Deoband ulema term all Taliban actions un-Islamic

[SSGPA1]

Working of Al-e-Saud is a complex matter and I for one have never been able to understand if they are on the side of fellow Muslims or not. Al-e-Saud came into power with the help of the British and the role of infamous Major T.A. Lawrence is a very established historical fact. Al-e-Saud is pretty much indebted of the British for their help to re-gain power and hold of the Hijaz during early 20th century. One thing can be said for sure that Saudis are friend of themselves and for their own interest and welfare if they had to go on the dead body of the rest of the non-Saudi Muslims, they will do so (and have done so during Iraq-Kuwait conflict).

This is true for most of the past Kings but Faisal and present King Abdullah are different. Keep in mind that despite the authoritive nature of rule, Saudi bureaucracy and other officials have different feelings and goals.

As far as Iraq-Kuwait conflict is concerned ... Iraq shouldn't have invaded a tiny neighbour specially when that neighbour is also a Muslim country ...

We also need to keep in mind the role of Iran, Paksitan and Turkey so I don't blame Saudis alone.

 

[waraich66]

SSGPA - lets not kid ourselves. We need to stop living in denial.

National Post

Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect in the attacks, is a native of Saudi Arabia and has long been a conduit for secret funds from members of the Saudi royal family to various Islamist groups in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Sudan.

But bin Laden is merely the most visible aspect of a far deeper connection: The Taliban, the extremist ruling regime in Afghanistan that harbours bin Laden, is in fact largely a Saudi creation. Members of the royal family armed and financed the Taliban's rise in the 1990s and, until recently, were among its strongest allies in the Arab world.

"The Saudis have a great deal to answer for," says Ahmed Rashid, a Pakistani journalist and author of Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia. "They are the main backers of the Taliban and tried to expand Wahhabi Islam around the world by promoting narrow-minded groups."

Those "narrow-minded" groups took their inspiration from Wahabism, a harsh and puritanical subset of Islam that originated in Saudi Arabia.

The sect is named for Muhammad bin Abd al-Wahab, an 18th-century reformer whose descendants worked to unify the Saudi kingdom. Today, members of the Wahab family continue to occupy important positions in the country.

"Wahabism rejected other types of Islam and its reformist leaders imposed a puritanical order on the tribes they conquered," says Earle H. Waugh, a professor of religion at the University of Alberta. "Unlike other Muslims, the Wahabis said they would base society strictly on the Koran."

According to Prof. Waugh, Muslim societies were traditionally ordered through what he called "an intellectual consensus," which drew on precedents to establish laws and rules of governance. For instance, traditional Muslim legal scholars seeking to establish regulations governing landing rights at airports would bypass the Koran, looking for guidance instead to laws governing docking rights at medieval Islamic ports and adapting them to present-day circumstances. The Wahabis rejected this form of intellectual consensus and focused strictly on the Koran as the final arbiter.


Wahabism is, in fact, a kind of Islamist totalitarianism. It denies equal rights to women and invokes the death penalty as punishment for drinking or sexual transgressions. The sect rejects Western influence and does not permit mingling of the sexes, eating pork or interacting closely with non-Muslims. Wahabi mosques are traditionally simple, undecorated affairs, and Wahabis do not permit ostentatious displays of spirituality. Those who follow Wahabi teachings, such as bin Laden, believe their faith should be spread around the world and the Koran allows them to defend their brand of Islam by violence, if necessary. In the late 18th century, the cult was associated with the mass murder of all who opposed it. When the Wahabis took the city of Qarbala in what is now Saudi Arabia in 1801, they massacred 2,000 civilians in the streets and marketplaces.

Analysts say the impetus behind Saudi Arabia's recent export of Wahabism to central Asia came largely from a political decision on the part of the Saudi government to reduce the power of Wahabism at home by exporting it abroad.

Wahabism, says Mr. Rashid, "is increasingly undermining the authority of the royal family."

In recent years, Saudi Arabia "has proved incapable of evolving a rational foreign policy which suits its national interests rather than merely appeasing its domestic Wahabi lobby."

This policy of appeasement has prevented the Saudi government from co-operating too closely with the United States on investigations into a number of recent terrorist attacks, some of them committed on Saudi soil. Saudi authorities have only grudgingly complied with U.S. law enforcement officials over investigations into the 1996 suicide attack on the Khobar Towers, a military compound housing U.S. troops, which left 19 U.S. servicemen dead and hundreds injured.

They have also been slow to help U.S. investigators probe the Sept. 11 attacks despite the fact more than half of the suspected hijackers were Saudi nationals.

Having exported Wahabi extremism that helped to create the current climate of terror in the world, the Saudi government is now faced with containing strong Islamist fundamentalist pressures in their own country.

TS,

Please dont blame all wahabis for extremisim ,OBL belong to extremist group of wahabis similar lasker jhangvi is extremist group of deobandi school of thaught.

 

[Cheetah786]

=SSGPA1;404497]Some Saudis may be working for the West just like some Iranians or some Pakistanis.

I am sure lots of iranians are working for west not some but that dosnet concern me as iranians arent in pakistan fighting my army and blowing up my people.

Afghanistan and Iraq self destruct themselves with the help of USA and USSR (now Russia).

I suppose you are claiming all afghans wanted destruction and so the deserve what they are getting.
we are not going to go towards who is behind talibans and whos money helpe them create civil war.
House of sauds allowed Arabians lands to be used against the daily bombings of Iraq for almost 10 years paid 56 billion dollars to the americans for that war and encouraged saddam a cia appointed dictator to attack iran and with the help of americans enoucraged him to take kuwait.

Lebanon and Palestine had forces supported by Iran so why blame the Saudis?

I have posted a article by eric margolias in this forum read it please here are some parts of that i am posting for you to read.

Egypt is America’s most important Muslim ally, along with Saudi Arabia.
Lebanon’s 7 June parliamentary elections. A US/French/Saudi-backed coalition of Sunni, Christians, and Druze was pitted against a Syrian-Iranian backed Hezbullah-led coalition that included Armenians and a Christian splinter faction.

Late last month, US Vice President Joseph Biden went to Lebanon and openly threatened to cut off all US aid to that nation of 3.9 million if the democratically-elected Hezbullah coalition won. Hillary Clinton made similar crude threats. Is this the kinder, gentler, more thoughtful Obama way? Even Dick Cheney kept this threats private.
The United States, Saudi Arabia and France spent hundreds of millions of dollars bribing Lebanon’s venal politicians and buying votes. The US has been mucking around like this in Lebanon since 1957, often with disastrous results.

Iran spread some money around as well. Nothing new about that: Lebanon’s elections often are determined by who bought the most voters and politicians.

All the western `baksheesh’ and some fancy vote rigging helped the US-backed March 14 coalition, headed by Saad Hariri, win 71 seats. The Hezbullah-led coalition won only a surprisingly small 57 seats. This left fragmented Lebanon just where it was before this sleazy election. The vote results reeked of fraud. But Washington hailed Lebanon’s vote.

Eric Margolis

Palestinians overwhelmingly voted for hamas and voted out corrupt fatah which west and house of saud refuse to recognize including Israel (3 amigos)Egypt closed his borders with Palestine during recent war i hope this small sentence help you why i blame house of saud for every trouble in muslim lands.

Fact of the matter is that the Saudis are one of the closest friends of Pakistan and have always supported us

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With friends like these who needs enemies but i am sure ask any Taliban or meshud or his suicidebombers (only house of saud backed so called mullahs say suicide bombing is halal)they will agree with you sauidies are our friends.
so i will agree to disagree with you as we are moving away from subject.

 

[Cheetah786]

SSGPA1;404537]As far as Iraq-Kuwait conflict is concerned ... Iraq shouldn't have invaded a tiny neighbour specially when that neighbour is also a Muslim country ...

one could say the same About house of saud not allowing its lands to be used for the destrucition of another country specially when its a Muslim country selective memory isnt a excuse.and lets not forget who encouraged saddam to take Kuwait.

We also need to keep in mind the role of Iran, Paksitan and Turkey so I don't blame Saudis alone.

please do share some wisdom with us i would love to read about Iran and specially turkey.

 

[SSGPA1]

Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect in the attacks, is a native of Saudi Arabia and has long been a conduit for secret funds from members of the Saudi royal family to various Islamist groups in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Sudan.

But bin Laden is merely the most visible aspect of a far deeper connection: The Taliban, the extremist ruling regime in Afghanistan that harbours bin Laden, is in fact largely a Saudi creation. Members of the royal family armed and financed the Taliban's rise in the 1990s and, until recently, were among its strongest allies in the Arab world.

"The Saudis have a great deal to answer for," says Ahmed Rashid, a Pakistani journalist and author of Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia. "They are the main backers of the Taliban and tried to expand Wahhabi Islam around the world by promoting narrow-minded groups."

From Afghan Mujahideens to the Taliban regime, all of it was mostly funded by the Saudis, however, all it was supported by the champions of democracy the USA!!

I have not read this book by Mr. Rashid but I can smell the Western a*s kissing from what you have quoted.

Analysts say the impetus behind Saudi Arabia's recent export of Wahabism to central Asia came largely from a political decision on the part of the Saudi government to reduce the power of Wahabism at home by exporting it abroad.

China tries to export Socialism and US tries to export democracy because they think it is the best system and everyone should benefit from their respective system. Saudis have the same right to do so. Saudis always follwoed the same school of thought and this frustration is not result of that.

Wahabism, says Mr. Rashid, "is increasingly undermining the authority of the royal family."

In recent years, Saudi Arabia "has proved incapable of evolving a rational foreign policy which suits its national interests rather than merely appeasing its domestic Wahabi lobby."

This policy of appeasement has prevented the Saudi government from co-operating too closely with the United States on investigations into a number of recent terrorist attacks, some of them committed on Saudi soil. Saudi authorities have only grudgingly complied with U.S. law enforcement officials over investigations into the 1996 suicide attack on the Khobar Towers, a military compound housing U.S. troops, which left 19 U.S. servicemen dead and hundreds injured.

Frustration amongst the Saudi youth was due to the policies of the US and the authoritive regime at home.

In order to appease and meet the demands of the population at home, which is the first role of a responsible govt., Saudi govt. dropped the level of their co-operation with the US. It also took steps towards relaxing some policies at home which resulted in a normalisation in the Saudi society.

I give kudos to the Saudi govt. for guiding their nation away from a potentially explosive situation 5 yrs ago.

See this is a catch 22 situation, if Saudis help the US and don't work with the majority of population at home then writers like Mr. Rashid call them pro-US regimes!

Hopefully I will have enough money one day to hire Mr. Rashid to write a few nice lines about myself too.

 

[pak-marine]

Saudi / America /Deabandi ...Wahabi ... Shia ...Sunni who is our real freind !? Why cant we say we are Pakistanis first its a home to all ..... If we would have respected it and have stopped this bheek (AID) we are so much used to in the first place none of what we have now would have hapned!
for all information above all + many others have their goals and interests, And us Pakistanis being to nice , emotinal and hungry always get carried away in their b*llsh*T. This Aid either from Saudi /America / Iran etc which we think is free money is bringing all sorts of problem with it.

 

[EjazR]

It should be understood that Fatwas are more than simple religious rulings on questions, the environment and context in which they are given must also be looked at. While the Deoband Madrassah in Bharat condemned the Kashmiri Freedom struggle as Fasad, the Deobandi scholars in Pakistan declared it as jihad, and supported the creation of a deobandi jihad force, Harkatul Ansar/Mujahideen and Jaishe Muhammad.

This fatwa was not issued by just the Deoband ulema but a conglomeration of about 10 000 ulemas Bareilvis, Ahl-e-Hadith, Shias, besides top-ranking representatives of Rabita Madaras-e-Islamia (Ahle-e-Hadees), Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Hind, Jamaat-e-Islami Hind and All India Muslim Personal Board (there isn't as much secretarian violence as in Pakistan and all groups work together most of the time). Source is here . The fatwa was also endorsed by Kashmir's head mufti Bashir-ud-din. He could have kept quiet by he didn't. Obviously, only the separatists group in Kashmir and the Jihad council based in PaK refuted the fatwa.

However, there is no need to think that just because these ulemas are in India, they would somehow change their stance under these circumstances. The fatwa was given on a basis of principles from Quran and Hadith and there is no need to doubt their integrity especially since they have taken principled stand against the government on matters of religion when needed, even if it was unpopular.

Also some ulema in Pakistan have also expressed this view. Particularly in the light of the fact that the religious freedom of muslims is guaranteed in India. And any conflict where innocent civilians are killed even if they are non-muslims is NOT Jihad. Jihadi groups in Kashmir have not only killed non-muslim civilians but have also killed civilian muslims as well

It's sad to say, that Pakistan is probably the only country where scholars of religion have the freedom to give any fatwa and preach any opinion, without fear of the govt. For a long time, this freedom in itself was the greatest bulwark to radicalization and extremism.

Religious extremism didn't come out because of freedom of speech, it was fostered, cultivated and promoted by the establishment. Islam is not inherently an extreme religion but favors moderation in all respects and any extremists voices would have died a natural death if there was no Afghan or Kashmir Jihad without external support. In Pakistan, religious scholars have been utilized by the ruling establishment for their geo-politcal/interests with disregard to Islamic principles and this is what went wrong. These "religious" scholars got pajeros, money, fame and prestige in return they provided brain-washed foot soldiers. Now these scholars could have belonged to deoband, wahabbi, barelwi or any other school of thought, the result would have been the same. An excellent article on this theme is here

 

[SSGPA1]

I am sure lots of iranians are working for west not some but that dosnet concern me as iranians arent in pakistan fighting my army and blowing up my people..

Our people and my people. Iran plays its own role in harming Pakistan. From helping India in Afghanistan to sending troops at the Balochistan border. House of Saud or teh Saudi govt. are not responsible for some nut cases like Mehsood who take a certain school of thought to extremism.

I suppose you are claiming all afghans wanted destruction and so the deserve what they are getting...

No buddy .... I blame Afghans for not able to resolve their differences after the departure of USSR forces.

I have posted a article by eric margolias in this forum read it please here are some parts of that i am posting for you to read.

Egypt is America’s most important Muslim ally, along with Saudi Arabia.
Lebanon’s 7 June parliamentary elections. A US/French/Saudi-backed coalition of Sunni, Christians, and Druze was pitted against a Syrian-Iranian backed Hezbullah-led coalition that included Armenians and a Christian splinter faction.

Late last month, US Vice President Joseph Biden went to Lebanon and openly threatened to cut off all US aid to that nation of 3.9 million if the democratically-elected Hezbullah coalition won. Hillary Clinton made similar crude threats. Is this the kinder, gentler, more thoughtful Obama way? Even Dick Cheney kept this threats private.
The United States, Saudi Arabia and France spent hundreds of millions of dollars bribing Lebanon’s venal politicians and buying votes. The US has been mucking around like this in Lebanon since 1957, often with disastrous results.

Iran spread some money around as well. Nothing new about that: Lebanon’s elections often are determined by who bought the most voters and politicians.

All the western `baksheesh’ and some fancy vote rigging helped the US-backed March 14 coalition, headed by Saad Hariri, win 71 seats. The Hezbullah-led coalition won only a surprisingly small 57 seats. This left fragmented Lebanon just where it was before this sleazy election. The vote results reeked of fraud. But Washington hailed Lebanon’s vote.


Palestinians overwhelmingly voted for hamas and voted out corrupt fatah which west and house of saud refuse to recognize including Israel (3 amigos)Egypt closed his borders with Palestine during recent war i hope this small sentence help you why i blame house of saud for every trouble in muslim lands....

Mate this is all politics and has nothing to with Deoband or Wahabisim.

With friends like these who needs enemies but i am sure ask any Taliban or meshud or his suicidebombers (only house of saud backed so called mullahs say suicide bombing is halal)they will agree with you sauidies are our friends.
so i will agree to disagree with you as we are moving away from subject.

Take out House of Saud from the picture and you will still have the same school of thought in Saudia Arabia.

DarkStar posted some valueable info regarding the POV of these ulema please read through that.

 

[qsaark]

@qsaark

Dear Sir,

A small correction: T. E. Lawrence had nothing to do with the Saudi house establishing itself in Saudi Arabia.

Sincerely,

'Joe S.'

No he did not have anything to do with Al-e-Saud per se but to help the rebel Arab tribes against the Ottoman troops. The way I wrote about him in my post was certainly confusing and thank you for pointing it out.

 

[Ababeel]

You mentioned Professor Sajid Mir....

{ New Jang Group May 29 2009

Speakers at an Ulema and Mashaikh convention on Thursday demanded the government that it should identify and address the root cause of Taliban-problem instead of using military operation to merely cure the symptoms.

He was right in saying so as implementing of Sharia in whole of Pakistan will automatically solve the problem of Taliban movement and Pakistanis as a whole, then support the govt as it will then not leave any excuses for Taliban to carry on with their doctrine and all school of thoughts will be behind the govt as it will be operating under the Islamic principles and will not be following stray and blind and anti-Islamic ideologies of Secularism and Atheism as is the case with most of the politicians who are just muslim by name and not muslims which Quran wants them to be.They are not leaving a single chance to take society towards vulgarity, nudity, westernization etc.
If given the chance they will sale Pakistan to USA and West.
Terming the Swat military operation as an American conspiracy to shift a lost Afghan war to Pakistani soil, they demanded immediate halt to military action and initiation of dialogue.The convention held at Jamia Manzoor ul Islamia was chaired by its principal and veteran scholar Pir Saifullah Khalid and addressed by Ulema and Mashaikh belonging to different schools of thought and from different parts of the country. Prominent among them were Jamiat Ahle Hadith president Senator Sajid Mir, JUI-F leader Hafiz Hussain Ahmad, Tanzim Islami founder Dr Israr Ahmad, Jamaat ud Dawah leader Maulana Ameer Hamza, Mufti Hameed Ullah Jan, JI deputy secretary general Dr Farid Paracha.......}

I'm afraid your 'scholar' Professor Sajid Mir sounds more like an apologist for the Taliban terrorists.

Just because you want to believe that saudi wahhabi clerics and their stooges in pakistan like the JI are peace loving exemplary muslims, does'nt make it so. Perhaps you should do some more research on the topic......

They are right in saying that this is an extension of US war in Afghanistan. US doesn't want that Pakistan prosper and become a strong Islamic country with nuclear weapons. I don't understand to which school of thought among the muslims of the pakistan do you belong as the conference was attended by every school of thought among muslims only not by non-muslims and athiest. We can differ with Taliban on many of their interpretations but not at all on imlementation of Sharia in Pakistan which itself came into existance in the name of Islam and as a muslim we should spend our life with Islam as our ideology our Deen (Way of life) in this world and not just muslim by name. Allah doesn't need muslim by name but muslim following principles of Quran and Sunnah.


بِسْمِ اللّهِ الرَّحْمـَنِ الرَّحِيم
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


By (the Token of) Time (through the Ages), (1) وَالْعَصْرِ (&#1633


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Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy. (3) إِلا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالْحَقِّ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالصَّبْرِ (&#1635

 

[waraich66]

They are right in saying that this is an extension of US war in Afghanistan. US doesn't want that Pakistan prosper and become a strong Islamic country with nuclear weapons. I don't understand to which school of thought among the muslims of the pakistan do you belong as the conference was attended by every school of thought among muslims only not by non-muslims and athiest. We can differ with Taliban on many of their interpretations but not at all on imlementation of Sharia in Pakistan which itself came into existance in the name of Islam and as a muslim we should spend our life with Islam as our ideology our Deen (Way of life) in this world and not just muslim by name. Allah doesn't need muslim by name but muslim following principles of Quran and Sunnah.


بِسْمِ اللّهِ الرَّحْمـَنِ الرَّحِيم
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


By (the Token of) Time (through the Ages), (1) وَالْعَصْرِ (&#1633


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Verily Man is in loss, (2) إِنَّ الإِنْسَانَ لَفِي خُسْرٍ (&#1634


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Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy. (3) إِلا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالْحَقِّ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالصَّبْرِ (&#1635

Brother,

Islam is peacefull religion ,it should be implemented through peace and love and with same methodology through which it spread from nile to indus and upto oxus.

JI is trying to implement islam through power which is totally wrong method and now talaban mafia did the same mistake , who ever try to force islam with power or force will be vanished.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

I am sure lots of iranians are working for west not some but that dosnet concern me as iranians arent in pakistan fighting my army and blowing up my people.



I suppose you are claiming all afghans wanted destruction and so the deserve what they are getting.
we are not going to go towards who is behind talibans and whos money helpe them create civil war.
House of sauds allowed Arabians lands to be used against the daily bombings of Iraq for almost 10 years paid 56 billion dollars to the americans for that war and encouraged saddam a cia appointed dictator to attack iran and with the help of americans enoucraged him to take kuwait.




I have posted a article by eric margolias in this forum read it please here are some parts of that i am posting for you to read.

Egypt is America’s most important Muslim ally, along with Saudi Arabia.
Lebanon’s 7 June parliamentary elections. A US/French/Saudi-backed coalition of Sunni, Christians, and Druze was pitted against a Syrian-Iranian backed Hezbullah-led coalition that included Armenians and a Christian splinter faction.

Late last month, US Vice President Joseph Biden went to Lebanon and openly threatened to cut off all US aid to that nation of 3.9 million if the democratically-elected Hezbullah coalition won. Hillary Clinton made similar crude threats. Is this the kinder, gentler, more thoughtful Obama way? Even Dick Cheney kept this threats private.
The United States, Saudi Arabia and France spent hundreds of millions of dollars bribing Lebanon’s venal politicians and buying votes. The US has been mucking around like this in Lebanon since 1957, often with disastrous results.

Iran spread some money around as well. Nothing new about that: Lebanon’s elections often are determined by who bought the most voters and politicians.

All the western `baksheesh’ and some fancy vote rigging helped the US-backed March 14 coalition, headed by Saad Hariri, win 71 seats. The Hezbullah-led coalition won only a surprisingly small 57 seats. This left fragmented Lebanon just where it was before this sleazy election. The vote results reeked of fraud. But Washington hailed Lebanon’s vote.

Eric Margolis

Palestinians overwhelmingly voted for hamas and voted out corrupt fatah which west and house of saud refuse to recognize including Israel (3 amigos)Egypt closed his borders with Palestine during recent war i hope this small sentence help you why i blame house of saud for every trouble in muslim lands.

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With friends like these who needs enemies but i am sure ask any Taliban or meshud or his suicidebombers (only house of saud backed so called mullahs say suicide bombing is halal)they will agree with you sauidies are our friends.
so i will agree to disagree with you as we are moving away from subject.

cheetah 786 - nicely summarized.

 

[Cheetah786]

Mate this is all politics and has nothing to with Deoband or Wahabisim.

Ist you try to spin it and bring in iran or turkey no luck in that so the best you can come up with is its politics.

Millions Of Muslims have been killed cause house of saud and not only you are trying to defend them i didnt no it was possible for any Intelligent person to do that but the best you could come up with is ITs politics wow i am impressed.

So i take it when a bomb blows up on pakistan killing pakistanis you call it politics

Good news is you Sow what you Reap India did it with tamils afghanistan did it with talibans pakistan is paying with Wahabi terrosit guess who is next to pay for its Politics i will give you ONE guess.

 

[DarkStar]

Millions Of Muslims have been killed cause house of saud

Do you ever read anything that does not confirm to your restricted view, or the paradigm that has been constructed for you?

As for your ludicrous comment, Where was I when the House of Saud caused millions of muslims to have been killed?

When and where did this killing take place, exactly?

Do enlighten me.

Would any sane person today call the Catholic christian religion as terrorist, and blame the VAtican, for the terrorism that was inflicted upon the people of Northern Ireland by the Caltholic IRA...why tar Saudi ARabia or any other country, religion, sect, people, for the actions of a misguided few...

Sufi Muhammad is a Barelwi.

Taliban like Mehsud, Nazir, are Deobandis.

The foreign irhabis have people that are Salafis.

Takfiri radical ideology is not restricted to any sect in Islam, as i explained in another thread. All sects within Islam can have people that go astray and follow this radical ideology.

To use this for firqa bashing is a new low, something that Ahmed Rashid has quite taken to, since his move to the USofA

 

[Conscientious objector]

SSGPA - lets not kid ourselves. We need to stop living in denial.

How can you write what you have above and then proceed to post the absolute rubbish you have below?

Wahabism is, in fact, a kind of Islamist totalitarianism. It denies equal rights to women and invokes the death penalty as punishment for drinking or sexual transgressions.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Wahabism the above statement is a bare faced lie that anyone with even the slightest knowledge would know.Bring one statement from any Wahabi source that states the punishment for drinking alcohol is death/execution

The sect rejects Western influence and does not permit mingling of the sexes, eating pork or interacting closely with non-Muslims.

Mingling of the sexes and eating pork etc are not permitted by Islam period regardless of sect. The author seriously needs to do some basic research before he attempts to write about such matters.This article only exposes him as a charlatan with an ulterior agenda