DF-21D "carrier killer" missile for Pakistan?

[Abid123]

This just a hypothetical scenario

"The Dong Feng-21D anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), which can accurately strike aircraft carrier 1,500 kilometres away. An improved version, the Dong Feng-26, targets aircraft carriers 3,000-4,000 kilometres away". 'The DF-21 system has a warhead capable of Mach 10. With speeds of up to Mach 10 during the terminal phase, the DF-21D is the fastest-ever MRBM. It is capable of outperforming current US missile defence systems such as the AEGIS ballistic missile defence system".

If Pakistan wants to develop its own intermediate-range ballistic missile with a 1500/3000-4000 km range equivalent to China's DF-21D/DF-26 it may cost as much as 1 billion USD to develop. In other words it would be waste of money. The better option would be to buy the DF-21D/DF-26 directly from China. China's DF-21D/DF-26 missile may cost $25 million apiece.

"If Pakistan Navy inducts the DF-21D it could upset India’s clear naval advantage over Pakistan". If the DF-21D is installed at any point along the Makran coast of Pakistan between Pasni and Karachi it will be able to hit any of the Indian Navy aircraft carriers. In fact it could strike any naval target in the Persian gulf. DF-21D will dominate the whole of the Arabian Sea including the littorals of India on one flank and that of Middle east/Gulf on the other. An Indian aircraft carrier with MiG-29K and Tejas on board will not be able to blockade Pakistan if the carrier has to stay out of range of the missile. Which out be impossible considering the DF-21D 1500-km range. The DF-21D could prevent Indian or any other countries warships from approaching coastal targets like Karachi or Gwadar.

Here is the range of the DF-21D/DF-26 if installed on Pasni naval base:

DF-21D 1500-km range

DF-26 3000-km minimum range

DF-26 4000-km maximum range

 

[dbc]

This just a hypothetical scenario

"The Dong Feng-21D anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), which can accurately strike aircraft carrier 1,500 kilometres away. An improved version, the Dong Feng-26, targets aircraft carriers 3,000-4,000 kilometres away". 'The DF-21 system has a warhead capable of Mach 10. With speeds of up to Mach 10 during the terminal phase, the DF-21D is the fastest-ever MRBM. It is capable of outperforming current US missile defence systems such as the AEGIS ballistic missile defence system".

If Pakistan wants to develop its own intermediate-range ballistic missile with a 1500/3000-4000 km range equivalent to China's DF-21D/DF-26 it may cost as much as 1 billion USD to develop. In other words it would be waste of money. The better option would be to buy the DF-21D/DF-26 directly from China. China's DF-21D/DF-26 missile may cost $25 million apiece.

"If Pakistan Navy inducts the DF-21D it could upset India’s clear naval advantage over Pakistan". If the DF-21D is installed at any point along the Makran coast of Pakistan between Pasni and Karachi it will be able to hit any of the Indian Navy aircraft carriers. In fact it could strike any naval target in the Persian gulf. DF-21D will dominate the whole of the Arabian Sea including the littorals of India on one flank and that of Middle east/Gulf on the other. An Indian aircraft carrier with MiG-29K and Tejas on board will not be able to blockade Pakistan if the carrier has to stay out of range of the missile. Which out be impossible considering the DF-21D 1500-km range. The DF-21D could prevent Indian or any other countries warships from approaching coastal targets like Karachi or Gwadar.

Here is the range of the DF-21D/DF-26 if installed on Pasni naval base:

DF-21D 1500-km range

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DF-26 3000-km minimum range

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DF-26 4000-km maximum range

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please google C4ISR - it represents billions of dollars of investment in space , surface and sub surface assets which is beyond the reach of many developing nations.

 

[khanasifm]

PN has no desire to go all out they want to keep gulf to gawadar and karachi sloc clear and has enough to keep it , this missile i think is just a response to IN planning three carriers in future along with a task force for carrier group so enough to take out strategic targets like carriers may be Required, 25 million a piece is expansive compared to 1-2 million a piece cruise missile

 

[ozranger]

Pakistan actually has capability to develop ASBMs to hit moving targets in a range of about 300km. Iran can do that too and they showcased their ASBM capability before. But within that kind of range, why don't you just use much cheaper and approachable cruise missiles (ASCMs)?

The biggest blocker for an ASBM to go beyond 300 km for a moving target has nothing to do with the missile's combat range. It is the satellite constellations which really matter. To achieve hitting a moving target 1000 km away, You'd need satellite carried multi-spectrum optical sensors and synthetic aperture radars (SARs), hypersonic or stealth UAVs, supercomputers for information infusion and strong rocket launch and orbiting capabilities.

 

[LeGenD]

The DF-21 system has a warhead capable of Mach 10. With speeds of up to Mach 10 during the terminal phase, the DF-21D is the fastest-ever MRBM. It is capable of outperforming current US missile defence systems such as the AEGIS ballistic missile defence system.

AEGIS have intercepted MACH 20+ stuff actually.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

This just a hypothetical scenario

"The Dong Feng-21D anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), which can accurately strike aircraft carrier 1,500 kilometres away. An improved version, the Dong Feng-26, targets aircraft carriers 3,000-4,000 kilometres away". 'The DF-21 system has a warhead capable of Mach 10. With speeds of up to Mach 10 during the terminal phase, the DF-21D is the fastest-ever MRBM. It is capable of outperforming current US missile defence systems such as the AEGIS ballistic missile defence system".

If Pakistan wants to develop its own intermediate-range ballistic missile with a 1500/3000-4000 km range equivalent to China's DF-21D/DF-26 it may cost as much as 1 billion USD to develop. In other words it would be waste of money. The better option would be to buy the DF-21D/DF-26 directly from China. China's DF-21D/DF-26 missile may cost $25 million apiece.

"If Pakistan Navy inducts the DF-21D it could upset India’s clear naval advantage over Pakistan". If the DF-21D is installed at any point along the Makran coast of Pakistan between Pasni and Karachi it will be able to hit any of the Indian Navy aircraft carriers. In fact it could strike any naval target in the Persian gulf. DF-21D will dominate the whole of the Arabian Sea including the littorals of India on one flank and that of Middle east/Gulf on the other. An Indian aircraft carrier with MiG-29K and Tejas on board will not be able to blockade Pakistan if the carrier has to stay out of range of the missile. Which out be impossible considering the DF-21D 1500-km range. The DF-21D could prevent Indian or any other countries warships from approaching coastal targets like Karachi or Gwadar.

Here is the range of the DF-21D/DF-26 if installed on Pasni naval base:

DF-21D 1500-km range

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DF-26 3000-km minimum range

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DF-26 4000-km maximum range

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All i can say is LOL. This would give pakistan huge advantage over india its like 5x bigger threat then S400. And even China wont allow it because they dont want to upset economic deals with India let alone west opposition. Pakistan can only have it in a wild dream.

 

[War Thunder]

Pakistan actually has capability to develop ASBMs to hit moving targets in a range of about 300km. Iran can do that too and they showcased their ASBM capability before. But within that kind of range, why don't you just use much cheaper and approachable cruise missiles (ASCMs)?

The biggest blocker for an ASBM to go beyond 300 km for a moving target has nothing to do with the missile's combat range. It is the satellite constellations which really matter. To achieve hitting a moving target 1000 km away, You'd need satellite carried multi-spectrum optical sensors and synthetic aperture radars (SARs), hypersonic or stealth UAVs, supercomputers for information infusion and strong rocket launch and orbiting capabilities.

And let's accept the fact that satellites will be the first casuality in a war between China and NATO.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

such an over kill for pakistan

keeping Indian aircraft carriers in mind, C802s are more than enough

 

[HalfMoon]

such an over kill for pakistan

keeping Indian aircarriers in mind, C802s are more than enough

I think these are for the US aircraft carriers.

 

[KAL-EL]

Why not Chinese aircraft carrier, Chinese SLBM's, Chinese J-20,J-31 etc

Anything is possible in such imaginations.

Why not to death star?

 

[Goritoes]

PN has no desire to go all out they want to keep gulf to gawadar and karachi sloc clear and has enough to keep it , this missile i think is just a response to IN planning three carriers in future along with a task force for carrier group so enough to take out strategic targets like carriers may be Required, 25 million a piece is expansive compared to 1-2 million a piece cruise missile

With addition of SLCM i think we dont need Anti Ship BM's for IN , it would be a overkill .

 

[LeGenD]

@Abid123

Pakistan is developing P282 ASBM for its needs.

China might not export its ASBM due to MTCR but it could help in other ways.

 

[hussain0216]

Yeah aren't we developing or planning to develop a ASBM as per leaving speech of what-his-face

 

[ozranger]

And let's accept the fact that satellites will be the first casuality in a war between China and NATO.

That's why several Chinese companies are competing in the market for fast launching of preloaded satellites using solid fuel rockets from canisters usually for ICBMs. Such rockets like CZ-11 can send dozens satellites to orbits at once. Hypersonic UAVs will also help in war time by flying suborbits.

BTW there is no such a thing called China vs NATO. The US needs to fight China mostly on its own whenever a conventional war arises. Japan is not qualified to help in such a war as China wouldn't mind throwing some H-bombs to it for historical reason, North Korea will look after South Korea, Iran will block the gulf and Russia will enter Ukraine as implied by their recent movements.

The US military will have to travel long distances to fight directly against the other 2 super powers at the same time in the next conventional war or even a nuclear war.

 

[Abid123]

AEGIS have intercepted MACH 20+ stuff actually.

It has probably intercepted single "stuff". When you have multiple DF-21D fired at aircraft carrier/warship? I doubt it would be able to intercept them all.