Deep state threatens India’s national unity

[he-man]

It is deep bias that enables Sindhi Hindus to acquire citizenship but does not allow Bengali Muslims to do the same. India is indeed not a secular state but a Hindu state. I have noticed this constantly. Its people do not have the psyche of secular people and ideology.

India may claim to be secular but it is a Hindu state with only limited rights provided to the Muslim and other communities.

Will u elucidate further?

 

[Kaniska]

thank you for that... however...



1. socialism is for the eradication of nations and nationalism... so, when a socialist republic exists, it exists as a base from where socialism is forwarded to other nations to bring them into socialism too.

2. socialism exists for the removal of class... all humans are equal in justice and quality of life... a true communist society is one with class.

Ans : No comment..I do not mind in agreement with you.



nehru did not bring in socialism... i have had to declare this many times on pdf... i am socialist and i tell you that nehru did not bring socialism... simple example... did he shut down the bombay stock exchange ( capitalist ) which was established in 1875... he did not.
Ans: I do not like that Neheru any way..So you are more knowledgeable to me in this subject...I am with you..



that is the problem of indian "muslims"... there have been entire muslim socialist republics in the world since 1945.

Ans: I do not understand your point.



so is hinduism... so were britishers... but many indian hindus have more loyalty to usa and britain than to the idea of a progressed and just india.

Ans: It need a separate debate to answer your question...But Hinduism or Sanatana Dharma is the religion of this land unlike other religion.


just a few days ago, we had this... ( Death, hunger stalk Indian tea-estate workers ).

Ans : Just a few days ago..so many things happens..but that does not change some ground rules...

those 69 tea plantation workers and their family members died of hunger in darjeeling... in 2014... yet, the nearest dogs and gods ( in temples ) would be "offered" food... islam promoted action against idolatry for a practical and scientific reason.

Ans: If scientific reason is the only thing i need to justify Islam, then you are just kidding me.Just look at Islam and world knows the answer..I do not want to debate and get banned because people in PDF are Pakistan and Islam religion sensitive people...



civilization came to india five times... the greeks of alexander the great, the early christians, muslim conquerors and sufis, the britishers, the naxalites in present times.

Many things come to India...And same rule is applicable for other Muslim countries too...Many other religion and culture existed in your holy land...Then does Muslim pay respect to other religion in their own countries...India or civilization started with Tribal culture or Sanatana Dharma...other things came later....They attacked, exploited and tortured Hindu people....If Muslims on India are so senstive of One Babri Mosque being demolished....How come you expect Hindus will forget the hundreds of temple being demolished by ISLAMIC Inavders and we will not react to these incidents of the histroy...

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please do read these, if you want a socialist/communist humanity...

1. The Worldwide Government | Page 3

2. proposal for a new division of south asia | Page 10

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1. socialism is for the eradication of nations and nationalism... so, when a socialist republic exists, it exists as a base from where socialism is forwarded to other nations to bring them into socialism too.

2. socialism exists for the removal of class... all humans are equal in justice and quality of life... a true communist society is one with class.

Ans : No comment..I do not mind in agreement with you.



nehru did not bring in socialism... i have had to declare this many times on pdf... i am socialist and i tell you that nehru did not bring socialism... simple example... did he shut down the bombay stock exchange ( capitalist ) which was established in 1875... he did not.
Ans: I do not like that Neheru any way..So you are more knowledgeable to me in this subject...I am with you..



that is the problem of indian "muslims"... there have been entire muslim socialist republics in the world since 1945.

Ans: I do not understand your point.



so is hinduism... so were britishers... but many indian hindus have more loyalty to usa and britain than to the idea of a progressed and just india.

Ans: It need a separate debate to answer your question...But Hinduism or Sanatana Dharma is the religion of this land unlike other religion.


just a few days ago, we had this... ( Death, hunger stalk Indian tea-estate workers ).

Ans : Just a few days ago..so many things happens..but that does not change some ground rules...

those 69 tea plantation workers and their family members died of hunger in darjeeling... in 2014... yet, the nearest dogs and gods ( in temples ) would be "offered" food... islam promoted action against idolatry for a practical and scientific reason.

Ans: If scientific reason is the only thing i need to justify Islam, then you are just kidding me.Just look at Islam and world knows the answer..I do not want to debate and get banned because people in PDF are Pakistan and Islam religion sensitive people...



civilization came to india five times... the greeks of alexander the great, the early christians, muslim conquerors and sufis, the britishers, the naxalites in present times.

Many things come to India...And same rule is applicable for other Muslim countries too...Many other religion and culture existed in your holy land...Then does Muslim pay respect to other religion in their own countries...India or civilization started with Tribal culture or Sanatana Dharma...other things came later....They attacked, exploited and tortured Hindu people....If Muslims on India are so senstive of One Babri Mosque being demolished....How come you expect Hindus will forget the hundreds of temple being demolished by ISLAMIC Inavders and we will not react to these incidents of the histroy...

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please do read these, if you want a socialist/communist humanity...

1. The Worldwide Government | Page 3

2. proposal for a new division of south asia | Page 10[/QUOTE]

- Humanity is a reciprocal concept...Expect humanity when you follow the same..
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[Kaniska]

It is deep bias that enables Sindhi Hindus to acquire citizenship but does not allow Bengali Muslims to do the same. India is indeed not a secular state but a Hindu state. I have noticed this constantly. Its people do not have the psyche of secular people and ideology.

India may claim to be secular but it is a Hindu state with only limited rights provided to the Muslim and other communities.

You may be right technically...But unfortunately neither we are completely secular not even we are the same what you have suggested for...The challenge for us is that our political class due to the fear of the backclass never ever tries to revisit the histroy and address the issue...We always try to play a patch up game to our histroy..We have some facts which is troubled one...As long as no one is addressing it, it will be like that...

Think about the noise and hurt in sentiment because of Babri Mosque demolition and Gujurat riot....And i am in complete agreement with you that these are inhuman act and it does not have any space in our modern society...But when we do not stop condoling any point in demolition of Babri mosque, Indian secular people do not have any concern with the historical fact that there are hundreds of temples which are destroyed by Islamic invaders....Now, according the Muslim and Indias secular brigade, demolition of Babri mosque is against secular fabric of INDIA, but accepting the horror committed by Islamic invders and destruction of temple by Outsider Islamic rulers is not an issue for them...How do you think Hindus of India will address this problem...Either you have to say that everything is bad or nothing is bad...If destruction of Somnath Temple is not bad then same way the denstruction of Babri mosque too...

So this is a classic example where our politician and secular brigade failed to provide an answer to us, so Hindus in particular have right to get aggrived...It may be at the cost of the so called secularism...

 

[jamahir]

@Kaniska

what i mean about "problem of indian muslims" is that since 1989 they began adopting anti-true-islam practices... adopting burqa and listening to mullahs... you have seen this all around you... this is the newer influence of the irani mullah, khomenei and the continued influence of the british-created tableeghi-jamaat/deobandi mullah movement ( deoband town in uttar pradesh )... indian "muslims" should have looked at the glorious examples of saddam's iraq, muammar gaddafi's libya, syria etc and organized themselves into progressive people... but indian "muslims" adopted all the wrong examples... fake-muslim practices... and this is why i put indian "muslims" in double-quote.

but for better human future, peoples of all religions should discard mysticism... prayers, rituals, fatalistic faith in god etc... i have speaking of post-religion post-money humanity based on socialism... as example, when humans settle on planet mars after 2025, what should be the political/social arrangement in which they should live... it should be scientific because the settlers will be of various former nationalities and cultures... the only logical arrangement is communism... please do read those two links.

 

[Kaniska]

@Kaniska

what i mean about "problem of indian muslims" is that since 1989 they began adopting anti-true-islam practices... adopting burqa and listening to mullahs... you have seen this all around you... this is the newer influence of the irani mullah, khomenei and the continued influence of the british-created tableeghi-jamaat/deobandi mullah movement ( deoband town in uttar pradesh )... indian "muslims" should have looked at the glorious examples of saddam's iraq, muammar gaddafi's libya, syria etc and organized themselves into progressive people... but indian "muslims" adopted all the wrong examples... fake-muslim practices... and this is why i put indian "muslims" in double-quote.

but for better human future, peoples of all religions should discard mysticism... prayers, rituals, fatalistic faith in god etc... i have speaking of post-religion post-money humanity based on socialism... as example, when humans settle on planet mars after 2025, what should be the political/social arrangement in which they should live... it should be scientific because the settlers will be of various former nationalities and cultures... the only logical arrangement is communism... please do read those two links.

Makes sense..again..as my argument about Muslims is not about my perception to Muslims in per se...So do not misinterpret it....I love India to have my Muslim friends as my fellow citizens like me...My concern to Muslims and their priorities is same to even my own state or community people where preference over nation is overlapped with any other preferences..

Coming to the debate of influence of Indian Muslims, i will go by your logic..i do not know much side of the histroy...as an outsider to the Islamic religion, I oppose the vein in public space for Hindu women as well as Muslim women too in India...For me, it is just does not look right in India...

 

[itachiii]

Evil Indians hated by all neighbors. Lucky China is here to encircle and take down the elephant.

let me tell u smethng mr.facepalm , dragon is a myth while elephant is a reality.

 

[Star Wars]

Deep state threatens India’s national unity | Arab News

SEEMA SENGUPTA

Indian Premier Narendra Modi’s fervent appeal to the international leadership to wholeheartedly reject any linkage between religion and terrorism, while formulating a genuine partnership in the fight against terror perpetrators must have left every sane Indian perplexed. Known for his no-holds-barred anti-Muslim tirades, Modi’s virtual about-turn is nothing but a conscious attempt to conceal a horrendous politico-religious agenda that his government and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have unleashed on an inherently secular India. And some of India’s brightest security minds have been effectively converted into suitable fulcrum for securing the support of the strategic intelligence community to initiate a vicious anti-Muslim propaganda.

The ultimate objective is to establish Hindu-supremacy across South Asia and provide the Hindu nationalists with necessary impetus for pushing the Indian Muslims to the wall so much so that they are forced to seek refuge under the saffron umbrella. That an administration led by Modi will be without an anti-Muslim tinge is absolutely unimaginable. The atmosphere of fear and suspicion that is being gradually build-up in the name of Muslim infiltration from neighboring Bangladesh, for example, is a prelude to raising the bogey of “Hinduism under threat from Islam,” albeit tangentially. The systematic dissemination of disinformation about Bangladeshi-Muslim infiltrators gobbling up Indian land and job with the help of provincial administration brings back memories of a sensational report submitted to the Indian president by a retired military officer, while serving as the governor of a northeastern Indian state decades ago.

This sustained, yet, unfounded propaganda has helped create a false impression in people’s mind that Muslim exodus from Bangladesh will force New Delhi to surrender a large tract of territories to Dhaka sometime in the future. Little do the ordinary citizens realize this disinformation campaign — remotely controlled by Modi’s extra-constitutional “Deep State” — has a hidden political agenda of securing the entrenchment of Hindutva forces in India’s eastern political landscape. Keeping pace with the BJP’s frantic effort to impose a Hindu national identity, the Indian Home Ministry is also corroborating the Hindutva asseveration of a plot to produce profound demographic changes along the frontier for facilitating the creation of a mythical “Greater Bangladesh.”

The flight of migrants from Bangladesh (including some identity-less Rohingyas) is no longer seen in the context of natural movement of poor to a relatively affluent place in search of livelihood. Fertile brains in India’s security establishment assist the Hindu nationalist discourse by mindlessly identifying these hapless impoverished people as crucial pawns for the creation of pockets of mini-Pakistan within India. Such discreet propaganda war is making some people’s (including scribes and intelligentsia) imagination run riot. They are not even sparing a democratically elected Mamata Banerjee’s government in West Bengal. Without providing an iota of credible proof Mamata is being roundly accused by this section of hobnobbing with anti-national elements. The local media is full of sensational stories nowadays, planted by Modi’s “Deep State,” which insinuates about Mamata’s so-called link with “Greater Bangladesh” proponents.

Intriguing it is that the same over-assertive media shows little interest in highlighting the true historical perspective of “Greater Bangladesh” — which in today’s context is a myth and has no connection with aspirations of territorial expansion to create a strategic buffer zone. Originally, it was linked to a pre-independence effort to prevent Bengal’s partition along religious lines in order to preserve the province’s socioeconomic prosperity. This very idea of a sovereign “United-Bengal,” proposed by political stalwarts like Shaheed Suhrawardy, Sarat Chandra Bose and Kiran Shankar Ray is now being extrapolated to cleverly chalk-out a fictitious narrative of radical Muslims trying to carve-out a Greater Islamic Bangladesh, inimical to India’s core strategic interest.

Unfortunately, Modi’s “deep state” actors, who have manipulated the 2014 electoral-coup of Hindu nationalists clandestinely, shows no inhibition in mixing the nation’s strategic interests with that of the parochial agenda of BJP. Not many are even aware that it is due to these shadowy peoples’ (comprising retired intelligence professionals, soldiers, bureaucrats, academic intellectuals, entrepreneurs and even self-proclaimed saints) tremendous effort the Hindu middle-class, high and mighty in the Indian industry as well as a large section of the expatriate community have become Modi’s fellow travelers in establishing Hindu-majoritarianism. Most worryingly, Modi’s “Deep State” aides are not only ruining India’s unique secular social fabric by abetting the Hindutva ideal of subordinating the sensitivities of minority communities to the destiny of Hindu majorities, they are sowing the seeds of hatred in a sensitive border region too. It is not that the Muslims are the sole sufferers. A Christian leader of the BJP in the western Indian State of Goa is the latest victim of religious apartheid practiced by Hindutva ideologues as he was deprived of Chief Ministership because of his faith. Perhaps it is time, the nation wakes up to the dual danger of majoritarianism and a flourishing extra-constitutional secrecy industry strengthening the already embedded anti-democratic power structure within Modi regime.

Unless confronted, this very smoky edifice — having its root in ultra-Hindu-nationalism, anti-minoritism, anti-liberalism and crony-corporatism — operating beneath the veneer of democracy will ruin India’s secular ethos and unity in no time. After all, the Hindu nationalist forces, since pre-independence days, have a history of subverting mainstream nationalism. While Veer Savarkar, a Hindu nationalist, gave a call for militarizing the Hindus to reinforce British effort of suppressing Mahatma Gandhi’s non-violent struggle, there is documentary evidence of BJP ideologue Syama Prasad Mookerjee’s advice to the Imperial Bengal Governor on possible ways of breaking the morale of freedom fighters.

Holy crap...

 

[dray]

It is deep bias that enables Sindhi Hindus to acquire citizenship but does not allow Bengali Muslims to do the same. India is indeed not a secular state but a Hindu state. I have noticed this constantly. Its people do not have the psyche of secular people and ideology.

India may claim to be secular but it is a Hindu state with only limited rights provided to the Muslim and other communities.

Pakistani and Bangladeshi Hindus are persecuted because they are in Muslim countries (officially) and they seek refuge here, the refuge is given on humanitarian ground, but this can't apply to the Muslims of the two Muslim countries, can it?

And no question of "Rights" here, no foreigner can come to India and stay here illegaly without necessary permission, and the rule is same in your country too.

 

[mujhaidind]

because most present indian muslims are like @mujhaidind whose life did not go beyond very hindu activities like prayers, rituals, college-degree, marriage and wage-slavery... these people don't have ambition of good quality of life... they don't know what freedom means.

you know, in the southern city of mangalore, the hinduvaadi goon gang, ram sena, has been doing "moral policing" for many years... but what do the "muslim" female youth do there... they fight with school and college managements for their "religious" right to wear burqa.

this is the kind of muslim iqbal spoke against a hundred years ago.

that is why modi became prime minister... due to apathy of most indian "muslims"

truly?? is @mujhaidind a socialist??

Beta there is no thing such as a Socialist Muslim. You are just a plain kafir. Your idol gadafi was a kafir too.

 

[gau8av]

lol

 

[jamahir]

Beta there is no thing such as a Socialist Muslim. You are just a plain kafir. Your idol gadafi was a kafir too.

chacha.. tell us what you did in your ban period?? pity it is that you were not born when the mongols were eradicating hashisheen like you...

 

[mujhaidind]

chacha.. tell us what you did in your ban period?? pity it is that you were not born when the mongols were eradicating hashisheen like you...

Are your genuinely retarded or just trying to troll?

Socialism and Islam have different ideologies. Both are not compatible you dumb and ugly fool.