Dialogue, but with whom? artice by Altaf Hussain

[W.11]

About first part of your post, I've already replied above. About MQM, even if its a small party with less than 10% mandate, does it allow them to do bally dance on every issue jumping around like a kangaroo on every side? Even if they want to raise their concerns, they should stick to one thing, right now they are at everyone's side. At one moment, they are at one side and at right next moment you may find them on other side..

please tell me on which side MQM is in when it says that dialogues can happen based on the conditions set by the state and not talibans?

the APC can't succeed without all the parties agreeing on minimum one point agenda

the agenda is to dialogue and thats how the majority parties have decided to stick on even PPP

so MQM is just going with the flow

since the peace deals can't succeed now as it has miserably failed MQM is sticking to its agenda?


at least MQM is not attending parties to save asian elephants when they are called in the AOCs?

everybody will say that MQM is the stuck bone in one's throat if it completely ignores the real agenda of the APCs

 

[Jazzbot]

what democratic party?, it looks like imran and co sold party tickets for millions of rupees, to fake degree guys, if PTI was democratic why would it sell seats?

the democracy in party doesnt mean that the two leaders of same party contradict each other at the same time, especially a junior guy contradicting his superior guy , there is clearly lack of decipline evident, and clearly there are rifts in the party, and esp a junior member contradicting his superior guy means that there is chaos in the party

the party stance should be not based on some guy's personal wishes but it should be a collective stance which shows that everybody in PTI want to implement their own views

it has got nothing to do being more or less democratic

any stance should be taken after having discussion within the party but it seems that PTI guys don't even have agreement on one simple agenda on one point, how can they even run one party?

Well Asad Umer is senior party member and CEC representative and there isn't any junior or senior in top level leadership. Going by this analogy, everyone in a party are junior to Party Leader so they shouldn't be allowed to have their own opinion if it differs with that of party leader's?

Like I said before, there are several examples where people in PTI were able to have their own personal opinions, this has nothing to do with discipline or collective stance of a party. You won't understand this because you know only one thing i.e. bow down to your party leader's orders, or else wait for your body bag..

 

[pak-marine]

PTI is a democratic party, where anyone can differ from Party Leader's opinion and can have or express his own views even if they contradict with party policy or leader's opinions. And everyone in PTI can do this without getting afraid about Bori

Recent remarks of Asad Umer is prime example of this. We know what happens in other parties (MQM, PPP, PMLN, ANP etc) when someone refuses to bow down to party leader.. I don't have to go deep into it..?






About first part of your post, I've already replied above. About MQM, even if its a small party with less than 10% mandate, does it allow them to do bally dance on every issue jumping around like a kangaroo on every side? Even if they want to raise their concerns, they should stick to one thing, right now they are at everyone's side. At one moment, they are at one side and at right next moment you may find them on other side..

PTI's The leader is steering the boat in other direction and party on the other direction ... this means further disintegration and chaos in the coming days .. its serious business and is directly connected with peoples lives unlike what IK thinks "" a cricket tournament"" .. As for MQM their stance is clear .. even at one point they wanted to conduct referendum to sort this menace once in for all but were told by security agencies to cancel it since there were security threats. MQM has been very vocal against Taliban , they hate these med-evil barbarians its an open secret. Your effort to bring and them into this equation and try twisting facts will result in nothing but failure

 

[Jazzbot]

please tell me on which side MQM is in when it says that dialogues can happen based on the conditions set by the state and not talibans?

the APC can't succeed without all the parties agreeing on minimum one point agenda

the agenda is to dialogue and thats how the majority parties have decided to stick on even PPP

so MQM is just going with the flow

since the peace deals can't succeed now as it has miserably failed MQM is sticking to its agenda?


at least MQM is not attending parties to save asian elephants when they are called in the AOCs?

everybody will say that MQM is the stuck bone in one's throat if it completely ignores the real agenda of the APCs

hahahaaa, when PTI says IK's opinion about TTP office is his personal opinion and has nothing to do with party policy then its disciplinary thing and when it comes to MQM, it just went with the flow of APC..

PTI's The leader is steering the boat in other direction and party on the other direction ... this means further disintegration and chaos in the coming days .. its serious business and is directly connected with peoples lives unlike what IK thinks "" a cricket tournament"" .. As for MQM their stance is clear .. even at one point they wanted to conduct referendum to sort this menace once in for all but were told by security agencies to cancel it since there were security threats. MQM has been very vocal against Taliban , they hate these med-evil barbarians its an open secret. Your effort to bring and them into this equation and try twisting facts will result in nothing but failure

MQM was going to conduct referendum about TTP...

MQM is very vocal against TTP...

MQM hates these med-evil barbarians..

MQM's hatred towards TTP is an open secret....




And yet at the time of APC, MQM went with the flow of APC and voted for peace talks just because everyone was going for that...?

 

[Saleem]

a thousand and one curses on this fat toad and his criminal organization

 

[W.11]

Well Asad Umer is senior party member and CEC representative and there isn't any junior or senior in top level leadership. Going by this analogy, everyone in a party are junior to Party Leader so they shouldn't be allowed to have their own opinion if it differs with that of party leader's?

Like I said before, there are several examples where people in PTI were able to have their own personal opinions, this has nothing to do with discipline or collective stance of a party. You won't understand this because you know only one thing i.e. bow down to your party leader's orders, or else wait for your body bag..

right OK, so where was he during the chairman PTI nomination

you guys are really a load of crap, imran is the chairman and thus he is clearly the senior most guy in the PTI

and every organisation forget party has one leader not many leaders, just like there is only one captain of the ship, but others have their say too, if he is the captain then he must be leading all his crew and moving the ship, he must be at the steering wheel, but if the crew doen't agree with the captain they can all take him down and choose the second in command

 

[Jazzbot]

right OK, so where was he during the chairman PTI nomination

you guys are really a load of crap, imran is the chairman and thus he is clearly the senior most guy in the PTI

and every organisation forget party has one leader not many leaders, just like there is only one captain of the ship, but others have their say too, if he is the captain then he must be leading all his crew and moving the ship, but if the crew doen't agree with the captain they can all take him down and choose the second in command

You are either not getting me or are deliberately trying to act naive.. Things don't work like other parties inside PTI, you can differ with your party leader on policy matters and are free to express your own opinion while staying safe and sound inside the party. IK is party chairman, not king like bhutto, zardari or sharif..

 

[W.11]

hahahaaa, when PTI says IK's opinion about TTP office is his personal opinion and has nothing to do with party policy then its disciplinary thing and when it comes to MQM, it just went with the flow of APC..

you are really confused just like your leader man!!

You are either not getting me or are deliberately trying to act naive.. Things don't work like other parties inside PTI, you can differ with your party leader on policy matters and are free to express your own opinion while staying safe and sound inside the party. IK is party chairman, not king like bhutto, zardari or sharif..

yup seems like PTI is unlike any other party in the entire world

you are not really getting my point, yes they may have disagreements, but coming to the media and issue statements like these only shows internal rifts

any disagreements are solved first, and not two separate statements are issued in the media

if some one disagrees with imran, he should contact him first and give his view point

its not logical to give a statement refuting his own senior leadership especially completely rubbishing his party leader statement by saying that its his personal opinion

what ever statements coming out of imran will be taken as an official party stance

 

[Jazzbot]

you are really confused just like your leader man!!

the agenda is to dialogue and thats how the majority parties have decided to stick on even PPP

so MQM is just going with the flow

Who's confused here, is in front of everyone..

yup seems like PTI is unlike any other party in the entire world

If your world consists of MQM, PMLN and PPP only then yes ofcourse..

 

[pak-marine]

MQM was going to conduct referendum about TTP...

MQM is very vocal against TTP...

MQM hates these med-evil barbarians..

MQM's hatred towards TTP is an open secret....


And yet at the time of APC, MQM went with the flow of APC and voted for peace talks just because everyone was going for that...?

Actions speak louder than words , i think the effort was to be on one platform .. its giving respect especially to the party who holds the mandate for the first time in KPK (PTI) they were vocal .. many APC's failed one more try

 

[W.11]

Who's confused here, is in front of everyone..



If your world consists of MQM, PMLN and PPP only then yes ofcourse..

I'm really astonished at your bewilderment as if i had spoken some foreign language

seriously dude, i never thought PTI guys were so deeply confused

as i earlier said that no APC can succeed without agreement on one point agenda(the opposition and govt has to be on the same page here)

MQM is the big stake holder and it has to be on the majority side

and the agenda is itself clear which is dialogues with the talibans

i dont understand your confusion

you guys were the first who never even gave importance to APCs and considered it waste of time?

you should instead give credit to MQM that instead of usual point scoring like PTI and PMLN did to the APC in the last government, MQM is giving them chance to solve the issues based on their own agendas?

 

[Patriots]

All parties survive with mandates PTI is going against the people's opinion on the TTP issue.

The most suffering province due to TTP is the KPK ... PTI has got mandate from KPK ... Then how could have possible that rest of parties may ignore to PTI's stance & PMLN's first choice ... I mean dialogue ... War damages more than talk ... If in the result of war that APC would have been approved war strategy then what do you think ... IK wouldn't have been cried that we are suffering but bigot parties had disapproved our stance ... So all parties despite their reservations had approved peace talks that if they can bring peace then must try ... But in declaration 2 point must have highlight:

1) TTP must be disarmed .....
2) TTP must have accept constitution .....

 

[W.11]

The most suffering province due to TTP is the KPK ... PTI has got mandate from KPK ... Then how could have possible that rest of parties may ignore to PTI's stance & PMLN's first choice ... I mean dialogue ... War damages more than talk ... If in the result of war that APC would have been approved war strategy then what do you think ... IK wouldn't have been cried that we are suffering but bigot parties had disapproved our stance ... So all parties despite their reservations had approved peace talks that if they can bring peace then must try ... But in declaration 2 point must have highlight:

1) TTP must be disarmed .....
2) TTP must have accept constitution .....

MQM has already showed them their conditions well documented in the form of MQM's
counter terrorism policy

they have set the conditions so that the government and not the taliban have the upper hand

 

[Thorough Pro]

Also "Cast and Creed" if you know what they mean.

religion cast or creed has nothing to with the business of state in a nutshell this means separate religion from state affairs