Debunking Indian forces' Story of Kashmir IED Terror bid

[GHALIB]

As per indian media, indian security forces prevented a massive car bomb attack in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama on Wednesday night after they stopped a vehicle carrying 40-45 kg of improvised explosive device (IED).

Below is the released picture and still-grab from released video. Let's analyse it further to see if it adds up.



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As per statements released of indian officials by indian media

Based on intelligence inputs, a white Hyundai Santro car with a fake registration number was signalled to stop at a check point on Wednesday night, but it tried to accelerate and go through the barricade, the police said.

"The security forces opened fire. The driver managed to escape, leaving behind the car laden with IED," Inspector General of Police Vijay Kumar said. "We got intelligence about a possible attack. We were looking for a vehicle with IED since yesterday," he added.

Director General of Police Dilbag Singh said.

"It (car) was kept under watch for the night. People in nearby houses were evacuated and the vehicle was destroyed on site by the bomb disposal squad as moving it would have been a serious threat,"

Now let's add it up. They were looking for it from yesterday, hence on high alert and prepared. He went through the barricade, running it down. Security forces opened fire and he managed to escape on foot, leaving behind the car. They didn't move the car and let the bomb squad destroy the vehicle on site where it was left.

If we analyse the video and released picture, car is parked on the dirt road, next to main road. The person driving left it that way and the security forces didn't move it. Does it look like the parking, that some one on the run left in hurry? In the picture no damage seen on the front of the car as it ran down the barricade of checkpoint. Was the checkpoint barricade made up of cotton? Only two bullet holes on windshield, when dozens of soldiers are present at the checkpoint. And after a perfect parking off the main road and car in good condition the person managed to ran away on foot!

That's how a car looks like after running down a standard low quality barricade in India. Now i don't think in Kashmir they are using such barricades, even if they are then still car is in too perfect condition.

It doesn't add up. They just introduced the variable in the picture, i see it as buildup for something big.

@Foxtrot Alpha @PanzerKiel

great job done by indian army .

 

[PanzerKiel]

I dont know whats the rear number plate of the vehicle is doing under the IED drum.....i mean by not installing the rear plate on the car, the driver was rather making his car suspicious and attracting LEA attention.

YOu may see that the real plate is not visible in other pictures as well.....

 

[HAIDER]

Heres my take based on your assessment & Qs:

• Car went through two barricades - Oddly enough comes straight through with no damage to the front bumper lip, headlights or the fender. Picture reference already in 1st Post
• tyres flat....(spike strip maybe or bullets) - If Vehicle was driven over Spikes, then front tyres would have bursted too, here in this case only rear tyres are bursts. So Bullets fired at them possibly
  
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• rear windscreen shattered (possible due to bullets) - I doubt about that Sir, Shattered window is consistent with damage from Batons / hitting with Buttstock of Weapon instead of bullets. Also if you notice there are no sign of Bullet entry on the body, even the rear lamps are undamaged Lets assume CPRF / Police / LEA were some pro SharpShooters and managed to hit the rear windscreen with Bullets, then no exit sign on the front window, apart from 2 bullet entry holes at the front.
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• explosives in a drum on the back seat - IED is being taken to the target area for attack & yet doesn't explode even after hitting multiple barricades, blastwave from bullets being spray at the vehicle (I assume). Oh yeah, how can i forget Harsh braking, even that didn't make the IED explode. What a pathetic IED specialist
  
• 2 Shots to the front windscreen - Shot at the driver head, possibly looking for a headshot, lands a little to the left of driver's head....so either target was Dynamic or the Shooter....or somebody cooked up. The shot to the passenger seat, Critical Area....idk why you waste a bullet on the empty seat especially when you know that Bullet would penetrate and hit the IED in the back seat ....

Few more points.
Back door glass should be totally shattered instead it is in one peace. Seems someone has used hard material to knock down back shield .
Bullets been fired from very close range on front windshield. Used some pistol not some automatic weapon. And only two bullets ???? ...per claim security forces opened fire.. like barrage of bullets....
Back tired seems nicely punctured. Otherwise, we all know what happens to back tire when it burst on high speed or bullet ridden tire.
As per Indian claim 50 kg explosive , nowhere to found....
Well, it all joke ...

 

[Amaa'n]

So even the Land of Bollywood has such poor knowledge of how to stage a suspect car fleeing through barricades that they left so many plot holes for everyone to claim "false flag".

This proves that R&AW is a pathetic organisation with no real world intelligence and pathetic evidence concealing techniques. Undeserving of whatever money we spend on them.

We are not calling this a Botched up operation, all we are saying is The story narrated by Pulce & The actual evidence presented doesn't match up, so someone is lying....either the Pulce or the Evidence presented....
SO, you anyone has anything they wish to add to refute our claims, please do so. We will welcome a healthy debate

 

[BL33D]

We are not calling this a Botched up operation, all we are saying is The story narrated by Pulce & The actual evidence presented doesn't match up, so someone is lying....either the Pulce or the Evidence presented....
SO, you anyone has anything they wish to add to refute our claims, please do so. We will welcome a healthy debate

Real life incidents dont always comport to what you would expect in an ideal scenario. At least that much should be kept in mind when people extrapolate and make extraordinary claims.

If you read carefully what people have commented, nearly anything and everything can be termed a false flag. Give me a case and I will bring out inconsistencies and motives for it being a false flag.

 

[Amaa'n]

Few more points.
Back door glass should be totally shattered instead it is in one peace. Seems someone has used hard material to knock down back shield .
Bullets been fired from very close range on front windshield. Used some pistol not some automatic weapon. And only two bullets ???? ...per claim security forces opened fire.. like barrage of bullets....
Back tired seems nicely punctured. Otherwise, we all know what happens to back tire when it burst on high speed.
As per Indian claim 50 kg explosive , nowhere to found....
Well, it all joke ...

Ah I forgot to address the Bullet type, i meant to. but multitasking got to me...
Yes that doesn't appear to be AK or 7.62x 51 round,

either 5.56 or 9mm

with reference to Rear window, than use of a baton like this will give you similar result.

Real life incidents dont always comport to what you would expect in an ideal scenario. At least that much should be kept in mind when people extrapolate and make extraordinary claims.

If you read carefully what people have commented, nearly anything and everything can be termed a false flag. Give me a case and I will bring out inconsistencies and motives for it being a false flag.

IDK about @Ace of Spades (sorry bro, idk your background ) but two "Professionals" including myself have debunked this story, we are not some kid in 20s probably doing work at Uni. Whatever is said here is actually from Field Experience, we know the ground realities and the stories that get cooked up.

So I humbly suggest that you answer our query instead of taking shot at the O.P or others

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

we know the ground realities and the stories that get cooked up.

 

[HAIDER]

Ah I forgot to address the Bullet type, i meant to. but multitasking got to me...
Yes that doesn't appear to be AK or 7.62x 51 round,

either 5.56 or 9mm

with reference to Rear window, than use of a baton like this will give you similar result.

IDK about @Ace of Spades (sorry bro, idk your background ) but two "Professionals" including myself have debunked this story, we are not some kid in 20s probably doing work at Uni. Whatever is said here is actually from Field Experience, we know the ground realities and the stories that get cooked up.

So I humbly suggest that you answer our query instead of taking shot at the O.P or others

Next time they need to visit PDF to learn proper staging ... imagine the Indian armed forces professionalism ... very sloppy....

 

[Amaa'n]

I dont know whats the rear number plate of the vehicle is doing under the IED drum.....i mean by not installing the rear plate on the car, the driver was rather making his car suspicious and attracting LEA attention.

YOu may see that the real plate is not visible in other pictures as well.....

Pulce said that Vehicle number plate was fake or probably stolen...the guy is going out to blow the car, yet passes through two barricades, and idiot didn't think about exploding it up at the C.P or Crashing it into the Cops & Then explode

guilty as charged

 

[PanzerKiel]

Pulce said that Vehicle number plate was fake or probably stolen...the guy is going out to blow the car, yet passes through two barricades, and idiot didn't think about exploding it up at the C.P or Crashing it into the Cops & Then explode

Allegedly, the target was a CRPF convoy of about 20-25 vehicle with a approx 400 body count

Allegedly, the target was a CRPF convoy of about 20-25 vehicle with a approx 400 body count

...with a normal capacity of 20 soldiers in a 5 Ton military truck, it is being reported that VBIED was probably aimed to destroy almost 20 military trucks ....

moving in a convoy with maybe 20 meters spacing atleast....blast radius of almost 400 meters.... i hope there wasnt a Low Yield Nuke in there.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Indians are good at the LOC....

Indians are failing at the LAC...

So, they're shifting to the LOC...

*The Indian NSA's expertise lies in training terrorists and using them to kill innocent folks

 

[Ivan]

...the guy is going out to blow the car, yet passes through two barricades, and idiot didn't think about exploding it up at the C.P or Crashing it into the Cops & Then explode

I second this observation that they didn`t think of killing the LEA personnel present on the checkpost.

Here are some of my observations:

1. When a terrorist is driving an explosives laden vehicle, his only aim is to kill and die in the process. There are numerous cases of suicide bombers who when were stopped by a single policeman or soldier, they blew themselves up to at least get the job done to an extent and not be apprehended. But these terrorists were not aiming to get "Shaheed" or blow themselves up. Instead they wanted to live and chose escape over death which is very strange.

2. As the car was approaching checkpost, the terrorists didn`t open fire to engage the personnel neither they returned a single fire when the checkpost fired WARNING SHOTS which is quite perplexing. But the warning shots had such an impact that the terrorists turned away car from first checkpost and again when warning shots were fired on the 2nd checkpost, the terrorists could not hold their senses together and fled the scene by leaving the car. I guess they were only playing hide & seek and not intent on killing anyone.
BUT. IF ONLY WARNING SHOTS WERE FIRED, WHO SHOT AT THE WINDSCREEN AND THE CAR TYRES?

3. Ok so the terrorists turned away the car and fled the scene but on foot. Now these terrorists had no guns or assault rifles on them as is evident from the fact that they didn`t fire at the security on checkpost, neither any type of weapon, bullets or magazines were found inside the car except an IED. The sponsoring authority of this attack was so penniless that they could not afford to buy them weapons. Similarly, not a single suicide jacket let alone grenades.

This shows that they were simply bringing the vehicle to the checkpost to be staged in the drama of Pulwama.

4. If I were on the checkpost and firing at the car, I would spray them with bullets...That could have exploded the car in my face? Well, ok, then I would have taken very precise headshots through a sharpshooter as the Indian personnel have done. But again, how come these terrorists can escape such a sharpshooter especially when they are running on foot?

5. Fine, the terrorists ran at the speed of light and left behind everything. But these terrorists were sitting in the car and driving it all the way. They had left their sweat and smell in the car that could have been traced through dogs. But it was not done. They let the terrorists run away.

6. The car was driven, means there were fingerprints all over the dashboard and steering wheel. Why were those fingerprints not taken into account especially when the terrorists are alive and it could have helped in tracing them down?

7. Lastly, while the terrorists were exiting the vehicle very swiftly to save their lives, they didn`t forget the good manners and made sure none of the doors was left open. If I were in their place and in such a hurry, I would waste no time and get myself out ASAP which is I would just swing the door open and run away as normally happens when criminals try to flee from transport, instead of properly closing doors which takes time and thought. This shows that their top priority was not escape but the closing of doors that too when they were terrorists and security personnel were firing at them. Too much time to think.

 

[Baghial]

Heres my take based on your assessment & Qs:

• Car went through two barricades - Oddly enough comes straight through with no damage to the front bumper lip, headlights or the fender. Picture reference already in 1st Post
• tyres flat....(spike strip maybe or bullets) - If Vehicle was driven over Spikes, then front tyres would have bursted too, here in this case only rear tyres are bursts. So Bullets fired at them possibly
  
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• rear windscreen shattered (possible due to bullets) - I doubt about that Sir, Shattered window is consistent with damage from Batons / hitting with Buttstock of Weapon instead of bullets. Also if you notice there are no sign of Bullet entry on the body, even the rear lamps are undamaged Lets assume CPRF / Police / LEA were some pro SharpShooters and managed to hit the rear windscreen with Bullets, then no exit sign on the front window, apart from 2 bullet entry holes at the front.
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• explosives in a drum on the back seat - IED is being taken to the target area for attack & yet doesn't explode even after hitting multiple barricades, blastwave from bullets being spray at the vehicle (I assume). Oh yeah, how can i forget Harsh braking, even that didn't make the IED explode. What a pathetic IED specialist
  
• 2 Shots to the front windscreen - Shot at the driver head, possibly looking for a headshot, lands a little to the left of driver's head....so either target was Dynamic or the Shooter....or somebody cooked up. The shot to the passenger seat, Critical Area....idk why you waste a bullet on the empty seat especially when you know that Bullet would penetrate and hit the IED in the back seat ....

...1--------- the location of barricade? where the car was identified as terrorist driven?

2.........if , the car was fake numer plates.( who is real owner).


3......forensic,,, finger prints? any idea. of a petrol station where the car might have had fuel?

4.....how long was the chase from 1st barraicade, till the safe parking , distance?

5... gunshots only 2? did they injure the occupant? no he got away in dark?...... did indian forces followed the chase on foot?

6..ied ..load is between from different experts...........25.to 60kgs, nitroglycerine, trinitroglycerin (TNG), nitro, glyceryl trinitrate ..... whtever,

7........ time lapse of 1 day , car kept under watch( was it going to fly-or lay some eggs?)

next day bombsquad, blows it apart.

1........... MAN , SHOW, ENDS,

HOPE THEY HIRE Frederick Forsyth.. NEXT TIME FOR A BETTER SCENERIO

 

[BHarwana]

This car has not driven for days. If you see the rare rim in pics after the controlled blast it will show constraints of bending for car standing with flat tyres for quite some time. Lol it ran over a check post what a joke.

 

[Amaa'n]

This car has not driven for days. If you see the rare rim in pics after the controlled blast it will show constraints of bending for car standing with flat tyres for quite some time. Lol it ran over a check post what a joke.

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Can't make that claim, reason being the process will be accelerated if vehicle was weighted in at the rear for a short period