has proven accurate largely. World markets have capitulated to the fact that whatever China would buy would become pricey and what it would sell would become cheaper.


After the rise of China, nations have started focusing on their core competence and cost reduction measures to counter the invasion of Made in China stuff. India, too, instead of a boycott, will have to work on reducing the cost of production, focus on technique and promotion of smaller units, for alternatives to low-cost imports from China. As far as high tech imports are concerned, India can play its market card in a more astute manner, while adjusting to the realities of global trade. Back to the China-Pakistan liaison, from where the crackers began bursting.

The international security scenario has significantly altered after China assumed the status of the world’s second-largest economy. China’s strategic influence emanates from its economic power. It has invested about $46 billion in the China-Pak-Economic-Corridor, which is equivalent to 20 per cent of Pakistan’s GDP.

Patriotic emotional outbursts are welcome, but India will have to build its economic muscle, because in today’s world, cargo ships carry the flag of strategic power, not the battle ships.



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Besides what has been mentioned in this article, I find that many indians buy those products which are not officially sold there. For example, DJI drones. Indian army bought a lot anyway, though DJI has not opened any official shop or online channel to indian market.....


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suppose india trade deficit with china is 70 billion now. if they boycott chinese products they will lose 20-30billion more for the fact that chinese market is closer and chinese goods are cheapers. which means they with india along with already deficit will loss more money in importing goods from a 3rd party.
 
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suppose india trade deficit with china is 70 billion now. if they boycott chinese products they will lose 20-30billion more for the fact that chinese market is closer and chinese goods are cheapers. which means they with india along with already deficit will loss more money in importing goods from a 3rd party.

To China, export to india is small.
But to them, such export is the pillar of their manufacturing....
How to assemble the so-called make-in-india smart phones when they boycott components from China?
Dream in india?

4. And, most importantly, China accounted for 26 per cent of India’s manufacturing GDP as per NSA’s study in 2011. NSA study had projected China’s share may go up to 75 per cent in next five years.
 
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To China, export to india is small.
But to them, such export is the pillar of their manufacturing....
How to assemble the so-called make-in-india smart phones when they boycott components from China?
Dream in india?
they will buy expensive US components from thousand of miles far at 40% increased cost. after all patriotism is enough to run the country.
 
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they will buy expensive US components from thousand of miles far at 40% increased cost. after all patriotism is enough to run the country.
US imports most components from East Asia-ASEAN

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Cant............. my foot :D , no one can force Chinese goods on any individual ... we can boycott any thing from a country which supports the people who are killing Indians ....

We did it with Brits , we will do it with Chinese , individually my family bycotted Chinese goods this Diwali and we are making sure we will not buy anything till you guys support the terrorists in UN.

You guys lost buyers from one family who used to buy anything with even looking where its manufactured ..now they start looking just to avoid Chinese goods
 
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Boycott to your hearts content.

Firecrackers sold to India for Diwali doesnt even cross the 1 million dollar mark (as per the article) so a boycott by the 1% of Indians who would adhere to such a preposterous idea is as negligible as a bucket of sand in the Ganges.

The common Man in India doesnt care, there is family to look after, bills to pay and land to farm.
 
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The terrorists you supportopenly in UN ,kills those common men only
Boycott to your hearts content.

Firecrackers sold to India for Diwali doesnt even cross the 1 million dollar mark (as per the article) so a boycott by the 1% of Indians who would adhere to such a preposterous idea is as negligible as a bucket of sand in the Ganges.

The common Man in India doesnt care, there is family to look after, bills to pay and land to farm.
 
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http://www.dailyo.in/business/boyco...gdp-india-china-trade-cpec/story/1/13717.html
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Last fortnight, close on the heels of the rise of firecracker nationalism against Chinese goods on social media, Reserve Bank of India (RBI) was busy making adjustments for yuan’s entry into India’s foreign exchange reserves. Not only RBI, most of the global central bankers too had to alter metrics of their forex reserves after yuan’s rise as the world’s fifth most powerful currency.

Only three days after India’s surgical strike on terror launch pads across the LoC, the yuan became a Special Drawing Rights (SDR) currency, the elite club of four global currencies under the International Monetary Fund (IMF). After the American dollar, the Japanese yen, the British pound and the euro, only the yuan has found a place in the premium currency basket.

As all countries constitute their foreign exchange reserves in denominations of SDR currencies, India, along with other nations, are now required to create yuan reserves as well.

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China’s access to the Indian market is far more deep and extensive than low-end consumables like firecrackers.

We can vent our frustration by endlessly cursing former governments for China’s growing influence, but when a country makes more than 50 per cent of the world’s computers, two-thirds of its DVDs, ovens and toys, Made in China is the unpalatable global reality. China has, in fact, forced the rewriting of the history of global trade. History shares no precedent when a country captured markets worldwide by becoming the singular global manufacturing power.

It is not at all impossible that the mobile phones with which messages of Chinese goods boycott are sent or received are fully or partially made in China. The mobile network carrying these messages could be made by the Chinese companies ZTE or Huawei, or the sim cards could have come from China. Even if the phone is Korean or Japanese, the China factor will come into the picture because these two countries import electronics worth $70billion annually from China. It is also possible that these phones are charged with electricity produced at a unit with a Chinese turbine.

China’s access to the Indian market is far more deep and extensive than low-end consumables like firecrackers and other Diwali decorative essentials. The total firecracker import is unlikely to cross the million dollar mark, however, foreign trade statistics suggests that India’s largest imports from China are electronics ($20 billion), nuclear reactor and machinery ($10.5 billion), chemicals ($6 billion) and steel ($2.3 billion). In 2015-16, India’s import from China was worth $61 billion, out of which the top ten imports amounted to $48 billion. After China, India’s largest imports come from United States, Saudi Arabia and UAE. Imports from China is almost equal to all three put together. The cracker revolutionaries must know that India’s share in China’s global export, more than $2 trillion, is less than even three per cent.

The China challenge will have to be dealt rationally, not emotionally. Indian manufacturing sector’s dependence on China has not been studied well. The last such effort was made in 2011 when the national security adviser of that time confidentially studied the Chinese penetration into Indian economy. The conclusions were startling:

1. China is well in the position of pricing its products 40 per less than that in India. More importantly, India has comparatively very limited number of products in global trade.

2. In 2011, China’s share in telecom imports by India was 62 per cent. Today it could be above 75 per cent, with fast growth of 3G and 4G networks.

3. China is the world’s largest bulk drug-manufacturer and India is 100 per cent dependent on China for its pharmaceutical (Bulk and API) supplies.

4. And, most importantly, China accounted for 26 per cent of India’s manufacturing GDP as per NSA’s study in 2011. NSA study had projected China’s share may go up to 75 per cent in next five years. This estimate has proven accurate largely. World markets have capitulated to the fact that whatever China would buy would become pricey and what it would sell would become cheaper.


After the rise of China, nations have started focusing on their core competence and cost reduction measures to counter the invasion of Made in China stuff. India, too, instead of a boycott, will have to work on reducing the cost of production, focus on technique and promotion of smaller units, for alternatives to low-cost imports from China. As far as high tech imports are concerned, India can play its market card in a more astute manner, while adjusting to the realities of global trade. Back to the China-Pakistan liaison, from where the crackers began bursting.

The international security scenario has significantly altered after China assumed the status of the world’s second-largest economy. China’s strategic influence emanates from its economic power. It has invested about $46 billion in the China-Pak-Economic-Corridor, which is equivalent to 20 per cent of Pakistan’s GDP.

Patriotic emotional outbursts are welcome, but India will have to build its economic muscle, because in today’s world, cargo ships carry the flag of strategic power, not the battle ships.



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Besides what has been mentioned in this article, I find that many indians buy those products which are not officially sold there. For example, DJI drones. Indian army bought a lot anyway, though DJI has not opened any official shop or online channel to indian market.....


@Jlaw @terranMarine @grey boy 2 @Dungeness @eldarlmari et al



I agree. Without alternative arrangement, one can not but an expensive item in market rather than cheaper item, just because this is a Chines product. Blind patriotism never works. But again, there is nothing wrong in creating awareness among the masses.
 
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I agree. Without alternative arrangement, one can not but an expensive item in market rather than cheaper item, just because this is a Chines product. Blind patriotism never works. But again, there is nothing wrong in creating awareness among the masses.


Even a billion dollar loss in imports will cause thousands of ppl to lose jobs. Second most of the goods other than pharma are not critical to Indian economy. They can be replaced by other sources but it will take time. Remember most of the companies in china were estlablished with know how from japan,korea or taiwan. Show them the market in India they will setup the same in India. If it is going to be less than local manufactured price then it is nothing but subsidy , chinese filling Indian coffers which we should welcome.

they will buy expensive US components from thousand of miles far at 40% increased cost. after all patriotism is enough to run the country.
Not US but korea,japan , taiwan,malaysia,indonesia...etc
 
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Even a billion dollar loss in imports will cause thousands of ppl to lose jobs. Second most of the goods other than pharma are not critical to Indian economy. They can be replaced by other sources but it will take time. Remember most of the companies in china were estlablished with know how from japan,korea or taiwan. Show them the market in India they will setup the same in India. If it is going to be less than local manufactured price then it is nothing but subsidy , chinese filling Indian coffers which we should welcome.


Not US but korea,japan , taiwan,malaysia,indonesia...etc

Calm down...As i told in my earlier post, blind patriotism never works well in any economics. We import Chines goods because they are the best alternative to provide products to our huge population. So for us, it is not an option rather compulsion. In order to really compete with China, boycotting the product will not help, working on our strneghts which is knowledge based economy will work out. We can never be a manufacturing powerhouse till democracy is in place in country like India. It is a simple fact, in China, their Gov can force people to work on certain amount which least among the world. This is not possible in India...
 
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It is a simple fact, in China, their Gov can force people to work on certain amount which least among the world. This is not possible in India...

The salary of poor Chinese workers who are forced to work with least salary among the world in your big mouth is much higher than our decent inida friends who are enjoying the democracy .
 
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Are you telling me india people have much higher salary than C hinese?

And who the hell tell you china gov force our people to work with least salary?

Or you just assume it?


Ignore their stupidity.

I just know, their so-called middle class cannot even have a proper phone which is considered "middle-end" in China.
Their annual shipments of smart phones are similar to our one quarter's shipments. And the average selling price is shockingly low....Well, it is understandable because their middle class salary is shocking low.
Maybe it's time for them to use their PPP money to buy a decent smart phone.

For a low-price Redmi for them, if they use non-PPP money, many of them will have to use their entire monthly salary!

What? One Plus 3 is considered a "premium smart phone"???



“When is the Mi Mix Coming to India?” Xiaomi’s High-End Blues in India


It’s now official that Xiaomi isn’t bringing the newly announced Mi Note 2 and Mi Mix to India. The smartphones were launched amidst lots of fanfare in China yesterday, and the expectations of India launch gained momentum as Xiaomi took quite a few Indian journalists and bloggers to the launch event in Beijing.

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Unfortunately, the Indian fans would have to deal with the disappointment of yet another cool product from Xiaomi which won’t see the light in India.

But then, Xiaomi’s strategy has been quite clear. The company never launched the Mi Note or the Mi Note Pro in India, although they did launch the Mi 3, Mi 4 and the Mi 5. While the Mi 3 and Mi 4 were launched at the fag end of their sale cycle, the Mi 5 was launched just weeks after the global launch. That probably peaked the expectations of Indian fans that Xiaomi is ready to launch other high-profile devices like the Mi 5s and Mi Note 2 in India.

But the truth is, the premium smartphone market in India is extremely thin.

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As per Gartner, the Average Selling Price (ASP) of smartphones in India is $70 and smartphones under $120 contribute around 50% of overall smartphone sales here. Now consider the pricing of the new smartphones launched in China. The Mi Note 2 starts selling at $413 and goes all the way to $516 for the high-end variant. The Mi Mix starts at $516 and goes till $590 for the high-end variant. Lastly, the Mi 5s is priced at $295 for the base variant and goes all the way to $385 for the high-end Mi 5s Plus.

Someone like Xiaomi who operates on crazy thin margins would need real high volumes in sales to justify launching new products in new markets. Of course, the Indian economy is improving and smartphone market is booming, but the truth is, it’s still nowhere close to China. The biggest success for Xiaomi in India has been the Redmi Note 3 which retails for Rs 11,999 or $180.Compare that with the sales of Mi 5 in India. Although Xiaomi hasn’t disclosed how many units of Mi 5 it has managed to sell in the country, it’s an open secret within the industry that the sales are pretty dismal not just in comparison with Redmi Note 3, but the Mi 4 as well. Of course, the price isn’t the only factor playing with the fate of Mi 5, but it’s clear that Xiaomi has very little breathing space in the $300+ segment in India, with its nemesis, OnePlus 3 and others like the Lenovo Z2 Plus breathing down its neck. They still can’t completely ignore the higher mid-range market in India for branding and other reasons, so expect them to release at least one premium smartphone a year.

Someone like OnePlus is beautifully and successfully transitioning from a value player to a premium value player, and that’s where I think Xiaomi has failed, at least here in India. Considering that they’re facing the heat in their home country too, the company probably can’t afford to go bullish on newer terrains like India by launching too many products.

For Xiaomi to make any significant impact, they need to price the new smartphones even more competitively than they do in China, which simply doesn’t make business sense for the company. We have reached out to Xiaomi India for a comment and will update this post if and when we hear back from them.


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Boycott to your hearts content.

Firecrackers sold to India for Diwali doesnt even cross the 1 million dollar mark (as per the article) so a boycott by the 1% of Indians who would adhere to such a preposterous idea is as negligible as a bucket of sand in the Ganges.

The common Man in India doesnt care, there is family to look after, bills to pay and land to farm.
Probably it's time for RSSers to boycott "immigration to Australia".
Sikh bus driver (i'm not sure if they RSSers consider him as their fellow compatriot) was burnt alive....
 
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I am sorry, what pc or cellphone are you using to play pdf ?

And you are the guy who needs to grow up.

You guys keep nagging us .
It is YOU who make our trade. unbalanced.

For. god's. sake, just tell me what you have. ,which. we do not have, we. will import,okay?

Just. shut. your big. mouth you. are really. talking me to dead.

Cheap talking is their mentality...
They know the reality, but simply refuse to accept it in their talking.

Anyway, those Chinese companies who have little presence in China are doing well abroad.

One Plus? Have you ever seen someone around you using it?
Lenovo? Seriously? Their phones are usually for free in China when you sign a $5 per month contract.

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