Dhaka wants to restore 1972 constitution

[leonblack08]

This is realistic view and I have provided example of so called " give and take" relation. You want more "give and take" look at the trade indian 4000 million export vs BD 300 million. Bangladesh can not even sell battery.

Get off your sugar coating we can smell the stink from miles away....

Mr.idune,

To get this gap closer,you will have to have good diplomatic relation with India.
Do you think any other way possible??

 

[idune]

Agree 100%.

India covers us from all sides.They don't even have to fight us.Just put an economic blockade and we are doomed,because we are not self sufficient.They nearly created a famine last year by stopping export of rice.Off course some members here does not know and feel how it was to buy rice at TK.40 per Kg. and standing at the long queue at BDR shops.

Our relation with India should be clearly business.This will benefit both nations.

That’s the submissive attitude only have place with thought of shame, disgrace and ZERO self respect. We know which kind of boxed mentality people propagate these types of submissive desperation. I have seen that kind of idea get promoted in one bd mil related forum.

Level of information and understanding you have is hardly worth discussion. First, last year food crisis was mostly because of world market price and untimely local market intervention by Moeen U gang. Whatever blackmailing situation indian tried to create was largely defused by import from other countries like Myanmar and Thailand and also bumper local harvest. Besides, Bangladesh can produce most of its food and whatever import needed can be easily be imported from other countries.

Second, india surrounded us, hence has to submit, is most false perception that has created by some people who sell their lip services in exchange for money from india. And there are some people who so foolishly consume it.

Fact of the matter is Bangladesh has open ocean and land boundary with Myanmar. And the fact that energy starved india is cut by Bangladesh from eastern energy source in Myanmar and in the west Pakistan cut india from central Asian/Iranian energy source. Not to mention indian NE is far away with only 20 some mile chicken neck.

Its india who can not do without Bangladesh.

 

[idune]

Mr.idune,

To get this gap closer,you will have to have good diplomatic relation with India.
Do you think any other way possible??

Diplomatic realtion is not in question here.These gaps are just example to show what indian been upto and how Awami league had duped people with suger coating.

Real question and issue is about Awami league adapting indian precribed policy that surrendering our sovereignty.

 

[leonblack08]

That’s the submissive attitude only have place with thought of shame, disgrace and ZERO self respect. We know which kind of boxed mentality people propagate these types of submissive desperation. I have seen that kind of idea get promoted in one bd mil related forum.

Level of information and understanding you have is hardly worth discussion. First, last year food crisis was mostly because of world market price and untimely local market intervention by Moeen U gang. Whatever blackmailing situation indian tried to create was largely defused by import from other countries like Myanmar and Thailand and also bumper local harvest. Besides, Bangladesh can produce most of its food and whatever import needed can be easily be imported from other countries.

Second, india surrounded us, hence has to submit, is most false perception that has created by some people who sell their lip services in exchange for money from india. And there are some people who so foolishly consume it.

Fact of the matter is Bangladesh has open ocean and land boundary with Myanmar. And the fact that energy starved india is cut by Bangladesh from eastern energy source in Myanmar and in the west Pakistan cut india from central Asian/Iranian energy source. Not to mention indian NE is far away with only 20 some mile chicken neck.

Its india who can not do without Bangladesh.

And you have all the information in the world!

well when people claim they know everything then they should be left alone.

Its india who can not do without Bangladesh.

Sorry,I can't laugh anymore.

Fact of the matter is Bangladesh has open ocean and land boundary with Myanmar. And the fact that energy starved india is cut by Bangladesh from eastern energy source in Myanmar and in the west Pakistan cut india from central Asian/Iranian energy source. Not to mention indian NE is far away with only 20 some mile chicken neck.

Open ocean won't be open if India intend to blockade us.AND this is not submissive,because you should respect everyone,especially your enemy.Those who does not are fools.Apparently its you.

I am sure Pakistani Generals does not underestimate India's capabilities.If they would have then they would not be busy to counter India's tactics.
It seems Mr.Know it all actually does not know about these things,How sad!!

Level of information and understanding you have is hardly worth discussion. First, last year food crisis was mostly because of world market price and untimely local market intervention by Moeen U gang. Whatever blackmailing situation indian tried to create was largely defused by import from other countries like Myanmar and Thailand and also bumper local harvest. Besides, Bangladesh can produce most of its food and whatever import needed can be easily be imported from other countries.

Yes we can import from Thailand,but what about the cost??You did not calculate that.
Yes Bangladesh can produce most of its food..but we are still not able.So shut up and don't introduce your logics with future predictions.

And if you think Indian VER(voluntary export restraint) was not effective at raising our food prices,then I think I should stop talking to you.You are not matured enough to understand this.

 

[idune]

Open ocean won't be open if India intend to blockade us.AND this is not submissive,because you should respect everyone,especially your enemy.Those who does not are fools.Apparently its you.

Are you suggesting india is in war with Bangladesh. Blockade does not come unless Indian starts war. Dont try to smart under false pretense.

Yes we can import from Thailand,but what about the cost??You did not calculate that.

Bangladesh also can import from Myanmar and once ongoing logitics are in place there is minimal added cost from Thailand. That added cost is much less than indian blackmailing.

And if you think Indian VER(voluntary export restraint) was not effective at raising our food prices,then I think I should stop talking to you.You are not matured enough to understand this.

It was only to make propaganda and give scare tactics and give traders excuse to raise price. In real supply situation it was not much impacted. I have business and close relation with major banks to know that. Stop professing indian agenda if you have self respect.

I think our post says about maturity and poise and ideals....

 

[leonblack08]

Are you suggesting india is in war with Bangladesh. Blockade does not come unless Indian starts war. Dont try to smart under false pretense.


Bangladesh also can import from Myanmar and once ongoing logitics are in place there is minimal added cost from Thailand. That added cost is much less than indian blackmailing.




It was only to make propaganda and give scare tactics and give traders excuse to raise price. In real supply situation it was not much impacted. I have business and close relation with major banks to know that. Stop professing indian agenda if you have self respect.

Oh yes!I don't have self respect...only you do.
Oh yes!I don't love my country..only you do.

Satisfied????Now stop blabbering.

 

[Vinod2070]

Now wait, hold on there just a min Vinod. I'm afraid I can't let you start a flame war right here, even though you obviously excel at it. Now in relevance to the topic, the protection of minorities under an Islam constitution is ensured and someone pointed it out with a relevant quote in answer to some Indians questioning that. You tried to discredit this reality about Islamic constitution protecting minorities by pulling off all this by BS about Muslim 'invaders' looting and crap and what not. I just pointed out that is not the point...and you still insist on keeping at it? Not ideal conduct in light of the high rank you have achieved on this forum, pretty primitive actually...might get you in trouble.

Besides what’s your point anyway? That Muslims are evil? Islam can do no good? Well we already know you think all that, as MBI Munshi has pointed out but the deep rooted inferiority complex aside I would request that you refrain from off topic flame...and stick to the discussion relating to the direction of the Bengali constitution. Thanks.

I think you got it a bit wrong. Someone claimed that minorities under Islam are safe in theory, I challenged that with examples from the history within India (the actual practice). No need to get so defensive.

Now obviously if someone makes a claim, people should be free to challenge the claims with facts. Something wrong with that?

 

[Al-zakir]

And you have all the information in the world!

well when people claim they know everything then they should be left alone.



Sorry,I can't laugh anymore.




Open ocean won't be open if India intend to blockade us.AND this is not submissive,because you should respect everyone,especially your enemy.Those who does not are fools.Apparently its you.

I am sure Pakistani Generals does not underestimate India's capabilities.If they would have then they would not be busy to counter India's tactics.
It seems Mr.Know it all actually does not know about these things,How sad!!



Yes we can import from Thailand,but what about the cost??You did not calculate that.
Yes Bangladesh can produce most of its food..but we are still not able.So shut up and don't introduce your logics with future predictions.

And if you think Indian VER(voluntary export restraint) was not effective at raising our food prices,then I think I should stop talking to you.You are not matured enough to understand this.

Bhai you let me down. Congratulation, you have made a lot of indian memeber happy in this forum......

 

[leonblack08]

Bhai you let me down. Congratulation, you have made a lot of indian memeber happy in this forum......

Bhai I did not let you down.

I am talking about the reality.

I am saying we can not make any country our enemy.I guess that does not mean I am doing India's DALALI.

 

[Moscow]

i think south asia has become a political hotbed,what you see and hear is not what is done,what is done is not under the control of the goverments and by whom its done are the masses big question. until the question is answered as to who controls their country is answered people will bear this hatred aimed at each other
india hates pakistan, pakistan hates india, bangladesh dosent know what to do some hate both some love both. what is wrong with the people there? one of the most cultured,educated civilizations of the world has its foundation there,some of the worlds most followed religions originate from there.why is there so much hatred.all the people are culturally so bonded why is the tolerance level for each other so low?
as a person from outside the region i am so shocked to see people in this and other thread always blaming each other and trying to find faults with each other.
why cant people in the region accept their failures ,if there is still poverty,hunger,poor health status etc etc in the region its because of the failure of its own people and not the neighbouring countries.
india blames pakistan for terrorist attacks why cant they prevent it themselves
pakistan blames india for trying to destabilize pakistan why cant pakistan prevent this rather than blaming
bangladesh previously blamed pakistan for atrocities now they are blaming india for running their country why cant they run their country without aligning with india or pakistan?

after going and studing the region in detail i have got a firm opinion about the people in south asia that they are more concerned about what is going on in the neighbouring country and their people rather than worrying about its own problem.its common to all the people there

iam sorry if you people did not like my post its just my personal opinion<i am quite famaliar with ground realities there>

thanx

 

[BanglaBhoot]

I think that there has been few capable leaders in Bangladesh who can exert our interests for the fear of the Indian opinion IN Bangladesh. It is this small element that always says we cannot do this or that because it would offend India. If leaders in Bangladesh were to say we demand our interest even if it means war then so be it.

Indians understand force and they will compromise as they know war is in no ones interest but what good is it for us saying that war is not an option.

It is time that Bangladesh stands up to India. If India closes borders we throw out all the illegal Indians working in BD. If India raises food prices we stop Indian goods entering Bangladesh. If BSF shoots at our civilians we shoot back with intent to kill. There is no gain behaving like a door mat. No one respects door mats. The AL will behave like a door mat and give away our national assets.

What Bangladesh lacks is leadership.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

We must determine as a nation what are our interests and how far are we prepared to go to protect them.

When Myanmar entered our waters many on all sides of the political divide were calling for shelling of the intruding ships. When India enters our waters most of the nation want a similar response but a tiny proportion tells us not to push India. Why this double standards?

Our national interest must be paramount that is my point.

 

[Vinod2070]

 

[Moscow]

I think that there has been few capable leaders in Bangladesh who can exert our interests for the fear of the Indian opinion IN Bangladesh. It is this small element that always says we cannot do this or that because it would offend India. If leaders in Bangladesh were to say we demand our interest even if it means war then so be it.

Indians understand force and they will compromise as they know war is in no ones interest but what good is it for us saying that war is not an option.

It is time that Bangladesh stands up to India. If India closes borders we throw out all the illegal Indians working in BD. If India raises food prices we stop Indian goods entering Bangladesh. If BSF shoots at our civilians we shoot back with intent to kill. There is no gain behaving like a door mat. No one respects door mats. The AL will behave like a door mat and give away our national assets.

What Bangladesh lacks is leadership.

just a question raised to your post sir do you really think you can match india with force without outside help?
and if you seek outside help < china,pakistan.us> it wil be the same you will again loss your soverignity.isnt it true?

why cant bangladesh be firm and force diplomatic solutions say for eg you offer indians something for exchance for other and make sure the deal is honoured by both countries,same can be done with pakistan and srilanka and always keep out from taking sides in a conflict.

if you still say that bangladesh dosent have leaders or it is impossible to do without war then i am sorry to say bangladesh will bring about its own destruction.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

bangladesh previously blamed pakistan for atrocities now they are blaming india for running their country why cant they run their country without aligning with india or pakistan?

For Bangladesh alignment should be determined on the basis of national interest alone. If no interest is served then no alignment.