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Indians are pretending to care about Bangladeshis yet BSF kills Bangladeshi farmers and cattle herders on a daily basis and Indians don't shed a tear.
BSF kills everyone who tresspasses the border - including Indians. Infact they killed two Indians trying to cross over to Bangladesh a couple of days back.

The job of the force is to ensure the border remains important - no one, whether an Indian or a Bangladeshi, a cattle herder or a smuggler is allowed to cross.

You have some weird concept - maybe you should tell your opinion to your pal US who you gladly keep taking aid from despite them killing scores of Pakistani military men like in Salala.

So what is wrong if Bangladesh surpass Pakistan in GDP per capita?I mean seriously do you think we are in competition with bangladesh?
It would be a sweet point to prove. And a point of pride.
That Pakistan which colonized & exploited Bangladeshi resources to develop when the two were together, would then be behind Bangladesh.

Just like how it would be a sweet victory the day India eclipses UK in economy(1.5 decade away at max)...and then hopefully Bangladesh and Pakistan too eclipse the UK in economy.

US is not going to invest in them economically in any appreciable way. That I can guarantee. You can check the recent FDI figures yourself, it is getting more and more skewed to China-sourced FDI. Anyone thats not China is losing interest.

What China does is for strategic reasons only. CPEC alone is not going to push GFCF past 20%. At most there may be a spurt of around 6% growth for a few years, then it will drop back down unless Pakistan fundamentally brings in land owner + tax reform to create real hard assets from the money that is being stashed away illegally/tax evaded/sitting around doing nothing. Then to really get the growth to where it should be they also need to bring in better skilled labour. Both of these are not happening (they should have done it years ago, they arent doing it even today and are hoping somehow Chinese will do it).

You cannot rely on CPEC to change these fundamental basic necessities to empower local people, especially entrepreneurs. India and Bangladesh are on this journey too, but they have at least firmly started....so they are not reliant on one or two countries bringing in investment....in fact they are not even all that reliant on FDI in the first place (its just an extra bonus).
Whether or not they help them economically or militarily, the fact is that either money or military equipment flows into Pakistan(thereby freeing Pakistani budget for the same amount from military to economic development) from numerous sources.

Pakistan has always taken the short cut to growth, which is why their institutions have never developed and a national psyche has yet to develop (apart from hate and kill Hindus)...that does not mean that growth will not take place. There are pro's and con's to each action/way.

We and Bangladesh have taken the harder route. It remains to be seen whether Pakistan can yet again jump through the hoops by taking aid (like they did from 60's to 80's and surpassed us in per capita income) and ensure that they stay ahead of Bangladesh.
 
BSF kills everyone who tresspasses the border - including Indians. Infact they killed two Indians trying to cross over to Bangladesh a couple of days back.

The job of the force is to ensure the border remains important - no one, whether an Indian or a Bangladeshi, a cattle herder or a smuggler is allowed to cross.

You have some weird concept - maybe you should tell your opinion to your pal US who you gladly keep taking aid from despite them killing scores of Pakistani military men like in Salala.


It would be a sweet point to prove. And a point of pride.
That Pakistan which colonized & exploited Bangladeshi resources to develop when the two were together, would then be behind Bangladesh.

Just like how it would be a sweet victory the day India eclipses UK in economy(1.5 decade away at max)...and then hopefully Bangladesh and Pakistan too eclipse the UK in economy.


Whether or not they help them economically or militarily, the fact is that either money or military equipment flows into Pakistan(thereby freeing Pakistani budget for the same amount from military to economic development) from numerous sources.

Pakistan has always taken the short cut to growth, which is why their institutions have never developed and a national psyche has yet to develop (apart from hate and kill Hindus)...that does not mean that growth will not take place. There are pro's and con's to each action/way.

We and Bangladesh have taken the harder route. It remains to be seen whether Pakistan can yet again jump through the hoops by taking aid (like they did from 60's to 80's and surpassed us in per capita income) and ensure that they stay ahead of Bangladesh.

Them being ahead of us during 60's to 80's...has more to do with India being absolutely horrible at basic economics rather than any aid benefit Pakistan got....because India received lots of aid as well. Social development was relatively the same overall, though India started pulling ahead in things like literacy rate, mortality, health etc....now the differences are quite stark in many of them. But we must really improve Sanitation and absolute poverty rates. We are behind Pakistan in those areas (though not as much as they think).
 
It would be a sweet point to prove. And a point of pride.
That Pakistan which colonized & exploited Bangladeshi resources to develop when the two were together, would then be behind Bangladesh.

Just like how it would be a sweet victory the day India eclipses UK in economy(1.5 decade away at max)...and then hopefully Bangladesh and Pakistan too eclipse the .

Sir we dont care if bangladesh is ahead of us because we are not in competition with them.

Yes india crossing Pakistan in Per capita is a concern and i will not want Pakistan to loose to india in per capita income or at least would not want the gap to widen much.

As said earlier,Pakistan has other sectors to worry about and yes they are far more imp than even the economy.

Bangladesh is inrelatively a very peaceful region and Pakistan,well you know very well.

@Nilgiri

Sir why the difference b/w Pak and Bangladesh GDP PPP is far more than nominal?especially the GDP PPP per capita
 
Sir we dont care if bangladesh is ahead of us because we are not in competition with them.

Yes india crossing Pakistan in Per capita is a concern and i will not want Pakistan to loose to india in per capita income or at least would not want the gap to widen much.

As said earlier,Pakistan has other sectors to worry about and yes they are far more imp than even the economy.

Bangladesh is inrelatively a very peaceful region and Pakistan,well you know very well.

@Nilgiri

Sir why the difference b/w Pak and Bangladesh GDP PPP is far more than nominal?especially the GDP PPP per capita

Good question. It seems Bangladesh overall price levels are higher than in Pakistan. The main reason I would suppose is they have fewer natural resources per capita compared to Pakistan. This means they are more interlinked with the world and reliant on trade for price sensitive and logistically important commodities (which they have to use USD buffers to pay for many times). They are also very reliant on RMG exports which are consumed mostly by people who pay in USD.

This means their PPP mulitplier base level will be somewhat lower than a country like Pakistan or India (who have a more diverse basket of exports, more internalised logistics/supply chains for crucial consumption items, or in Pakistans case also trade somewhat less overall). China is an interesting one who's PPP multiplier is quite low now given its massive presence and linking into world trade (even though it is very high in local natural resources per capita).

Lets compare with China who's economic story is known very well. In 2000 it had a PPP multiplier of around 3. Now it is around 1.7 (43% drop).

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

That is what more "international reliant" high growth does over many years. The currency "corrects" itself as more suppliers, producers and consumers get access to multi-origin goods and many markets and those markets inflation. Part of this is also explained by the massive USD reserves China holds.

In a way, PPP defines the "frontier potential" for GDP and arises because price levels in a country are different from that of the US (where USD is printed). As you trade more and more with the US (and other countries that use USD for trade), you generally get closer to a nominal and PPP per capita that match.

This is one reason. The other reason is just inherent inflation (especially supply side) within a country that makes its goods more expensive over time relative to the inflation of goods within USA (or more specifically worldwide that use USD for transaction).

We can see this latter happening within Pakistan to a larger degree than the first reason. The trade has not jumped significantly (in terms of what China has experienced for example) as % of GDP....but Pakistans PPP multiplier has dropped from a factor of 5 in 2000 to around 3.4 in 2015 (32% drop):

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

For India the drop in the same period was from 4.4 to 3.7 (16% drop).

Bangladesh was from around 3.3 to 2.85 (14% drop)

This explains partly how Pakistan was a full double per capita in PPP in 2000 compared to Bangladesh but its now only 35% higher. India's lower fall rate in PPP multiplier also now means it has a lot higher PPP per capita than Pakistan (i.e local price levels have not increased so much compared to Pakistan).

It is not a hidden science on how this PPP multiplier is calculated. Basically IMF takes a basket of goods across a representative cross section of the country and compares their prices to the "same" basket of goods in the US using local consumption patterns and references. I say "same" because it can never be perfectly identical...but as close as possible (hence a source of error). Consumption patterns/preference also vary adding another source of error when comparing across countries (but thats an issue with GDP overall anyway)

It is also a source of error within China notably, that they dont allow such data to be gathered outside their cities. One would assume this keeps their PPP multiplier depressed (since price levels are generally lower in rural areas).
 
Them being ahead of us during 60's to 80's...has more to do with India being absolutely horrible at basic economics rather than any aid benefit Pakistan got....because India received lots of aid as well. Social development was relatively the same overall, though India started pulling ahead in things like literacy rate, mortality, health etc....now the differences are quite stark in many of them. But we must really improve Sanitation and absolute poverty rates. We are behind Pakistan in those areas (though not as much as they think).
You do mention that we have recieved aid. You are correct.

Do you know we have recieved slightly more/marginally more aid than Pakistan from the US.

Yet - we are 4 times their geographical size and 7-8 times their population. And yet the aid we have both recieved has roughly been the same. That means the US aid has a far far greater effect on Pakistan than it does on India.

Which is why I said, their economy is constantly propped up by foreign powers. If not for them, Pakistan would have collapsed a long time ago.
 
You do mention that we have recieved aid. You are correct.

Do you know we have recieved slightly more/marginally more aid than Pakistan from the US.

Yet - we are 4 times their geographical size and 7-8 times their population. And yet the aid we have both recieved has roughly been the same. That means the US aid has a far far greater effect on Pakistan than it does on India.

Which is why I said, their economy is constantly propped up by foreign powers. If not for them, Pakistan would have collapsed a long time ago.

Yes their aid intensity during cold war was much greater than ours per capita, overall and from US.

But sometimes aid also came to India in a non-monetary way in form of technical assistance and cooperation....from USSR, US, Japan, W. Germany, UK etc...

India had so many resources as her command but we did not use them well at all, aid or no aid...because we were too focused on creating welfare model socialist state without trying to grow the cake to begin with in any appreciable way to start with. Plus we didn't get the benefits of being socialist (mass literacy + health drives) overall to the extent that we should have under such an idealist system, especially in the high population cow belt areas....so when we did deregulate, open up and "reform", we could not accelerate so well (labour training + human capital quality was somewhat bad for mass industrialisation) and naturally get numerous high growth centers.

Hindsight is 20/20, I hope at least this administration can solve some of the fundamental issues that are still largely unresolved.
 
Hindsight is 20/20, I hope at least this administration can solve some of the fundamental issues that are still largely unresolved.
With the literally "scorched earth" policy used by UPA on country and country finances when it knew it would not get elected, the country is in no shape to undergo dramatic changes.

It would take uptill 2017 just to bring it back to normal functioning order with respect to financial situations wherein the Govt can find big financing to take up radical moves. Then about 1.5 years left until next elections.

This country would need to elect Modi a second time for there to be lasting major changes (as opposed to smaller incremental changes that we have witnessed uptill now)
 
You are heavily and utterly misinformed. Please read up actual historical accounts, maybe those in Pakistan even....not my words, but written in Pakistan i.e.the likes of the Hamoodur Rahman report about 1971...



IMHO - Bengalis never had representation in the cabinet per their population percentage, please read up on this. This was a big beef with the Bengalis which the Sheikh capitalized on...even in Dhaka itself, much lower grade govt. posts (office administrator) always went to Pakistanis (specifically Punjabis) in spite of Bengalis having far higher merit and education. Even in private sector jobs Punjabis preferred their own kind over Bengalis. If we have to compare, people in India have always been careful about this sort of 'favoritism'.

Nepotism in Punjabi circles pre-1971 was rife, even sitting in Dhaka they didn't let up on this. Bengalis had major reason to get pissed. Forty some years later - we still see the whole propaganda crap continuing like a broken record - "We Punjabis are all 'Saffed and superior', Bengalis are kala-kala idiots". This is freaking laughable, I think it is amazing that a nation led primarily by a small number of Punjabis who believe in such rampant racism and deeply ingrained 'faraq' philosophy has continued to survive and has managed to hold together.




I don't think the Sheikh's followers killed a large number of people pre-1971. Even if they did, that certainly does not justify unleashing tanks unannounced on a mostly unarmed population or dragging people out of their homes and making them dig their own graves, only to be killed by brush-fire. The footage is all available. No amount of hand-wringing or white-washing in Pakistan will make these evidences disappear.

This type of betrayal from one's own army is unthinkable, whose arms and bullets were bought through one's own hard-earned sweat. I don't think Yahya Khan could do it in Pakistan itself. Only when a General thinks Bengalis as less than human is this sort of skulduggery possible.




Bhutto was manic depressive, an egomaniac and politically foolhardy. Even today check out his speeches on YouTube and you'll get the idea. I'm not saying the Sheikh was anything great politically either but he exercised his options the best way he could. The sane thing would have been to transfer power using a self-rule arrangement and let the chips fall where they may. But Bhutto and his Islamabad Punjabi buddies were going to have none of it, given their ego. Very immature move.



Touche. Look how Bhutto died....

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it...
very well written....very rational n unbiased
 
@Riyad ... like we care .. to hell with BD.. we have our own problems y should we care...
 
What exactly do these workers on visas do? They provide higher management related services and consulting?

I can't see B'desh bringing in shop floor labour (officially on visas) from other countries when it has millions that fit the bill right at home.

Not labourers .. Due to electricity crisis .. A large number of businessmen shifted their industries to Bangladesh... By going after them Bangladesh will lose billions of $$..

I hope Bangladesh does that... It will only force those idiots to shift back to Pak.
 
Good question. It seems Bangladesh overall price levels are higher than in Pakistan. The main reason I would suppose is they have fewer natural resources per capita compared to Pakistan. This means they are more interlinked with the world and reliant on trade for price sensitive and logistically important commodities (which they have to use USD buffers to pay for many times). They are also very reliant on RMG exports which are consumed mostly by people who pay in USD.

This means their PPP mulitplier base level will be somewhat lower than a country like Pakistan or India (who have a more diverse basket of exports, more internalised logistics/supply chains for crucial consumption items, or in Pakistans case also trade somewhat less overall). China is an interesting one who's PPP multiplier is quite low now given its massive presence and linking into world trade (even though it is very high in local natural resources per capita).

Lets compare with China who's economic story is known very well. In 2000 it had a PPP multiplier of around 3. Now it is around 1.7 (43% drop).

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

That is what more "international reliant" high growth does over many years. The currency "corrects" itself as more suppliers, producers and consumers get access to multi-origin goods and many markets and those markets inflation. Part of this is also explained by the massive USD reserves China holds.

In a way, PPP defines the "frontier potential" for GDP and arises because price levels in a country are different from that of the US (where USD is printed). As you trade more and more with the US (and other countries that use USD for trade), you generally get closer to a nominal and PPP per capita that match.

This is one reason. The other reason is just inherent inflation (especially supply side) within a country that makes its goods more expensive over time relative to the inflation of goods within USA (or more specifically worldwide that use USD for transaction).

We can see this latter happening within Pakistan to a larger degree than the first reason. The trade has not jumped significantly (in terms of what China has experienced for example) as % of GDP....but Pakistans PPP multiplier has dropped from a factor of 5 in 2000 to around 3.4 in 2015 (32% drop):

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

For India the drop in the same period was from 4.4 to 3.7 (16% drop).

Bangladesh was from around 3.3 to 2.85 (14% drop)

This explains partly how Pakistan was a full double per capita in PPP in 2000 compared to Bangladesh but its now only 35% higher. India's lower fall rate in PPP multiplier also now means it has a lot higher PPP per capita than Pakistan (i.e local price levels have not increased so much compared to Pakistan).

It is not a hidden science on how this PPP multiplier is calculated. Basically IMF takes a basket of goods across a representative cross section of the country and compares their prices to the "same" basket of goods in the US using local consumption patterns and references. I say "same" because it can never be perfectly identical...but as close as possible (hence a source of error). Consumption patterns/preference also vary adding another source of error when comparing across countries (but thats an issue with GDP overall anyway)

It is also a source of error within China notably, that they dont allow such data to be gathered outside their cities. One would assume this keeps their PPP multiplier depressed (since price levels are generally lower in rural areas).
Excellent post.:toast_sign:

Good question. It seems Bangladesh overall price levels are higher than in Pakistan. The main reason I would suppose is they have fewer natural resources per capita compared to Pakistan. This means they are more interlinked with the world and reliant on trade for price sensitive and logistically important commodities (which they have to use USD buffers to pay for many times). They are also very reliant on RMG exports which are consumed mostly by people who pay in USD.

This means their PPP mulitplier base level will be somewhat lower than a country like Pakistan or India (who have a more diverse basket of exports, more internalised logistics/supply chains for crucial consumption items, or in Pakistans case also trade somewhat less overall). China is an interesting one who's PPP multiplier is quite low now given its massive presence and linking into world trade (even though it is very high in local natural resources per capita).

Lets compare with China who's economic story is known very well. In 2000 it had a PPP multiplier of around 3. Now it is around 1.7 (43% drop).

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

That is what more "international reliant" high growth does over many years. The currency "corrects" itself as more suppliers, producers and consumers get access to multi-origin goods and many markets and those markets inflation. Part of this is also explained by the massive USD reserves China holds.

In a way, PPP defines the "frontier potential" for GDP and arises because price levels in a country are different from that of the US (where USD is printed). As you trade more and more with the US (and other countries that use USD for trade), you generally get closer to a nominal and PPP per capita that match.

This is one reason. The other reason is just inherent inflation (especially supply side) within a country that makes its goods more expensive over time relative to the inflation of goods within USA (or more specifically worldwide that use USD for transaction).

We can see this latter happening within Pakistan to a larger degree than the first reason. The trade has not jumped significantly (in terms of what China has experienced for example) as % of GDP....but Pakistans PPP multiplier has dropped from a factor of 5 in 2000 to around 3.4 in 2015 (32% drop):

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

For India the drop in the same period was from 4.4 to 3.7 (16% drop).

Bangladesh was from around 3.3 to 2.85 (14% drop)

This explains partly how Pakistan was a full double per capita in PPP in 2000 compared to Bangladesh but its now only 35% higher. India's lower fall rate in PPP multiplier also now means it has a lot higher PPP per capita than Pakistan (i.e local price levels have not increased so much compared to Pakistan).

It is not a hidden science on how this PPP multiplier is calculated. Basically IMF takes a basket of goods across a representative cross section of the country and compares their prices to the "same" basket of goods in the US using local consumption patterns and references. I say "same" because it can never be perfectly identical...but as close as possible (hence a source of error). Consumption patterns/preference also vary adding another source of error when comparing across countries (but thats an issue with GDP overall anyway)

It is also a source of error within China notably, that they dont allow such data to be gathered outside their cities. One would assume this keeps their PPP multiplier depressed (since price levels are generally lower in rural areas).
Excellent post.:toast_sign:
 
Anybody followed this thread conversation lastly? Anyone followed this Mofassil guy should know his ideology(anti AL) and a fanboy of zia. He made many videos against AL, SM and co. But something changed him. So he is making new types of videos and took a hard anti jamat stand lately. I feel like Kalu miah is Mofassil or someone who follows this forum also. For example I saw some of his videos are posted just after similar kinds of discussion in BD section. Anyway he is great show and I feel to promote him.




 
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