Debunking India's Military supremacy claims

[Safriz]

Indian claims of thrust vectoring busted.
Reactive fluid injection evident here. Not gimbaled nozzles as India claims.
First picture is of Agni-3 second stage showing an injector nozzle
Second is gas leakage from K-15

@Kinetic @amardeep mishra @The Deterrent @Nilgiri @Gessler

My new find

 

[Safriz]

@Mrc @HRK

 

[HRK]

When you know that you are inferior to your enemy and you could not do much...you start 'underestimating' your enemy and 'debunking' your enemy's supremacy.

100% agreed with your conclusion

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=fake+missile+test+of+pakistan

 

[Safriz]

Indian Anti ballistic missile system depends on Swordfish Radar for detection and tracking.
The swordfish radar is a derivative of Israeli green pine radar.
The green pine radar cannot track anything flying above Mach 8.8.
All Pakistani missiles fly at a higher speed than Mach 8.8 except cruise missiles and Nasr.

 

[Penguin]

Indian Anti ballistic missile system depends on Swordfish Radar for detection and tracking.
The swordfish radar is a derivative of Israeli green pine radar.
The green pine radar cannot track anything flying above Mach 8.8.
All Pakistani missiles fly at a higher speed than Mach 8.8 except cruise missiles and Nasr.

Is that so?


"The radar can detect targets at ranges up to about 500 km and is able to track targets up to speeds over 3,000 m/s."
http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/06.missile/karte001.en.html

"The radar can detect targets at ranges up to about 500km and is able to track targets up to speeds over 3,000m/s."
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/arrow2/
Note mach 9 = 3 062.61 m / s
(3000 meters = 9842.52 feet)

"An interim radar upgrade for the Arrow system—the Super Green Pine—has already been tested. Its power, discrimination and range are well in excess of the standard Green Pine's 300-mi.-plus range and its ability to track more than 30 targets moving at speeds greater than 10,000 ft. per sec."
http://aviationweek.com/awin/higher-altitude-arrow-design-show-its-potential
10000 feet = 3048 meters

 

[Safriz]

Is that so?


"The radar can detect targets at ranges up to about 500 km and is able to track targets up to speeds over 3,000 m/s."
http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/06.missile/karte001.en.html

"The radar can detect targets at ranges up to about 500km and is able to track targets up to speeds over 3,000m/s."
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/arrow2/
Note mach 9 = 3 062.61 m / s
(3000 meters = 9842.52 feet)

"An interim radar upgrade for the Arrow system—the Super Green Pine—has already been tested. Its power, discrimination and range are well in excess of the standard Green Pine's 300-mi.-plus range and its ability to track more than 30 targets moving at speeds greater than 10,000 ft. per sec."
http://aviationweek.com/awin/higher-altitude-arrow-design-show-its-potential
10000 feet = 3048 meters

So what's the fuss?
Its still mach 8.8 as i stated?
All shaheen series have Reentry speeds way beyond that.

 

[Penguin]

So what's the fuss?
Its still mach 8.8 as i stated?
All shaheen series have Reentry speeds way beyond that.

Since you stated "The green pine radar cannot track anything flying above Mach 8.8" you were incorrect as you ignore that these sources list trackable target speeds of OVER mach 8.8. And it doesn't say how much OVER mach 8.8 (which means it could be mach 9 but also mach 10 or even higher). That pretty obvious IMHO.

 

[Safriz]

Since you stated "The green pine radar cannot track anything flying above Mach 8.8" you were incorrect as you ignore that these sources list trackable target speeds of OVER mach 8.8. And it doesn't say how much OVER mach 8.8 (which means it could be mach 9 but also mach 10 or even higher). That pretty obvious IMHO.

The phrase you quoted says "Up to Speeds over mach 8.8" it doesn't say "Over mach 8.8".
I guess former is correct , looking at the surface areas of missile warheads .
Pakistani Shaheen-3 warhead has surface area of 2.88 Meter square. Not easy to detect or track.

 

[kṣamā]

The phrase you quoted says "Up to Speeds over mach 8.8" it doesn't say "Over mach 8.8".
I guess former is correct , looking at the surface areas of missile warheads .
Pakistani Shaheen-3 warhead has surface area of 2.88 Meter square. Not easy to detect or track.

Common man stop with the misinformation already. I just explained you in the other thread, it dose not need to track anything above 8.8Mach. Now don't go ahead and say the missile goes 0 to 8.9 Mach in stealth mode. You are seriously stooping to new lows.

Also the there is nothing called stealth warhead. The moment the first stage ignites, anyone with a decent satellite surveillance can detect it. We won't even need a space asset, green pines would be raising red flags even b4 the first stage burns out. And during/after reentry even a commercial grade IR camera can pick it up. For Christ sake it's burning through the atmosphere at hundreds of degree celcius, any IR worth its salt can locate it. You can throw a God damn Black Bird from that altitude and any nation on this planet earth can track it with their IR sensors. You don't even need a radar.

 

[Penguin]

The phrase you quoted says "Up to Speeds over mach 8.8" it doesn't say "Over mach 8.8".
I guess former is correct , looking at the surface areas of missile warheads .
Pakistani Shaheen-3 warhead has surface area of 2.88 Meter square. Not easy to detect or track.

I gave 3 quotes. I believe Aviation week's quote to be the grammatically correct one.

Aviation week said:

"An interim radar upgrade for the Arrow system—the Super Green Pine—has already been tested. Its power, discrimination and range are well in excess of the standard Green Pine's 300-mi.-plus range and its ability to track more than 30 targets moving at speeds greater than 10,000 ft. per sec."
http://aviationweek.com/awin/higher-altitude-arrow-design-show-its-potential
detection range: 300-mi plus (more than 300 mi)
simultaneous tracking ability: 30 plus moving target (more than 30 moving targets)
target speed: greater than 10000 feet / sec ( = 3048 meters / sec)

 

[Safriz]

India to continue testing K-4 on pontoons as Arihant not ready to carry missiles yet

 

[John Reese]

India to continue testing K-4 on pontoons as Arihant not ready to carry missiles yet

And you have any the inside knowledge about super classified project

 

[Bhupendra Singh_Cyan]

Or we can look at it using this logic, PAF has to attack a country with a area of 3.1 million where as IAF has to attack a country with an area of a mere 0.86 million

India need to attack Punjab and sindh and all their forces will be shattered or in panic before they Think of using a nuke.

PAF is so tiny that it has only 156 4th gen fighters.
Whereas IAF has 342 4th gen fighters

Outdated f-16's should also be not counted. Block 52 I suppose is the latest and best they got with alien pilot skills then can shoot 10mki's with 1 of that plane

 

[Safriz]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indian-second-strike-capability-under-gunned-and-underwhelming.481934

 

[Asian.Century]

Other than mocked out loud India....the whole world has known the constant lies, coverups and plain misstatements coming from Indian media, military brass and indian governemnt....the whole kept on laughing on Indians.