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Deaths caused by British Empire should be condemned just like deaths under Stalin
Tomasz Pierscionek
is a medical doctor and social commentator on medicine, science, and technology.
5 Dec, 2019 16:30
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A family of semi-starved Indians who have arrived in Calcutta in search of food, November 22, 1943 © Getty Images / Keystone

Western historians who condemn the USSR for the deaths under Stalin’s dictatorship should shed a spotlight on the millions who died under British rule, including those in engineered famines across the Indian subcontinent.
The UK general election is a week away and a significant chunk of the country’s media, three-quarters of which is reportedly owned by a few billionaires, is hard at work digging up dirt on Jeremy Corbyn to prevent a Labour Party victory at all costs. However, this uphill task is becoming harder as recent polls show the frequently cited Conservative lead over Labour is rapidly decreasing. The possibility that Mr Corbyn will be Britain’s next prime minister, perhaps at the head of a minority government, is now grudgingly acknowledged.

When Corbyn launched Labour’s manifesto at the end of November, he pledged to conduct a formal enquiry into the legacy of the British Empire “to understand our contribution to the dynamics of violence and insecurity across regions previously under British colonial rule” and set up an organisation “to ensure historical injustice, colonialism, and role of the British Empire is taught in the national curriculum.”

The idea of teaching a population about the unsavoury aspects of its history, and in Britain’s case revealing how several of today’s geopolitical crises are rooted in the past folly and avarice-fuelled actions of its ruling class, is commendable.

It would be prudent to inform UK citizens about the British Empire’s divide and conquer tactics across the Indian subcontinent and Africa, the stirring up of Hindu-Muslim antagonism in the former, or the impact of the Sykes-Picot agreement that precipitated instability across the Middle East which continues to the present day. Doing so might enable the public to gain a better understanding of how past actions affect present realities, in turn making them more eager to hold contemporary politicians to account so past mistakes are not repeated. As Spanish philosopher George Santayana said: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

Some right-wingers may be quick to dismiss Corbyn’s manifesto promise as self-indulgent politically-correct onanism. Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage commented: “I don’t think I should apologise for what people did 300 years ago. It was a different world, a different time.” Yet, some of the violence perpetuated in the name of protecting the empire’s interests is not exactly ancient history, having occurred within living memory for some. The Malayan Emergency, Kenya’s Mau Mau uprising, the Suez Crisis, or the deployment of British troops to Northern Ireland are a few examples.

Segments of the intelligentsia may also feel unease at Corbyn’s manifesto promise, namely those academics who still view the British Empire as the UK’s legacy and ‘gift’ to the world. This includes those who, by extension, consider modern Britain (and the West in general) as bestowed with a cultural superiority that makes it the unchallenged arbiter of global affairs and the indisputable defender of ‘human rights’ and ‘democracy’, regardless of what these laudable terms have been corrupted into justifying. The invasion of Iraq, the destruction of Libya, and the civil wars in Syria and Ukraine are a few manifestations of Western intervention.

Some Western historians fall over themselves condemning the USSR for the millions who died under the dictatorship of Stalin, with a significant proportion of these victims perishing during famines. The people of the former Soviet Union need to come to terms with their history, just like any other country. In the meantime, Western historians should shine a spotlight closer to home. Engineered famines across the Indian subcontinent reportedly killed up to 29 million in the late 19th century and a further 3 million in 1943.

The Indian subcontinent was only one of the regions under British rule and the deaths mentioned above do not include those violently killed by occupying forces. Unlike the USSR, which kept oppression confined within its borders and those of neighbouring countries under its sphere of influence, Britain together with the American Empire (to which it handed over the baton of imperialism after WWII) has interfered on pretty much every continent except Antarctica. In modern times we see the UK, now a vassal of the US-led NATO empire, condemn nations that refuse to submit to Western hegemony.

Apologists for Empire claim it brought ‘progress’ such as railways, infrastructure, education, cricket, as well as free trade and order (i.e. Pax Britannica). Irrespective of whether such ‘gifts’ were appreciated by occupied nations, this line of reasoning opens up a dangerous precedent. For example, supporters of Stalin overlook his despotism by crediting him with rapidly industrializing an underdeveloped nation that later played a major role in defeating Nazism, bestowing upon him an honour that instead belongs to millions of rank and file soldiers, officers, and commanders of the Red Army.

During the time of the British Empire, as was the case with other European empires and many dictatorships, the majority of working people were not personally enriched by the plunder of imperialism and their descendants are not to blame for the actions of the former ruling class. Nevertheless, learning one’s history is the first step to understanding the present, ensuring today’s leaders are held to account, and preventing the same mistakes from being repeated.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/475113-british-empire-colonial-stalin-deaths/

Winston Churchill was similar to Adolf Hitler.
 
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Deaths caused by British Empire should be condemned just like deaths under Stalin
Tomasz Pierscionek
is a medical doctor and social commentator on medicine, science, and technology.
5 Dec, 2019 16:30
View attachment 592923 A family of semi-starved Indians who have arrived in Calcutta in search of food, November 22, 1943 © Getty Images / Keystone

Western historians who condemn the USSR for the deaths under Stalin’s dictatorship should shed a spotlight on the millions who died under British rule, including those in engineered famines across the Indian subcontinent.
The UK general election is a week away and a significant chunk of the country’s media, three-quarters of which is reportedly owned by a few billionaires, is hard at work digging up dirt on Jeremy Corbyn to prevent a Labour Party victory at all costs. However, this uphill task is becoming harder as recent polls show the frequently cited Conservative lead over Labour is rapidly decreasing. The possibility that Mr Corbyn will be Britain’s next prime minister, perhaps at the head of a minority government, is now grudgingly acknowledged.

When Corbyn launched Labour’s manifesto at the end of November, he pledged to conduct a formal enquiry into the legacy of the British Empire “to understand our contribution to the dynamics of violence and insecurity across regions previously under British colonial rule” and set up an organisation “to ensure historical injustice, colonialism, and role of the British Empire is taught in the national curriculum.”

The idea of teaching a population about the unsavoury aspects of its history, and in Britain’s case revealing how several of today’s geopolitical crises are rooted in the past folly and avarice-fuelled actions of its ruling class, is commendable.

It would be prudent to inform UK citizens about the British Empire’s divide and conquer tactics across the Indian subcontinent and Africa, the stirring up of Hindu-Muslim antagonism in the former, or the impact of the Sykes-Picot agreement that precipitated instability across the Middle East which continues to the present day. Doing so might enable the public to gain a better understanding of how past actions affect present realities, in turn making them more eager to hold contemporary politicians to account so past mistakes are not repeated. As Spanish philosopher George Santayana said: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

Some right-wingers may be quick to dismiss Corbyn’s manifesto promise as self-indulgent politically-correct onanism. Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage commented: “I don’t think I should apologise for what people did 300 years ago. It was a different world, a different time.” Yet, some of the violence perpetuated in the name of protecting the empire’s interests is not exactly ancient history, having occurred within living memory for some. The Malayan Emergency, Kenya’s Mau Mau uprising, the Suez Crisis, or the deployment of British troops to Northern Ireland are a few examples.

Segments of the intelligentsia may also feel unease at Corbyn’s manifesto promise, namely those academics who still view the British Empire as the UK’s legacy and ‘gift’ to the world. This includes those who, by extension, consider modern Britain (and the West in general) as bestowed with a cultural superiority that makes it the unchallenged arbiter of global affairs and the indisputable defender of ‘human rights’ and ‘democracy’, regardless of what these laudable terms have been corrupted into justifying. The invasion of Iraq, the destruction of Libya, and the civil wars in Syria and Ukraine are a few manifestations of Western intervention.

Some Western historians fall over themselves condemning the USSR for the millions who died under the dictatorship of Stalin, with a significant proportion of these victims perishing during famines. The people of the former Soviet Union need to come to terms with their history, just like any other country. In the meantime, Western historians should shine a spotlight closer to home. Engineered famines across the Indian subcontinent reportedly killed up to 29 million in the late 19th century and a further 3 million in 1943.

The Indian subcontinent was only one of the regions under British rule and the deaths mentioned above do not include those violently killed by occupying forces. Unlike the USSR, which kept oppression confined within its borders and those of neighbouring countries under its sphere of influence, Britain together with the American Empire (to which it handed over the baton of imperialism after WWII) has interfered on pretty much every continent except Antarctica. In modern times we see the UK, now a vassal of the US-led NATO empire, condemn nations that refuse to submit to Western hegemony.

Apologists for Empire claim it brought ‘progress’ such as railways, infrastructure, education, cricket, as well as free trade and order (i.e. Pax Britannica). Irrespective of whether such ‘gifts’ were appreciated by occupied nations, this line of reasoning opens up a dangerous precedent. For example, supporters of Stalin overlook his despotism by crediting him with rapidly industrializing an underdeveloped nation that later played a major role in defeating Nazism, bestowing upon him an honour that instead belongs to millions of rank and file soldiers, officers, and commanders of the Red Army.

During the time of the British Empire, as was the case with other European empires and many dictatorships, the majority of working people were not personally enriched by the plunder of imperialism and their descendants are not to blame for the actions of the former ruling class. Nevertheless, learning one’s history is the first step to understanding the present, ensuring today’s leaders are held to account, and preventing the same mistakes from being repeated.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/475113-british-empire-colonial-stalin-deaths/

Winston Churchill was similar to Adolf Hitler.
Can't complain. They kept us well fed while people from present day India starved.
 
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The second biggest mass genocide took place in Bengal where it happened under the rule of Mr Winston Churchill. Some say 12, some say 6.....but 3 million were dead, for sure.
So I think Bengalis should also claim some privileges from Britain.
 
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Is being well fed only importaint thing in life for you ? They stolen your freedom and your prosperity. Your region was one of richest in the world before English thieves came to you.
I really doubt your a Pole. If indeed you are, you must be rarer then oxygen on Moon with views you hold. Every Pole I have ever met was right wing or alt-right win, pro America and pro west. Leaving that asides some facts for you -

  • It was the Indian's that the British starved and NOT coterminous Pakistani's. Pakistan alone faces 1.4 billion of them as mortal enemies. Had British 'reduced' them more it might not have been such a bad thing from Pakistan's perspective.
  • It was not "one of the richest". This is a canard peddled by Indians that is lapped up by western apologists sufering from guilt complex. Before British arrived most Indians lived in hidious poverty, semi-naked and died short dogs lives with women being burnt alive and guys crawling on all fours at the feet of their masters. This is when they were not being screwed by us invaders from the western flank of the Indus River. Do you really think they could all have been conquered and subdued so easily by a few Brits if they were drowning in honey and milk?
 
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I really doubt your a Pole.


You are not a terrorist so I really doubt you are a Pakistani :sarcastic:
So much about cliches.

You haven't meet many Poles in your life and you don't know much about Poland.

Polish nationalist Bartosz Bekier in Iran:
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Polish delegation led by MP Paweł Skulecki in Syria:
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Polish politician Mateusz Piskorski was leader of the European observers' mission supervising referendum in Crimea in 2014:
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One of the leaders of Polish opposition Janusz Korwin-Mikke visited Crimea alter reunification with Russia:
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There are Polish volonteers like Dariusz Lemański fighting in DNR army:
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And last but not least Marshal Konstantin Rokossovsky was born in Warsaw and was of Polish origin:
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But how could you know that ? Jimmy Savile's BBC and other fake news media outlets don't tell about it.

  • It was not "one of the richest". This is a canard peddled by Indians that is lapped up by western apologists sufering from guilt complex. Before British arrived most Indians lived in hidious poverty, semi-naked and died short dogs lives with women being burnt alive and guys crawling on all fours at the feet of their masters. This is when they were not being screwed by us invaders from the western flank of the Indus River. Do you really think they could all have been conquered and subdued so easily by a few Brits if they were drowning in honey and milk?
Yes it was.
China was also one of the most prosperous countries in the world untill England flooded China with drugs.
 
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You are not a terrorist so I really doubt you are a Pakistani :sarcastic:
So much about cliches.
MMmm that hurt. :mad:

You haven't meet many Poles in your life
I meet them everyday. At my gym my trainer is a Polish lady. In our team we have at least four Poles. There are Polish skleps, restaurents at every corner in my town. So I do have some interaction with Poles. In fact Poland is on my next years list of countries to visit. I am off to enjoy a well earned gourmet burger so will reply later in the evening with regards to rest of your post.
 
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MMmm that hurt. :mad:

I meet them everyday. At my gym my trainer is a Polish lady. In our team we have at least four Poles. There are Polish skleps, restaurents at every corner in my town. So I do have some interaction with Poles. In fact Poland is on my next years list of countries to visit. I am off to enjoy a well earned gourmet burger so will reply later in the evening with regards to rest of your post.

You know what can happen to a person that disagree government in England/USA ?
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So don't expect Poles in England to express their true opinion.
Snowden revealed the truth and had to flee for safety to China and Russia. There is no freedom of speech in England or USA.
 
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I really doubt your a Pole. If indeed you are, you must be rarer then oxygen on Moon with views you hold. Every Pole I have ever met was right wing or alt-right win, pro America and pro west. Leaving that asides some facts for you -

  • It was the Indian's that the British starved and NOT coterminous Pakistani's. Pakistan alone faces 1.4 billion of them as mortal enemies. Had British 'reduced' them more it might not have been such a bad thing from Pakistan's perspective.
  • It was not "one of the richest". This is a canard peddled by Indians that is lapped up by western apologists sufering from guilt complex. Before British arrived most Indians lived in hidious poverty, semi-naked and died short dogs lives with women being burnt alive and guys crawling on all fours at the feet of their masters. This is when they were not being screwed by us invaders from the western flank of the Indus River. Do you really think they could all have been conquered and subdued so easily by a few Brits if they were drowning in honey and milk?






Obviously the British did not kill enough indians because now there is over 1.4 billion of them vociferously yearning for the death of the Pakistani race and nation.
 
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You are not a terrorist so I really doubt you are a Pakistani :sarcastic:
So much about cliches.

You haven't meet many Poles in your life and you don't know much about Poland.

Polish nationalist Bartosz Bekier in Iran:
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Polish delegation led by MP Paweł Skulecki in Syria:
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Polish politician Mateusz Piskorski was leader of the European observers' mission supervising referendum in Crimea in 2014:
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One of the leaders of Polish opposition Janusz Korwin-Mikke visited Crimea alter reunification with Russia:
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There are Polish volonteers like Dariusz Lemański fighting in DNR army:
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And last but not least Marshal Konstantin Rokossovsky was born in Warsaw and was of Polish origin:
View attachment 593052

But how could you know that ? Jimmy Savile's BBC and other fake news media outlets don't tell about it.


Yes it was.
China was also one of the most prosperous countries in the world untill England flooded China with drugs.

Pakistan's very own Polish patriot.

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Deaths caused by British Empire should be condemned just like deaths under Stalin
Tomasz Pierscionek
is a medical doctor and social commentator on medicine, science, and technology.
5 Dec, 2019 16:30
View attachment 592923 A family of semi-starved Indians who have arrived in Calcutta in search of food, November 22, 1943 © Getty Images / Keystone

Western historians who condemn the USSR for the deaths under Stalin’s dictatorship should shed a spotlight on the millions who died under British rule, including those in engineered famines across the Indian subcontinent.
The UK general election is a week away and a significant chunk of the country’s media, three-quarters of which is reportedly owned by a few billionaires, is hard at work digging up dirt on Jeremy Corbyn to prevent a Labour Party victory at all costs. However, this uphill task is becoming harder as recent polls show the frequently cited Conservative lead over Labour is rapidly decreasing. The possibility that Mr Corbyn will be Britain’s next prime minister, perhaps at the head of a minority government, is now grudgingly acknowledged.

When Corbyn launched Labour’s manifesto at the end of November, he pledged to conduct a formal enquiry into the legacy of the British Empire “to understand our contribution to the dynamics of violence and insecurity across regions previously under British colonial rule” and set up an organisation “to ensure historical injustice, colonialism, and role of the British Empire is taught in the national curriculum.”

The idea of teaching a population about the unsavoury aspects of its history, and in Britain’s case revealing how several of today’s geopolitical crises are rooted in the past folly and avarice-fuelled actions of its ruling class, is commendable.

It would be prudent to inform UK citizens about the British Empire’s divide and conquer tactics across the Indian subcontinent and Africa, the stirring up of Hindu-Muslim antagonism in the former, or the impact of the Sykes-Picot agreement that precipitated instability across the Middle East which continues to the present day. Doing so might enable the public to gain a better understanding of how past actions affect present realities, in turn making them more eager to hold contemporary politicians to account so past mistakes are not repeated. As Spanish philosopher George Santayana said: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

Some right-wingers may be quick to dismiss Corbyn’s manifesto promise as self-indulgent politically-correct onanism. Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage commented: “I don’t think I should apologise for what people did 300 years ago. It was a different world, a different time.” Yet, some of the violence perpetuated in the name of protecting the empire’s interests is not exactly ancient history, having occurred within living memory for some. The Malayan Emergency, Kenya’s Mau Mau uprising, the Suez Crisis, or the deployment of British troops to Northern Ireland are a few examples.

Segments of the intelligentsia may also feel unease at Corbyn’s manifesto promise, namely those academics who still view the British Empire as the UK’s legacy and ‘gift’ to the world. This includes those who, by extension, consider modern Britain (and the West in general) as bestowed with a cultural superiority that makes it the unchallenged arbiter of global affairs and the indisputable defender of ‘human rights’ and ‘democracy’, regardless of what these laudable terms have been corrupted into justifying. The invasion of Iraq, the destruction of Libya, and the civil wars in Syria and Ukraine are a few manifestations of Western intervention.

Some Western historians fall over themselves condemning the USSR for the millions who died under the dictatorship of Stalin, with a significant proportion of these victims perishing during famines. The people of the former Soviet Union need to come to terms with their history, just like any other country. In the meantime, Western historians should shine a spotlight closer to home. Engineered famines across the Indian subcontinent reportedly killed up to 29 million in the late 19th century and a further 3 million in 1943.

The Indian subcontinent was only one of the regions under British rule and the deaths mentioned above do not include those violently killed by occupying forces. Unlike the USSR, which kept oppression confined within its borders and those of neighbouring countries under its sphere of influence, Britain together with the American Empire (to which it handed over the baton of imperialism after WWII) has interfered on pretty much every continent except Antarctica. In modern times we see the UK, now a vassal of the US-led NATO empire, condemn nations that refuse to submit to Western hegemony.

Apologists for Empire claim it brought ‘progress’ such as railways, infrastructure, education, cricket, as well as free trade and order (i.e. Pax Britannica). Irrespective of whether such ‘gifts’ were appreciated by occupied nations, this line of reasoning opens up a dangerous precedent. For example, supporters of Stalin overlook his despotism by crediting him with rapidly industrializing an underdeveloped nation that later played a major role in defeating Nazism, bestowing upon him an honour that instead belongs to millions of rank and file soldiers, officers, and commanders of the Red Army.

During the time of the British Empire, as was the case with other European empires and many dictatorships, the majority of working people were not personally enriched by the plunder of imperialism and their descendants are not to blame for the actions of the former ruling class. Nevertheless, learning one’s history is the first step to understanding the present, ensuring today’s leaders are held to account, and preventing the same mistakes from being repeated.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/475113-british-empire-colonial-stalin-deaths/

Winston Churchill was similar to Adolf Hitler.
The crimes of the Anglo Saxon Protestants doesn’t count
 
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It was the Indian's that the British starved and NOT coterminous Pakistani's.

Hello Indus Pakistan, you have written more than once about your admiration of Socialism, so I don't understand your constant championing not of pan-humanity but of a limited area of the world.
 
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