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It's a report, it's not news. If it had been based on facts it would have been news. There's a difference between the two.
If journalists weren't free to criticize the army then Hamid Mir and Najam Sethi should have met the sack a long time ago.
My last argument still stands in this regard, PROVE that he was killed by the agencies or the military.
At that time, Drone attacks were a part of a covert op to get high priority militant targets without having to launch a military offensive in the tribal areas. As long as the military was in power, only 9 drone strikes occurred which show that this weapon was reserved for targets that were of high priority and confirmed by intel.
After Musharraf left and ISI/CIA relations deteriorated, the Americans began using the drones based on their own intel and will. Thus the increase in frequency of attacks.
And please do not distort facts. Although his family alleged at the time of his death that he was killed by the government. Local insurgents later admitted that they killed him because he was an alleged American spy.
Examples of facts twisted by the Army ?
They repost videos available on the web, I will have to post this on the net before showing it to you. It presents a considerable risk.
I need not waste my time. We showed it to journalists from far and wide and they concur with our assessment that the footage is doctored.
You can find plenty of propaganda posters on this as well, tell you what. Get any pathan on this forum, TaimiKhan will be a good choice and ask him about these claims. Anyone living in those areas will testify that the Taliban made considerable use of these for propaganda reasons.
1) By achieving 15% of their objectives it means that they met 15% of the operational workload. The rest has to be met by ground forces and political forces, it doesn't refer to destroying targets. It refers to completing the op.
2) The objective of calling in an Airstrike is not to "Kill Terrorists" rather to destroy their positions so that they cannot use them to ambush military and civilian convoys.
3) These stats are post-Talks. Before the breakdown of the Nizam-e-adal, there had not been a single military action against the terrorists in Swat.
1) Why do we find TTP terrorists hiding in our communities ? For the simple reason that it is easier to blend in, otherwise there is no shortage of mountains in Pakistan either.
2) Present 1 case where the PAF struck a populated area ? Priority-targets were always cleared through ground op, even though it cost us in terms of men and material.
I understood you the first time and I said that I unless the SC orders us to observe this clause, military detainees are not allowed to exercise this right. These are prisoners of war, they are not your common criminals.
Thank you for repeating, I said before that the intel agencies are legally allowed to detain suspects as long as need be without warrant if they are thought to present a threat to the nation. This practice is not peculiar to Pakistan but is practised globally.
Like I said before, our society vest a certain degree of authority in our agencies to protect them. The information these people hide is necessary for the protection of our people and if they share it willingly, they are rewarded. If not, then steps have to be taken to extract that information. You cannot criticize JUST the ISI or CIA or MI6 or Mosaad or FSB on this. It is a part of the global method for extraction of information.
I need not study the Abu-Zubaida case because the victim was not tortured by our agencies even after co-operating. What the CIA does is for the Americans to defend or denounce.
Like I said, the attack on parade lane was a military case and the accused was an adult. He has most probably been sentenced by a military tribunal.
1) She was an American citizen and is thus subject to American laws.
2) She was not taken from Pakistan, rather she was taken from Afghanistan as confirmed by her former husband.
3) She was a fanatic as she divorced her husband for not going to Afghanistan to fight ISAF and married a recognized terrorist.
Do a bit of research on this issue, you will find that things are different from how politicians paint it.
bbc.....if supported by proofs its a news other wise report.....wow i didn't know that ...what a difference....your arguement is self evident,weak and lame....simply if bbc reports good its good and if reports bad its bad(self percieved)...i find no reason to disblieve bbc
hamid mir...........i said a journalist who reported indepently from tribal area unfortunately najim sethi e.g dosen't fall in that line.....saleem shehzad does
video.....sorry i can't belive you unless you upload that.........you have enough time to negate me by sitting here but don't have 5 minutes to write description and give proof....if it is uploaded than provide link.............risk! a joke..............
drone attacks............so you admitted army lied..........in covert ops it is legal to lie even ISPR can lie? a shameful act by ISPR.....leadership targeted in 7 drones....now they are targeting population?? even now they are targeting leadership...don't know how many leaders killed in last 1 years???? a frantic try to defend but failed...........so why army lied to nation while america from the very first said they did it what a covert op????
hayat khan???????????? what happened to him??????????you missed it and then demanded proof of distorted facts what a sane argument.........
15%..........so airforce work was 15% ok? they are still bombing in orkzai and kurram cleared by army so army lied because even 15% wasn,t achieved........
no answer about targeting leadership in populations e.g sararogha, makeen etc?????????
you said it yourself there are leaders hiding in population being targeted by drones, same can be said of ttp, were they targeted???? if yes then what about collateral damage????
example of PAF hitting..........are you joking......sararogha, makeen, ladha, orkzai and there are many more
missing persons............my dear in this case sc ordered agencies to produce the accused but order was defied..........result ISI is above the law you didn't answer even a single concern?
torture..............simply agencies are granted carte blanche to use whatever means to extract information correct me if i m wrong...
all agencies around the world use torture.......it proves my point........difference between cia and isi???????
military tribunal...............has it been constituted?????
dr afia..........just one question all numerous reports about afia capture from karachi are "reports"
published by "non bonafide" source or i think these reports were propaganda insued by talibans????
what about the account of her mother and sister????are they playing in taliban hands????
sorry i missed saleem shehzad............give me one single reason why i believe he was not killed by agencies??........one single reason
bbc.....if supported by proofs its a news other wise report.....wow i didn't know that ...what a difference....your arguement is self evident,weak and lame....simply if bbc reports good its good and if reports bad its bad(self percieved)...i find no reason to disblieve bbc
hamid mir...........i said a journalist who reported indepently from tribal area unfortunately najim sethi e.g dosen't fall in that line.....saleem shehzad does
video.....sorry i can't belive you unless you upload that.........you have enough time to negate me by sitting here but don't have 5 minutes to write description and give proof....if it is uploaded than provide link.............risk! a joke..............
drone attacks............so you admitted army lied..........in covert ops it is legal to lie even ISPR can lie? a shameful act by ISPR.....leadership targeted in 7 drones....now they are targeting population?? even now they are targeting leadership...don't know how many leaders killed in last 1 years???? a frantic try to defend but failed...........so why army lied to nation while america from the very first said they did it what a covert op????
hayat khan???????????? what happened to him??????????you missed it and then demanded proof of distorted facts what a sane argument.........
15%..........so airforce work was 15% ok? they are still bombing in orkzai and kurram cleared by army so army lied because even 15% wasn,t achieved........
no answer about targeting leadership in populations e.g sararogha, makeen etc?????????
you said it yourself there are leaders hiding in population being targeted by drones, same can be said of ttp, were they targeted???? if yes then what about collateral damage????
example of PAF hitting..........are you joking......sararogha, makeen, ladha, orkzai and there are many more
missing persons............my dear in this case sc ordered agencies to produce the accused but order was defied..........result ISI is above the law you didn't answer even a single concern?
torture..............simply agencies are granted carte blanche to use whatever means to extract information correct me if i m wrong...
all agencies around the world use torture.......it proves my point........difference between cia and isi???????
military tribunal...............has it been constituted?????
dr afia..........just one question all numerous reports about afia capture from karachi are "reports"
published by "non bonafide" source or i think these reports were propaganda insued by talibans????
what about the account of her mother and sister????are they playing in taliban hands????
sorry i missed saleem shehzad............give me one single reason why i believe he was not killed by agencies??........one single reason
The core reason PAKISTAN is facing a war inside is because WE ARE ALLIES in the war on terror. The day we STOP being ALLIES, I won't be against our army, who was supposed to safeguard us. Not $ell us for Dollar$. I don't want to PRAISE an army, where just "watching or uploading a taliban video" will get me labeled as a terrorist (an above post...)
Please, for a second, think from a different angle. WHY does a person willingly blow himself/herself up. And not just one? WHY does a person leave wealth, easy city life and go live in the mountains to fight a super power? I am not saying that they are necessarly right.. Just THINK with an OPEN mind and SEE if we are at fault too?
Remember, ALLAH will NOT ask YOU, Who was Mullah Omer or Osama bin Laden or TTP? He will ask us, WHAT did WE do when OUR brothers, sisters, children were being killed by Non muslims in Afghanistan (and now Pakistan). Did we support them? Or fought against them? Or sat quietly?
i think this will be my last post on this topic as honestly, I've not seen any positive outcome due to online/forums/chats etc. I also waste a lot of time which I could (and should) have used constructly somewhere else. Allah will also ask me about my time spent, and I fear I have no justification.
And I pray to Allah to help and guide us all! TTP, army, civilians, politicians etc etc and give us Hidaya. And help whoever is Right against the Wrong.
Ameen
Peace
Walaikum SalamAssalam-ua-laykum
bbc.....if supported by proofs its a news other wise report.....wow i didn't know that ...what a difference....your arguement is self evident,weak and lame....simply if bbc reports good its good and if reports bad its bad(self percieved)...i find no reason to disblieve bbc
hamid mir...........i said a journalist who reported indepently from tribal area unfortunately najim sethi e.g dosen't fall in that line.....saleem shehzad does
video.....sorry i can't belive you unless you upload that.........you have enough time to negate me by sitting here but don't have 5 minutes to write description and give proof....if it is uploaded than provide link.............risk! a joke..............
drone attacks............so you admitted army lied..........in covert ops it is legal to lie even ISPR can lie? a shameful act by ISPR.....leadership targeted in 7 drones....now they are targeting population?? even now they are targeting leadership...don't know how many leaders killed in last 1 years???? a frantic try to defend but failed...........so why army lied to nation while america from the very first said they did it what a covert op????
hayat khan???????????? what happened to him??????????you missed it and then demanded proof of distorted facts what a sane argument.........
15%..........so airforce work was 15% ok? they are still bombing in orkzai and kurram cleared by army so army lied because even 15% wasn,t achieved........
no answer about targeting leadership in populations e.g sararogha, makeen etc?????????
you said it yourself there are leaders hiding in population being targeted by drones, same can be said of ttp, were they targeted???? if yes then what about collateral damage????
example of PAF hitting..........are you joking......sararogha, makeen, ladha, orkzai and there are many more
missing persons............my dear in this case sc ordered agencies to produce the accused but order was defied..........result ISI is above the law you didn't answer even a single concern?
torture..............simply agencies are granted carte blanche to use whatever means to extract information correct me if i m wrong...
all agencies around the world use torture.......it proves my point........difference between cia and isi???????
A military tribunal and a military commission were established within the first week of the Parade Lane Incident to find out what went wrong, who was involved and bring the guilty to justice.military tribunal...............has it been constituted?????
dr afia..........just one question all numerous reports about afia capture from karachi are "reports"
published by "non bonafide" source or i think these reports were propaganda insued by talibans????
what about the account of her mother and sister????are they playing in taliban hands????
sorry i missed saleem shehzad............give me one single reason why i believe he was not killed by agencies??........one single reason
The statements of Jinnah seem to be not in tune with the present Constitution of Pakistan.The very fact that Pakistan is an Islamic Republic clears everything beyond any doubt that religion has a role to play in functioning of the state.
Stupid blind idiot supporter of terrorists watch this video ,you dont care of innocent blood which is on these terrorists hands
My request for underage and weak heart ppl is not to watch this video.
Taliban terrorists killing Innocent Civilians in Shaltalu pakistan - YouTube
These retarded blind religious zombies massacred several innocent civilians ,
Pak Army should bring them to Justice its his duty and MasAllah they are doing a very good job.
**** ttp dogs.
Chief of Army staff is another post that immediately comes to my mind.The very fact that one religion is chosen over other as state religion is also a big one.
Just for record, they were not innocent "civilians". The were policemen (as accepted by our government) killed by taliban who crossed the border from afghanistan (again, govt sources)
sorry i missed saleem shehzad............give me one single reason why i believe he was not killed by agencies??........one single reason
Just for record, they were not innocent "civilians". The were policemen (as accepted by our government) killed by taliban who crossed the border from afghanistan (again, govt sources)
Oh for God's sake!!! An infraction again!! Just from pointing out that the video didnt show civilian being killed but rather policemn. I never said if it's right (or wrong ).
Just because I don't believe a false propaganda, I am a bigot and a terrorist sympathizer...
Oh for God's sake!!! An infraction again!! Just from pointing out that the video didnt show civilian being killed but rather policemn. I never said if it's right (or wrong ).
Just because I don't believe a false propaganda, I am a bigot and a terrorist sympathizer...
1) He blows himself up because he has been brainwashed into thinking that by doing so, he will be eligible for an orgy with 72 virgins. Period.
2) Other than OBL, none of these bastards has "left wealth, etc, etc, etc" that was the case in the 80s against the Soviets. Now, these fighters come from the lower part of society. They are illiterate and have serious inferiority complexes, suddenly they find themselves feared by everyone. It's a dream come true for someone who until yesterday was just another farmhand or donkey cart repairman.
Walaikum Salam