Defence Minister total assets

[praful]

Who is by all logic. I am closely associated to Armed Forces and know much more than anybody. I am not saying he has changed things dramatically. The systemic changes needs to happen and its a too slow process in a democracy. We need everybody in the chain to be out of the box and that needs a sea change. But being incompetent due to red tape is different from being corrupt. I would still back Mr Anthony than go by your lines. Ok! by your logic why is the three chief of staff not saying anything? isnt it in-competency? why are they not court marshaled. THIS IS JUST A COUNTER QUESTION AND DOES NOT MEAN I MEAN IT.

They are literally begging infront of MoD. Use Google search

--We have 50% obsolete equipment
--we will fight with whatever we have
--Recently gave the presentation to PM and MOD about the immediate threat from china-- 12000 cr is stopped by the MOD because cost is not justified.

 

[sivadreams]

This presentation u read on newspapers actually happens every month. Things are not published every month. There are political reasons for each press release. Some of the press release by COAS are also politically rehearsed. These are mostly not for our consumption and there is always a diplomatic reasoning behind it. Being a layman like you I can understand your frustration but the problem is more systemic and if there was some other politician in his place it would have been worse.

 

[praful]

This presentation u read on newspapers actually happens every month. Things are not published every month. There are political reasons for each press release. Some of the press release by COAS are also politically rehearsed. These are mostly not for our consumption and there is always a diplomatic reasoning behind it. Being a layman like you I can understand your frustration but the problem is more systemic and if there was some other politician in his place it would have been worse.

don't give useless excuse. For whose consumption they give this public release-- enemies? do you believe that their startegy depend on the press release of coas ? this would be rofl moment for me. There is systemic problem and that is your responsibility to sort the issues out isn't it ? Look at the Narendra modi and nitish kumar. You need a will rest will follow.

and as a matter of fact India is no match of china. MOD is playing with the lives of billions.

 

[sivadreams]

don't give useless excuse. For whose consumption they give this public release-- enemies? do you believe that their startegy depend on the press release of coas ? this would be rofl moment for me. There is systemic problem and that is your responsibility to sort the issues out isn't it ? Look at the Narendra modi and nitish kumar. You need a will rest will follow.

and as a matter of fact India is no match of china. MOD is playing with the lives of billions.

corruption and systemic red tape problems are two different things. FYI: I am not defending Congress here.
Narendra Modi has his fair share of corruption and what about Karnataka? I am not speaking about Niitish as i am not aware of the situation there. Except for good governance had brought him back. These systemic red tape problems have to be fixed no doubt about it. If you want to ROFL you can all the time. I seek for permanent solution rather than changing politicians at will and end up experimenting with different political party in finding out who is better.

There are a very few handful of people who are real politicians and most of them are just their to earn money and not motivated towards nation building. in that context at least we have few examples who are not their for money.

Here I rest my case as there is no point in talking to morons like you, who have pre-conceived notions. My take is first bring in honest politicians across the board and then we can see who is competent and who is not. if the basic nature of a man is flawed his competency will only lead to sophisticated corruption.

 

[praful]

corruption and systemic red tape problems are two different things. FYI: I am not defending Congress here.
Narendra Modi has his fair share of corruption and what about Karnataka? I am not speaking about Niitish as i am not aware of the situation there. Except for good governance had brought him back. These systemic red tape problems have to be fixed no doubt about it. If you want to ROFL you can all the time. I seek for permanent solution rather than changing politicians at will and end up experimenting with different political party in finding out who is better.

There are a very few handful of people who are real politicians and most of them are just their to earn money and not motivated towards nation building. in that context at least we have few examples who are not their for money.

Here I rest my case as there is no point in talking to morons like you, who have pre-conceived notions. My take is first bring in honest politicians across the board and then we can see who is competent and who is not. if the basic nature of a man is flawed his competency will only lead to sophisticated corruption.

First and foremost -- when somebody starts to loose the argument he starts personal attack like you did.

Narendra modi has done wonderfully fro Gujrat -- there is no charges or chargesheet against him.

And for god's sake I am not BJP's spokeperson so don't bring Karnataka etc. as u don't stay in India u don't know about Bihar I take it.

and don't put this crap of red tapism before me-- anthony is not the peon in MOD he is a defence minister and having a considerable time in his office so what he has done for the improvement of the system ? Isn't that his failure ?

And I never said that he is corrupt as I don't have any proof against them but I said he is incompetent to the core-- as you people don't have any argument against his incompetency you are resorting to personal attacks.

and as people are crying that he is honesh he is honest-- let put a toddler in his place as defence minister because he is also innocent and honest does it solve the issues ? we need value addition for the smooth functioning of armed forces. he has the most critical ministry.

as he is highly incompetent he should resign as he has failed to deliver and unable to fix the accountability and responsibilty. He is just towing to the lines of Babus

 

[cyphercide]

^^^^ Sure man,he ain't no peon.But he ain't the "Royal Earl Of the Defense Forces" either.The concerned forces makes the evaluations,The government signs off on it and the CAG keeps the records.The Defense Ministry is the middleman between them and from time to time offers proposals of it's own to the parties involved.The position of the Defense Minister isn't nearly half as mighty as you assume it to be.

At times I just do not understand the Indian psyche.One on hand we vociferously condemn corrupt officials and then turn around and mock the saints among them.Either they are "Badnaam" for dealing in the ill gotten money that comes their way or they are "Bewakoof" for refusing to touch it.Warped!

 

[sivadreams]

Praful nothing personal, I just pin pointed at you that you have below par intelligence and could not understand the system. Please see a dictionary for the word "moron". There is no argument here. you keep on claim he is incompetent. Now tell me who has been competent and corruption less before him? and how do you ensure the same in the future after his resignation?

As i said i am closely associated to Armed forces i know how things work here, Armed forces itself is corrupt by itself. i am aware of the kind of scams which did not hit the papers. unless root cause of corruption is rooted out its difficult to bring in any competence factor. competence factor is secondary for me.

The basic problem in India right now is everybody wants to earn money by crook or fluke and our value systems have gone down the drains. You bring in various laws and demand resignations and somebody else will come in and do the same mischief. The change is not in others but from within. This is what I subscribe to. I do appreciate honest men who try to be part of the system and try and change it from within. This is evolution and a slow process. But things are different improved in the last 10yrs. So i am hopeful and we will see a changed India soon. At least in the nex-gen who are in middle school now.

Yes my knowledge on Bihar is very limited as I only have bookish knowledge and what i read in papers. I can comment on only those things which I am sure of and if i dont know about something I better not speak about it with thrid-party knowledge.

Narendra Modi has given economic boon to Gujarat, no doubt. if you look at basic gujarati nature, they are very fine businessmen. Modi uses it for his advantage thats it. But what about corruption there? have you followed any of the news from Gujarat?

Coming back to Def Min who will you replace him with and how will you ensure that he will deliver? do you have blue print. if so do spell that out and I can accept that you are just not a frog in the crowd but a game changer. Everybody can shout that he has done this and that. Are you the change? Dont act too smart by just yelling in some forum and feel that you are a saint.

 

[praful]

@CYPHERCIDE -- do you know how much power is hold by an MLA or a IPS officer ? so don't be an excuse that he doesn't enjoy power. They enjoy tremendous power that is why there are so many scams are kickbacks . Have you ever heard the world Professionalism ? Professional adds value to the process and product. A 10 years old can be honest person so do you want him to be defence minister of India beacuse he is Honest ? No -- beacuse he doesn't have wisdom to take "DECISION". Do you want a person to be in your team who is honest but can't deliver ? NO-- beacuse we are professionals. We add value. We fix accountability for delay and losses . who is doing that in MOD ? Whose responsibility is that to make system better? As a defence minister we expect him to delivers as per Nation's expectation and not hide behind the babus . This is shameless I must say.

@sivadreams -- who have put very laughable argument to say the least. Suppose he dies tomorrow in some mishap what will India do ? we will be without defence minister for ever ? NO-- a precedent should be set either you deliver on the promises or go back. Cometency should have no substitutes. I have showed a lot of blunders or failures by AK Anthony but you don't have any factual arguments against mine expect this is because of system. Why the officials who are responsible for fiasco are still in MOD why they are not been scaked ? why ?