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By Altaf Hussain Published: September 27, 2013

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Pakistan came into being following a historic struggle of the Muslims of the subcontinent. Addressing the newly-found nation, the father of the nation, Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, had said that “You may belong to any religion or caste or creed — that has nothing to do with the business of the State”. It is unfortunate that the ideals of the Quaid-e-Azam were quickly brushed aside soon after his death and a group of vested interests took control of power. This group brazenly used religion to perpetuate its hold on power.

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The Afghan war pushed the country into the raging fire of war in the late 70s. The fire continues to burn with intensity even today as people of Pakistan across its length and breadth are falling prey. There are no visible signs that the country could be pulled off from this fire and put on the path of progress and prosperity. Extremism is beginning to stifle the spirit of Pakistan and the dreams of the founding fathers are turning into nightmares.

Thousands of lives have been lost in bomb blasts and suicide attacks. This includes officers and men of country’s armed forces and paramilitary forces as well as thousands of innocent civilians. Despite this, a recently held All Parties Conference (APC) gave the government the mandate to hold talks with these extremists and militants. The main spirit behind this mandate was to give peace a chance. The militants, however, continue to strike relentlessly. A serving major general of the army was martyred in an IED blast after the offer of dialogue to the Taliban. Militants spurned the offer by carrying out two suicide blasts in a church in Peshawar killing scores of people, including women and children. They have made it clear that they would continue to strike in future as well.

These recent acts of terrorism have provoked a huge wave of anger in the country and some quarters are demanding that the dialogue offer with the Taliban should be withdrawn forthwith. In response to this anger, some pro-Taliban parties are arguing that these recent attacks were carried out by some fringe groups and not the Taliban. They are also claiming that there are nearly 25 groups within the Taliban and some of them are still not in favour of talks, thus the possibility of their involvement. This argument throws the whole question of talks into deep complication: if the Taliban is not a unified body and lacks the ability to control other militant groups, would it be fruitful to talk to it? Should we talk to the Taliban or these fringe yet powerful groups or both?
There are some politicians in the country who maintain that the issue can be resolved by holding dialogues and some even suggest that the militants should be allowed to open an office for this purpose, thereby recognising them as a legitimate stakeholder.

This is a dangerous idea. A country has its own well-defined stakeholders: armed forces, the police, bureaucracy, economists, major political parties, ethnic and religious groups, etc. These stakeholders play positive and constructive roles in the process of nation-building, thereby strengthening the country. On the other hand, there are elements that work for weakening the country by engaging in destructive activities. It is these non-stakeholders who are commonly termed anti-state actors or anti-state elements.

Those who claim to be the most patriotic people in Pakistan but consider these non-state actors as the integral part of the state seek to legitimise what is patently illegitimate. We all want peace in the country and we all want to see the country emerging as a modern democracy among the international community. We all recognise the importance of holding dialogues for resolving issues but I would like to put a question to leaders, scholars and academicians. Dialogue but with whom?

Published in The Express Tribune, September 28th, 2013.
 
Why didn't MQM oppose to dialogue in APC..??? I think they should ...............
 
Not sure what he intends to highlight be stating the quoted part here? If trying to nail some specific politicians by highlighting the religion part, then probably he needs to lookup the meaning of "cast and Creed" and then bang his head in the nearest wall.

Why didn't MQM oppose to dialogue in PC..??? I think they should ............... Pakistan came into being following a historic struggle of the Muslims of the subcontinent. Addressing the newly-found nation, the father of the nation, Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, had said that “You may belong to any religion or caste or creed — that has nothing to do with the business of the State”. It is unfortunate that the ideals of the Quaid-e-Azam were quickly brushed aside soon after his death and a group of vested interests took control of power. This group brazenly used religion to perpetuate its hold on power.
 
Good that he utilized his free time in london for some article writing, now we know he has other job besides Parde mein rahne parda na uthao. .......
 
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Not sure what he intends to highlight be stating the quoted part here? If trying to nail some specific politicians by highlighting the religion part, then probably he needs to lookup the meaning of "cast and Creed" and then bang his head in the nearest wall.

yeah thats why its called mutehda and not mohajir
 
Not sure what he intends to highlight be stating the quoted part here? If trying to nail some specific politicians by highlighting the religion part, then probably he needs to lookup the meaning of "cast and Creed" and then bang his head in the nearest wall.

My post is only this 'Why didn't MQM oppose to dialogue in PC..??? I think they should ...............'
 
atleast not with NAMALOM AFRAD
 
atleast not with NAMALOM AFRAD

Offcourse these are very much MALOOM AFRAD :P

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MQM like parties are good for nothing, they act different inside APC and then act completely opposite outside APC. Why can't they make a firm decision and then stick with it? This is clearly evident with every MQM policy, their joining and quitting in federal govt in past 5 years and their Governor Ishrat Ibad's recent resignation are prime examples..
 
Not sure what he intends to highlight be stating the quoted part here? If trying to nail some specific politicians by highlighting the religion part, then probably he needs to lookup the meaning of "cast and Creed" and then bang his head in the nearest wall.

religion cast or creed has nothing to with the business of state in a nutshell this means separate religion from state affairs
 
MQM like parties are good for nothing, they act different inside APC and then act completely opposite outside APC. Why can't they make a firm decision and then stick with it? This is clearly evident with every MQM policy, their joining and quitting in federal govt in past 5 years and their Governor Ishrat Ibad's recent resignation are prime examples..

LOL a guy who's one leader says to his supreme leader that his thoughts don't reflect party policy

PTI makes a mockery every now and then, you should be the last person to tell others that they aren't good for nothing

MQM has a clear stance on APC, talk to taliban under our own terms and not on their terms
 
MQM like parties are good for nothing, they act different inside APC and then act completely opposite outside APC. Why can't they make a firm decision and then stick with it? This is clearly evident with every MQM policy, their joining and quitting in federal govt in past 5 years and their Governor Ishrat Ibad's recent resignation are prime examples..

Just recently PTI distanced itslelf from Imran khans comments they said its his personal opinion , Look at PTI cracks are appearing every where .. The nation has started to Imran khan as the new villain ... As for MQM a party with small mandate less than 10% can do little to change things , All they can do is raise concerns protest and heard.
 
I'm going to face some heat for this but I think that if the MQM has a bit more sane, has democratic leadership (bye bye crazy Altaf Bahi), leaves the armed groups and truly focus on non-ethnic politics then they are the best the Pakistani left has to offer and would enjoy support from left wingers all across Pakistan.

Just recently PTI distanced itslelf from Imran khans comments they said its his personal opinion , Look at PTI cracks are appearing every where .. The nation has started to Imran khan as the new villain ... As for MQM a party with small mandate less than 10% can do little to change things , All they can do is raise concerns protest and heard.

All parties survive with mandates PTI is going against the people's opinion on the TTP issue.
 
LOL a guy who's one leader says to his supreme leader that his thoughts don't reflect party policy

PTI makes a mockery every now and then, you should be the last person to tell others that they aren't good for nothing

MQM has a clear stance on APC, talk to taliban under our own terms and not on their terms

PTI is a democratic party, where anyone can differ from Party Leader's opinion and can have or express his own views even if they contradict with party policy or leader's opinions. And everyone in PTI can do this without getting afraid about Bori :lol:

Recent remarks of Asad Umer is prime example of this. We know what happens in other parties (MQM, PPP, PMLN, ANP etc) when someone refuses to bow down to party leader.. I don't have to go deep into it..? :D



Just recently PTI distanced itslelf from Imran khans comments they said its his personal opinion , Look at PTI cracks are appearing every where .. The nation has started to Imran khan as the new villain ... As for MQM a party with small mandate less than 10% can do little to change things , All they can do is raise concerns protest and heard.


About first part of your post, I've already replied above. About MQM, even if its a small party with less than 10% mandate, does it allow them to do bally dance on every issue jumping around like a kangaroo on every side? Even if they want to raise their concerns, they should stick to one thing, right now they are at everyone's side. At one moment, they are at one side and at right next moment you may find them on other side..
 
PTI is a democratic party, where anyone can differ from Party Leader's opinion and can have or express his own views even if they contradict with party policy or leader's opinions. And everyone in PTI can do this without getting afraid about Bori :lol:

Recent remarks of Asad Umer is prime example of this. We know what happens in other parties (MQM, PPP, PMLN, ANP etc) when someone refuses to bow down to party leader.. I don't have to go deep into it..? :D

what democratic party?, it looks like imran and co sold party tickets for millions of rupees, to fake degree guys, if PTI was democratic why would it sell seats?

the democracy in party doesnt mean that the two leaders of same party contradict each other at the same time, especially a junior guy contradicting his superior guy :lol:, there is clearly lack of decipline evident, and clearly there are rifts in the party, and esp a junior member contradicting his superior guy means that there is chaos in the party

the party stance should be not based on some guy's personal wishes but it should be a collective stance which shows that everybody in PTI want to implement their own views

it has got nothing to do being more or less democratic

any stance should be taken after having discussion within the party but it seems that PTI guys don't even have agreement on one simple agenda on one point, how can they even run one party?
 
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