Diaoyu crisis: Japan militarize & US support / PLAN: mine territorial water

[Riteon]

Please define "controlled" as to have ppl living on the island? have occasional patrols around the island?

By your defintion tibet shud belong to tibetans only as they have been living there from the beginning, buts thats not the case is it , as Tibet has been an official part of chinese dynasties.

Never controlled means Even if ancient China knew of these islands , they never officially made in into chinese territory. the first ones who had a similar history with the island is the Japanese ..

 

[Srinivas]

Please define "controlled" as to have ppl living on the island? have occasional patrols around the island?

If There are no people in that ISland then Chinese can cliam it just like they are trying to claim the arctic lands .
History is in the Japanese side .

 

[sicsheep]

By your defintion tibet shud belong to tibetans only as they have been living there from the beginning, buts thats not the case is it , as Tibet has been an official part of chinese dynasties.

Never controlled means Even if ancient China knew of these islands , they never officially made in into chinese territory. the first ones who had a similar history with the island is the Japanese ..

First, I asked you to define "controlled", so I don't know where came the metaphor about tibet?

2nd, It was officially made into Chinese territory since 1543, and Japan took it during the first Sion-Japanese war in 1895.

 

[HongWu]

This is the worrying part.
It appears more and more the CCP is loosing control over the PLA and the hawkish generals/admirals get more influence. Just like Japan prior to their entry in WWII.

Yes, you are right. China is becoming more and more like Imperial Japan. The difference is Imperial Japan never had the advantage of China's size -- during WW2 it was only 70 million people. Today just the city of Shanghai alone has 23 million!

With our population and territory size, we will do great things Imperial Japan could never do. When we crush Vietnam the world will see how similar we are to Imperial Japan indeed!



Scattered anti-Japan protests flare in China | wane.com

Factor in the element of nationalism, which is undeniably on the rise within China, and it becomes clear that the recent saber rattling by Yang Yi, PLA Major-General Luo Yuan, and others could be the result not of the PLA pressuring the CCP, but rather of militarists recognizing that the civilian leadership has created an environment that is more permissible for such expressions.

To come back to an earlier point, the differences are crucial, as they could very well determine the extent of the PLA’s role in formulating Chinese foreign policy. If, as Mattis and others argue, the question is how much influence the PLA has on the Politburo, then we can safely expect that militarism will remain a fringe factor in an otherwise carefully balanced foreign policy. However, if the key point isn’t PLA influence, but rather growing willingness among the civilian leadership to rely on the PLA to achieved its political objectives, then the checks on militarism disappear, and suddenly augmentations on Sansha, to use one example, become much more alarming than would otherwise be the case.

The same holds true for China’s recent assertiveness in its disputes with Japan over the Diaoyutai/Senkaku islands in the East China Sea and other claimants in the South China Sea. If Beijing’s recent behavior is the result of pressure from the PLA, at some point the civilian leadership, aware of the political costs, will stand back and allow the situation to calm down. If, however, China’s recent behavior is the result of an increasingly militaristic civilian leadership, then the chances that it will back off become smaller, unless the PLA, much as Powell did in the 1990s, decides that adventurism isn’t worth the risk and attempts to stymie the civilians.

Should that be the case, then Mattis’ question as to whether “China’s civilian leaders have the intellectual experience or the ability to draw on military expertise independent of the PLA to manage the PLA’s increasing competence and influence,” becomes doubly important, especially as the CCP is about to undergo a power transition. Unlike his predecessors Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao, Xi Jinping, Hu’s likely successor, actually has a close relationship with the PLA and worked in its upper echelons for three years, which could make him more comfortable with the military, if not more inclined to call upon it to fix political problems.

Attack on envoy

The latest assault on the official vehicle of Japan's ambassador to China demonstrates that the Chinese public's hostility toward Japan, set off by recent territorial disputes over the Senkaku Islands, is spiraling out of control in Beijing.

Two cars forced Ambassador Uichiro Niwa's official vehicle to a halt on a Beijing street on Aug. 27. A man who exited one of the cars snatched a Japanese national flag from the front of Niwa's vehicle. The ambassador was not injured.

That incident followed mass anti-Japanese demonstrations that raged through China on Aug. 26 for the second consecutive Sunday. The first wave of protests on Aug. 19 spread to more than 20 Chinese cities, although the protesters turned into an angry mob only in limited instances, including in Shenzhen, Guangdong province.

A senior official of the Chinese Communist Party's department in charge of relations with Japan said there has been mounting public impatience in China since Tokyo Governor Shintaro Ishihara in April released a plan to purchase three of the Senkaku Islands, in which "Japan is repeating its provocations." Public awareness of the issue of sovereignty over the Senkakus has since risen dramatically.

The PLA Daily, the organ of the Chinese military, on Aug. 26 printed a report on a large-scale military drill by the Nanjing Military Region on Aug. 10 that presupposed landing on an island where enemy forces are deployed.

The Global Times, a nationalist-leaning newspaper on global affairs that influences public opinion, on Aug. 27 published an editorial titled: "Diaoyu Slowly Drifting into the Crosshairs," in which it warned Japan would face the Chinese military if it were to dispatch its Self-Defense Forces to the Senkaku Islands.

In addition, Sina Weibo, the leading "weibo" microblogging service in China that has hundreds of millions of users, has continued emphasizing China's position on the Senkaku sovereignty issue. A commentator who follows the Chinese military, known for his nationalist opinions, was invited to a citizens' lecture in Beijing, where both young and old attendees supported his argument that Ryukyu (Okinawa) is part of China's territory.

Beijing hard pressed to contain anti-Japanese public sentiment - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun

 

[Riteon]

First, I asked you to define "controlled", so I don't know where came the metaphor about tibet?

2nd, It was officially made into Chinese territory since 1543, and Japan took it during the first Sion-Japanese war in 1895.

Officially in 1543 ?? What prrof do you have.......all that happened is that Senkokku islands have been mentioned in both Chinese and japanese historial manuscripts.......1534 the imperial visits manuscript of china..............And just coz its mentioned does not make it yours !!

The more legitimate claim is of japan....japanese have stayed there, started industry there, has been patrolling that place for a nealry a century and officiallky claimed it !!

The only claim china has ist hat ...Post WW2 treaty tells them to return all conquered places without exceptions....This was never one of it !!!