Destroy ISI - Indian NSA Advisor

[Vinod2070]

Salim is banned!

I am shocked. The forum is not the same!

 

[Energon]

why was salim banned?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Salim is banned!

I am shocked. The forum is not the same!

why was salim banned?

Salim has only been banned for a week because he accumulated three infractions over time.

We decided a while back that we were going to initiate 3 infraction bans, that would progressively get larger - week, month, 6 months, permanent.

So barring major rules violations, you would need to accumulate twelve infractions to get a perm. ban.

Salim was not banned for speaking his mind on various issues, or for valid critique of topics and arguments.

 

[Majnun]

Indeed, it is only Indians who lap up goggledygooks! And the Pakistan bank on RAW facts? Good if you feel that Pakistanis bank on the Gospel Truth!

Pakistan has always attributed everything, not only bombing, but every woe at India's doorstep.

And India has done the same more often. India's cases of accusing Pakistan can be proved false every time. I'm not exaggerating when I say that India has never rightly suspected Pakistan and Pakistan was always innocent.

To plan such an operation and execute it with such precision is indeed sophistication worth note.

Then India couldn't have done it.

 

[Majnun]

Oh please, Middle of the Capital is hardly a guarded place. India has plenty of murders, thefts and bombings in its capital Delhi.

We know.

But India is constantly accusing Pakistan. Their baseless accusations are to take the light away from any groups within India that may have been guilty.

 

[GHATAK]

Well it does not matter if the ISI did it or the Taliban. After all taliban is the brain-child of ISI, can anyone deny this ?

Well, whether members in this forum agree or not, karzai himself has done enough to damage/bring-to-light pakistan's way of spreading violence in Afghanistan. He is contributing well to the US psychological war against pakistan by spreading media reports of - Terrorist safe havens - unsafe nuclear weapons - etc etc. It is interesting that pakistan still thinks its an ally in the WoT.

If you have been following the world affairs, you will know how it damaged the reputation of Iraq by repeatedly speaking about weapons of mass destruction...and the same thing is now going for Iran and Pakistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

After all taliban is the brain-child of ISI, can anyone deny this ?

err - yes.

The Taliban was a creation of circumstance - circumstances brought about by the Soviet Invasion, the resulting guerrilla war, the subsequent Afghan civil war, and the atrocities and chaos spread by all the fighting warlords, criminals and Tribal leaders - including the Northern Alliance.

Pakistan supported the Taliban when it came onto the scene, it did not create it.

It is interesting that pakistan still thinks its an ally in the WoT.

Not anymore than the US believes it.

I think it is a little naive to think that Pakistan trusts the US and its goals in the region completely.

 

[Flintlock]

Afghan secret service alerted India on terror cell

Praveen Swami

NEW DELHI: Afghanistan’s secret service, the Riyast-e-Amniyat-i-Milli, provided precision intelligence on the jihadist cell which executed last week’s bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul, highly placed government sources have told The Hindu.

RAM notified its Indian counterparts that an attack on the embassy in Kabul was imminent as early as June 23. Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence Directorate, it said, had instructed Afghanistan-based jihadists to execute an attack on the Indian mission. Based on the available intelligence, RAM said that it expected the terrorist cell to execute a fidayeen (suicide squad) attack, which would use explosives to breach defences at the front gate of the Indian embassy.

RAM’s head of diplomatic security, the sources said, spent three nights camped at the Embassy, working with his Indian counterparts to make sure effective counter-measures were put in place.

As a result of the RAM warning, a new machine-gun post was set up above a shopping complex next to the Embassy to engage terrorists who managed to breach the gates. Police patrols around the perimeter were beefed up. Hesco barriers — sandbag-like blocks made up of collapsible wire mesh and heavy duty fabric liner which are widely used in North Atlantic Treaty Organisation military bases — were fitted to make perimeter walls blast-resistant.

India’s Research and Analysis Wing corroborated the Afghan warning three days after RAM’s report. Based on communications intelligence and informants’ reports, RAW said the attack would most likely be carried out using a Toyota suburban utility vehicle.

Less than a week before the bombing, United States military intelligence personnel monitoring terrorist communications in Afghanistan obtained new information on the attack. Plans to execute a fidayeen strike, they learned, had been dropped. Instead, a car-bomb was being prepared. Government sources said this last warning was accurate down to the last detail, even asserting that the vehicle would have Kabul licence plates.

Investigators now believe an estimated 100 kg of military-grade plastic explosive was welded into the underside of the SUV, bearing licence plate number KBL 11827 SH — enough to gouge a 2.5 metre diameter, 1 metre crater on the concrete-asphalt road and fling the vehicle’s engine block, number 2L3240928, almost a 100 metres away.

Had Hesco barriers not been installed around the Embassy, Indian security experts, who spoke to The Hindu,said the blast would have claimed the lives of at least two dozen personnel who were then working inside the building.
ISI role

Last week’s bombing forms part of a pattern of heightened violence in recent months, which both Afghanistan and India have blamed on Pakistan’s ISI.

While some commentators have cast the ISI as a rogue entity, acting at odds with a government seeking peace, others argue that the feared covert service’s activities reflect the strategic consensus within Pakistan’s armed forces.

Ever since the regime of General Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq, the ISI has played a central role in the affairs of the Pakistani armed forces, casting itself as the defender of the country’s ideological values and interests.

Pakistan’s Chief of Army Staff General Pervez Ashfaq Kayani is a former Director-General of the ISI — and has drawn on officers with ISI backgrounds to staff several key positions.
Advisers from ISI

President Pervez Musharraf, too, drew several of his advisers from within the ranks of the ISI.

Lieutenant-General Ghulam Ahmad, who served as his chief of staff, headed the political wing of the ISI in 1993. Lieutenant General Javed Ashraf Qazi, who was appointed Education Minister and charged with reforming Pakistani seminaries, was a former ISI chief. So, too, was General Musharraf’s hand-picked ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Lieutenant-General Asad Durrani.

It seems improbable that the ISI-backed revival of major jihadist groups does not have the institutional support of the Pakistan armed forces, who see them as allies in the larger cause of projecting Islamabad’s power.

Even organisations which Pakistan banned in the wake of the December 2001 attack on India’s Parliament have now begun operating openly.

In an article published in the Lahore-based News last month, commentator Ahmad Bilal described a large public convention held by Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Masood Azhar — who was released from an Indian jail in 2000, in return for the lives of passengers on board an hijacked Indian Airlines flight hijacked to Kandahar.

Mr. Bilal recorded that the city walls were “filled with anti-West hate slogans, with ‘al-Jihad, al-Qital’ (holy war, bloody battle) written everywhere around the central mosque.”

One Jaish billboard in the city, he added, “showed a passenger plane on fire with a slogan on it: Another victory for Muslims.”

The Hindu : Front Page : Afghan secret service alerted India on terror cell

 

[IceCold]

Afghan secret service alerted India on terror cell

Praveen Swami

NEW DELHI: Afghanistan’s secret service, the Riyast-e-Amniyat-i-Milli, provided precision intelligence on the jihadist cell which executed last week’s bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul, highly placed government sources have told The Hindu.

RAM notified its Indian counterparts that an attack on the embassy in Kabul was imminent as early as June 23. Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence Directorate, it said, had instructed Afghanistan-based jihadists to execute an attack on the Indian mission. Based on the available intelligence, RAM said that it expected the terrorist cell to execute a fidayeen (suicide squad) attack, which would use explosives to breach defences at the front gate of the Indian embassy.

RAM’s head of diplomatic security, the sources said, spent three nights camped at the Embassy, working with his Indian counterparts to make sure effective counter-measures were put in place.

As a result of the RAM warning, a new machine-gun post was set up above a shopping complex next to the Embassy to engage terrorists who managed to breach the gates. Police patrols around the perimeter were beefed up. Hesco barriers — sandbag-like blocks made up of collapsible wire mesh and heavy duty fabric liner which are widely used in North Atlantic Treaty Organisation military bases — were fitted to make perimeter walls blast-resistant.

India’s Research and Analysis Wing corroborated the Afghan warning three days after RAM’s report. Based on communications intelligence and informants’ reports, RAW said the attack would most likely be carried out using a Toyota suburban utility vehicle.

Less than a week before the bombing, United States military intelligence personnel monitoring terrorist communications in Afghanistan obtained new information on the attack. Plans to execute a fidayeen strike, they learned, had been dropped. Instead, a car-bomb was being prepared. Government sources said this last warning was accurate down to the last detail, even asserting that the vehicle would have Kabul licence plates.

Investigators now believe an estimated 100 kg of military-grade plastic explosive was welded into the underside of the SUV, bearing licence plate number KBL 11827 SH — enough to gouge a 2.5 metre diameter, 1 metre crater on the concrete-asphalt road and fling the vehicle’s engine block, number 2L3240928, almost a 100 metres away.

Had Hesco barriers not been installed around the Embassy, Indian security experts, who spoke to The Hindu,said the blast would have claimed the lives of at least two dozen personnel who were then working inside the building.
ISI role

Last week’s bombing forms part of a pattern of heightened violence in recent months, which both Afghanistan and India have blamed on Pakistan’s ISI.

While some commentators have cast the ISI as a rogue entity, acting at odds with a government seeking peace, others argue that the feared covert service’s activities reflect the strategic consensus within Pakistan’s armed forces.

Ever since the regime of General Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq, the ISI has played a central role in the affairs of the Pakistani armed forces, casting itself as the defender of the country’s ideological values and interests.

Pakistan’s Chief of Army Staff General Pervez Ashfaq Kayani is a former Director-General of the ISI — and has drawn on officers with ISI backgrounds to staff several key positions.
Advisers from ISI

President Pervez Musharraf, too, drew several of his advisers from within the ranks of the ISI.

Lieutenant-General Ghulam Ahmad, who served as his chief of staff, headed the political wing of the ISI in 1993. Lieutenant General Javed Ashraf Qazi, who was appointed Education Minister and charged with reforming Pakistani seminaries, was a former ISI chief. So, too, was General Musharraf’s hand-picked ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Lieutenant-General Asad Durrani.

It seems improbable that the ISI-backed revival of major jihadist groups does not have the institutional support of the Pakistan armed forces, who see them as allies in the larger cause of projecting Islamabad’s power.

Even organisations which Pakistan banned in the wake of the December 2001 attack on India’s Parliament have now begun operating openly.

In an article published in the Lahore-based News last month, commentator Ahmad Bilal described a large public convention held by Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Masood Azhar — who was released from an Indian jail in 2000, in return for the lives of passengers on board an hijacked Indian Airlines flight hijacked to Kandahar.

Mr. Bilal recorded that the city walls were “filled with anti-West hate slogans, with ‘al-Jihad, al-Qital’ (holy war, bloody battle) written everywhere around the central mosque.”

One Jaish billboard in the city, he added, “showed a passenger plane on fire with a slogan on it: Another victory for Muslims.”

The Hindu : Front Page : Afghan secret service alerted India on terror cell

What absolute nonsense is this. They knew each and every thing yet could not do anything about it, the americans provided with each and every detail which proved correct to the last detail yet the so called afghan authorities could not do anything about it, What is ISI seems to me they are super human i guess, at least by the way Indians express them to. Cut the crap and accept that it was nothing more then failure on both Indian the so called RAM who could not stop these terrorist attacks and have found ISI the name to be used as a scape goat. A leaf from the Indian book.

 

[Goodperson]

What absolute nonsense is this. They knew each and every thing yet could not do anything about it, the americans provided with each and every detail which proved correct to the last detail yet the so called afghan authorities could not do anything about it, What is ISI seems to me they are super human i guess, at least by the way Indians express them to. Cut the crap and accept that it was nothing more then failure on both Indian the so called RAM who could not stop these terrorist attacks and have found ISI the name to be used as a scape goat. A leaf from the Indian book.

Well Indians are not alone in claiming the same.

Pak behind bombing on Indian embassy: Afghan prez

US after denying initially will investigate Afghan charges. As far as India is concerned it will pray and hope the situation in Afghanistan improves.

US to investigate Afghan charges, says Bush -DAWN - Top Stories; July 16, 2008

 

[IceCold]

Well Indians are not alone in claiming the same.

Pak behind bombing on Indian embassy: Afghan prez

US after denying initially will investigate Afghan charges. As far as India is concerned it will pray and hope the situation in Afghanistan improves.

US to investigate Afghan charges, says Bush -DAWN - Top Stories; July 16, 2008

Don't paste BS Goodperson. The masters of Afghanistan (US) has already said that Pakistan isn't behind it. So good luck with this blame game.