Debate in Pak Army over OBL raid

[fatman17]

I can understand your faith and love for Army, but by all accounts this army as an institution has never been professional... and maybe its the case with other armies as well...
I dont want to go into history(if you want me, will open a dedicated thread for that)

anyways, we all know that official stance of Army's WOT, and then OBL's existence right under its nose, says alot for those who want to speculate... and on and off we have heard from Amreeka that a segment sympathizes with terrorists, now what if the same sympathizers who allegedly also protected OBL, tried to take revenge from high command?

try talking some sense and not repeat what u read/see in the media esp pakistan /american media.

 

[Pioneerfirst]

any chance of revolt ?

All of us are always in hurry,such revolts have brought Pakistan to this position.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Are you talking about a revolt or a revolution? Both have different connotations.

 

[Mav3rick]

Well, whether it is a revolt or a revolution......something has to happen. The military is the ideal institution where it should start, once the military cleanses itself from the west loving, ease loving, office generals who indulge in alcohol and what not instead of religion it will be in a position to start cleaning our political leadership, bureaucracy, judiciary and media.

Ahh......I guess I dream of too much!

 

[Leader]

The whole Mushaf was going against Musharraf thing is utter , complete BS.
God knows what fiction writer came up with this.. and the very gullible or those fond of conspiracies eating it up .
Mushaf Ali mir is dead because the pilot of the F-27 had on previous occasions tried to show off his skills to the Chief.. and this time made others pay along with him. The approach to Kohat AB passes over a crevice between peaks.. which requires the pilot to maintain a safe altitude above it. In this case however. .. the pilot was well below safe altitude , tried to pass between the peaks.. was caught in a down draft.. and slammed into the mountain.
That is all that it is. plain and simple.

Kayani got his way up the ladder by being a good jeeves..
He was GOC during kargil.. although he was unhappy with the op.
kept his head down.. and did what the boss said.. that is how you make it up the ladder.
The ISI would have investigated the assassination attempt no matter who was there.
Instead of the cheap urdu daily type mirch masala stories.. please think reasonably.

mmmuahahahaha....... even some say this world is a conspiracy. I dont know your views on it though... but I have a guess

no wonder why our opponents call us for being in denial !

 

[Leader]

Well, whether it is a revolt or a revolution......something has to happen. The military is the ideal institution where it should start, once the military cleanses itself from the west loving, ease loving, office generals who indulge in alcohol and what not instead of religion it will be in a position to start cleaning our political leadership, bureaucracy, judiciary and media.

Ahh......I guess I dream of too much!

military is not the ruler of this country. dont make it look like Pakistan army vs pakistan Nation. our enemies want that...

 

[Jango]

a completely BS article, there is no such thing going on in the army. Officers gathering in the mess or the ante room and chatting or a while during which they finish their tea and smoke is not called revolt people!!!!..nothing like this going on in the army atm.

 

[mymeaningislion]

military is not the ruler of this country. dont make it look like Pakistan army vs pakistan Nation. our enemies want that...

brother are you army person if not then instead of tilting to negative side which you cannot prove try to be on positive side...... dont express ur self as you know what happened. as far as army and airforce is concerned they are doing their jobs....... but we as the nation have to do the job....... instead of sleeping and blamming others try to be a active and effecient part of society....... and create awareness and harmony let the people know their rights and obligation towards nation and more over to religion.......... takecare

 

[khurasaan1]

Debate in Pak Army over OBL raid


Published: May 20, 2011


WASHINGTON - A ‘raucous and broad’ internal debate is taking place within the Pakistan Army following the killing of Osama bin Laden this month in Abbottabad, as military leaders seek to overcome extraordinary public criticism as well as the “seething anger in barracks across the country” The Washington Post reported Thursday, citing unnamed Pakistani officers.

“Some of the outrage among the ranks stems from the fact that the Pakistani military failed to locate bin Laden or detect the stealth US raid on bin Laden’s compound, the newspaper said in a dispatch from Islamabad, according to officers and military analysts. But most of it is directed toward the United States, the dispatch said, a country, that, it underscores, has given billions of dollars to help sustain Pakistan’s counter-terrorism efforts but is now voicing rising concern that the country’s military is not dedicated to that fight.

The Post said Pakistani officers talk about the internal debate as “one that is unlikely to undermine the institution but that bodes poorly for US hopes of an expanded Pakistani effort against militants.”

To head off the discontent, the report pointed out Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani, made town-hall-style appearances last week at five garrisons across the country, “Where he faced barbed questions from officers about the raid.” After a 45-minute address to the 5th Corps in Karachi, Kayani took queries for three hours, the newspaper said from those who attended. Attendees said questioners focused on the perceived affront in Abbottabad — and why Pakistan, in the words of one officer, did not “retaliate,” it said.

“It’s never good for a military of that size to have a feeling of resentment,” retired Lt-Gen Talat Masood, a security analyst, was quoted as saying. The discovery of bin Laden, he added, “has stung them as much as it has stung the whole world.”
“Even so, no officers interviewed said the bin Laden killing had convinced them that Pakistan needs to work harder to find terrorists or shift the focus of its defence strategy from archenemy India,” according to the dispatch. Instead, some expressed hope that their superiors would stand up to the United States, by either cutting ties or extracting guarantees of an end to unilateral US actions.

Pakistan should “immediately suspend cooperation with the US,” said one officer in Pakistan’s north, who, like others interviewed, spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not allowed to speak publicly, the paper said. “In the lower ranks, anti-Americanism is at its highest.”

The United States, officers said, too rarely acknowledges that 140,000 Pakistani troops are deployed in the militant-riddled northwest, tasked with fighting fellow Muslims and compatriots. Nearly 3,000 Pakistani soldiers have been killed battling insurgents since 2001, according to the army. Recent accusations from Washington about Pakistani complicity with insurgents have prompted fresh reflections about that mission, they said.

“They want us to take out terrorists, and that’s what we are doing,” one lieutenant colonel was quoted as saying. “Look what’s happening in our cities — bombings everywhere. That’s the reaction for what we are doing.”

The bin Laden incident has also shaken Pakistan’s senior ranks, where debate about an army offensive against the militant Haqqani network — which the United States has repeatedly requested — has raged for some time. Though the army still resists taking it on, the bin Laden killing has convinced some top generals that there needs to be “change all around,” the paper said, citing a person familiar with their thinking.

The OBL raid is totally CIA drama ....to malign the Pak Army.....to promote their secret agenda.....
and later their poodles within the Govt and Armed forces (especially Air force) tried to give them cover....and exposed/showed our inabilities in front of US.....to further deteriorate our Armed forces position......

 

[Donatello]

The ISI had upper hand with the Raymond Davis case. Until the OBL thing happened and everything was back to square one. It's okay guys, because we cannot and should not trust those who earn their paychecks by having false identities and telling lies.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

okay genius for muft mashwara !

Seriously-- you should learn some manners. In your zeal to outshine everyone else -- you forgot the basic - the art of listening and respecting others and their opinions.

We can differ with each other in our views but let us keep this on a civilized level.

 

[GOD OF WAR]

Are we absolutely, positively, entirely, utterly, totally, thoroughly, and comprehensively SURE, that it was indeed OBL who was killed in Abottabad????

 

[GOD OF WAR]

The author is mistaking Pakistan Army with Luxemborg Army. (no offence to Luxemburg)

 

[Leader]

Seriously-- you should learn some manners. In your zeal to outshine everyone else -- you forgot the basic - the art of listening and respecting others and their opinions.

We can differ with each other in our views but let us keep this on a civilized level.

I dont know how come you couldnot see fatman's statement

try talking some sense and not repeat what u read/see in the media esp pakistan /american media.

whats wrong with my statement that fatman cannot reply in a civilized manner ???

I can understand your faith and love for Army, but by all accounts this army as an institution has never been professional... and maybe its the case with other armies as well...
I dont want to go into history(if you want me, will open a dedicated thread for that)

anyways, we all know that official stance of Army's WOT, and then OBL's existence right under its nose, says alot for those who want to speculate... and on and off we have heard from Amreeka that a segment sympathizes with terrorists, now what if the same sympathizers who allegedly also protected OBL, tried to take revenge from high command?

though I was in good mood, and didnt follow the strategy I used upon you.

anyways, thanxs for another muft mashwara.

 

[Leader]

Are we absolutely, positively, entirely, utterly, totally, thoroughly, and comprehensively SURE, that it was indeed OBL who was killed in Abottabad????

our army, our government believes that it was OBL that was killed in Abattabad.