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Dictatorships Vs Democracy... Your Thoughts?

Too much evidence regarding IQ, body type, climate, weather, geography etc...That said I believe a country like India can make it to Scandanavian level if it performed ruthless eugenics in a timespan of 35 years...A country like Pakistan would achieve the same in 25 to 30 years

I think other variables matter more when it comes to democracy vs dictatorship. Those factors you listed only really play a part when it comes to national efficacy, and are secondary to the system itself.
 
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I think other variables matter more when it comes to democracy vs dictatorship. Those factors you listed only really play a part when it comes to national efficacy, and are secondary to the system itself.

Human resources is everything....Scandanavia does perfectly well in democracy.....China has been doing relatively well in autocracy....while India just lurches through existence inspite of democracy...African states are faltering inspite of autocracy...first get the building blocks right, then everything else...how about issuing permits to couples for new births? based on their or their parents' resources...every child should be planned...unplanned children should mean severe consequences...that would be very light eugenics
 
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Democracy is the sheep's clothing that the wolf of neo capitalism hides under.

We need to rid ourselves of it, square pegs don't fit in round holes.

For Muslim countries the only viable solution is a sharia based authoritarian form of government with independent checks and balances against the appointed leaders.
 
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How dictatorial is a Dictatorships and how democratic is a Democracy? Every country has its own version of governing system, don't lump them together as if there are just two.
 
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Human resources is everything....Scandanavia does perfectly well in democracy.....China has been doing relatively well in autocracy....while India just lurches through existence inspite of democracy...African states are faltering inspite of autocracy...first get the building blocks right, then everything else

I think that relates more to education than general intelligence. Again, stupid people will screw up no matter what system they use, so the superiority of a system itself would boil down to other factors.
 
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Performance Based Democracy with minimum Babucracy..run on A.I. backed RulesEngine ... @Sine Nomine
Yes and it being run on pure corporate rules+profit and loss model when it comes to bureaucracy rather than leach model we follow i.e Govt servants binded to job without their output.

Too much evidence regarding IQ, body type, climate, weather, geography etc...That said I believe a country like India can make it to Scandanavian level if it performed ruthless eugenics in a timespan of 35 years...A country like Pakistan would achieve the same in 25 to 30 years
Pakistan and Bharat can only pull this feat,if kids are seprated at the time of birth,kept seprate and
Indoctrined for nation building.Otherwise no chance.
 
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Yes and it being run on pure corporate rules+profit and loss model when it comes to bureaucracy rather than leach model we follow i.e a Govt servants binded to job without their output.


Absolutely!!!

And NO life long employment... only performace based employment and promotion... and Babucracy is required to take unapid leave every five years for two years to work in private sector as well...

The size of the Governments in Pakistan is unsustainable... and then there is Pensions Bomb that will keep sucking the lifeblood out of the future generations...

Restructuring from ground up... there is still time..
 
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and then there is Pensions Bomb that will keep sucking the lifeblood out of the future generations...
simple way around it. increase the salaries, and make it compulsory for employees to invest in privately managed pension funds. dissolve govt based pension fund right away at the same time.

there are people working in private jobs, with no pension whatsoever, but they earn enough to invest in other things plus savings funds.

on topic: for Pakistan, a mixed system like that of Iran will be best. where a set of candidates is vetted first by a council, and then allowed to contest the elections. also, it should be easier to hold all of the people accountable, from politicians (presidents and PMs included) to babus, from judges to generals.
 
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Absolutely!!!

And NO life long employment... only performace based employment and promotion... and Babucracy is required to take unapid leave every five years for two years to work in private sector as well...

The size of the Governments in Pakistan is unsustainable... and then there is Pensions Bomb that will keep sucking the lifeblood out of the future generations...

Restructuring from ground up... there is still time..
Nodoubt about it,Pension model of Pakistan is unsustainable,we should have contract based system for jobs (in which an A.I designed for every org monitors performance of servants) barring few concerned with national security.
  • Two year contract and if one wants to leave,three months pay only and job gone.
  • One year and you can be member of provident fund.
  • Ten years into contract and you are liable to get free medical for youself and free education for kids.
  • Fifteen years and you would get free medical care for your parents and family and become paid member of Govt housing.
  • Twenty years into service and Govt would help you in time of need i.e marriages of your childrens,house building etc.
  • Life long service to the state till 60 years,you are entitled to claim life long utility allowance adjustable with inflation for yourself and your under eighteen childrens(Female child till marriage) OR commutement.
 
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Unless you're talking about a direct democracy, the majority of democratic systems are fundamentally aristocratic and limited to the hands of a few. But these systems didn't 'become' like that, they were designed to be exactly as much -- e.g., the lobbying laws that allow the elite to shape laws to their favour. That wealth is always limited to only a few, though that few may arise from different factors (e.g., lineage/old money or Steve Jobs-types).

Some regress even further into an oligarchic rule (e.g., in Pakistan), but that's when you have bad design + bad people. I mean, they are democratic in as far as just following the technical processes (elections, legislation, etc), but otherwise, they're oligarchs.

However, unless the US, UK, Germany, France, etc, are shook to the core by an event (e.g., a world war, total economic collapse, etc), they will not regress into oligarchies. They will stay as they are and maintain the course, albeit with shifts between liberal and illiberal regimes.

Realistically, the people are usually a non-factor in rule, even in democracies. We elect trustees who will decide on our behalf, but these trustees seldom consult us, much less obey us. They'll tow the party line in most cases, or when given the opportunity, go with their own opinion.

What matters for the people is (1) the ability to remove a despotic or incompetent regime and (2) the ability to hold the ones above them accountable easily and without retribution.

It's here where every Muslim country fails spectacularly, and you'll even see people be OK with this (e.g., on this very forum) not understanding that they're screwing themselves.

However, for (1) and (2) the US, EU, etc do OK.

What are your thoughts on Constitutional Monarchies?

Democracy is the sheep's clothing that the wolf of neo capitalism hides under.

We need to rid ourselves of it, square pegs don't fit in round holes.

For Muslim countries the only viable solution is a sharia based authoritarian form of government with independent checks and balances against the appointed leaders.

I think we share the same thoughts... Only that I want a Shura/Jirga who elects a leader for a 3 year term and a new leader thereafter. The idea of 1 person leading the state and and everything centralised around that person could come crashing down upon his death, what then? Wars of succession, power struggles? At least with the Shura/Jirga, power is in their hands, and the leader they elect is only for administrative purposes as well as foreign and diplomatic calls.
 
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What are your thoughts on Constitutional Monarchies?



I think we share the same thoughts... Only that I want a Shura/Jirga who elects a leader for a 3 year term and a new leader thereafter. The idea of 1 person leading the state and and everything centralised around that person could come crashing down upon his death, what then? Wars of succession, power struggles? At least with the Shura/Jirga, power is in their hands, and the leader they elect is only for administrative purposes as well as foreign and diplomatic calls.

What do the Chinese do? I think we need to abolish the short term. A leader for 3 years will only look ahead to reelection.

We need a minimum 10 year term, or maybe a life term with a shura led re-asessment every 10 years.

When that person dies or is deselected, another suitable candidate is selected.

The candidates have to meet a certain criteria but it should be merit based, not a popularity contest. Each government including the selected leader should have set targets and failure to meet those should lead to reassessment.

We need stability in our leadership and we need it free of short term interests.
 
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What do the Chinese do? I think we need to abolish the short term. A leader for 3 years will only look ahead to reelection.

We need a minimum 10 year term, or maybe a life term with a shura led re-asessment every 10 years.

When that person dies or is deselected, another suitable candidate is selected.

The candidates have to meet a certain criteria but it should be merit based, not a popularity contest. Each government including the selected leader should have set targets and failure to meet those should lead to reassessment.

We need stability in our leadership and we need it free of short term interests.

No re-elections... No family members can assume that position thereafter... and no distant family members. The people will not be deciding the leader, it will be the Shura/Jirga made up of wise elders (not related), similar to how the first four caliphs were chosen.

The reason why I said 3 years and not 10 years is so that they don't consolidate their rule and the people don't become dependent on one personality like China and Russia, and also so that the individual doesn't end up abusing the system by having his close relatives and friends elected.

Power should reside with the Shura, and whatever disagreements they have can be overruled by Majority vote amongst themselves, the Shura should also make most of the decisions, be it appointing army personnel, governors of provinces etc. People can only be allowed into Shura by merit, and being at least 40 years of age, no family or relatives until after 10 years of death from the Shura member.

In essence the people are not to be dependent on one personality, but on the Shura, and the leader they choose is simply their appointee who just manages and directs basic affairs of the state.
 
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