Daughter's claim may fall flat as Jinnah's will found

[sparklingway]

The house belonged to the founder of Pakistan.

He left, willed it to his sister who too is no more. The GOI is within it rights to do as it seems fit. In any case relations between India & Pak are not good enough to hand over the property to Pak or its embassy.

We had a consulate in Mumbai that worked out of a hotel and a office inside some market for more than 2 years. Allowing Jinnah House to be used as the official consulate would have been a very good, friendly and affirmative gesture.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The house belonged to the founder of Pakistan.

He left, willed it to his sister who too is no more. The GOI is within it rights to do as it seems fit. In any case relations between India & Pak are not good enough to hand over the property to Pak or its embassy.

The legal aspects I will leave to the courts to decide.

Also, so doing will make the building the rallying point for orgnisations like Shiv Sena etc for anti Pak activities and is the surest way to ensure it get damaged. After Mumbai no one would even consider such a proposal.

Why should terrorists and extremists be succumbed to because they threaten terrorism and extremism? Why does India let thugs and criminals like this roam free? India should act responsibly and neutralize any such threats.

The fact that the house belonged to Jinnah does not change, the fact that India and Pakistan have agreed to consulates in Karachi and Mumbai does not change.

Undivided sub continent was not a mythical entity.

By that yardstick once could claim 'undivided Asia and Europe' at some point in time.

The subcontinent has only been united through force, emperors and Kings. There is no more validity to claims of an 'undivided subcontinent' as there is to argue that the Roman and Greek empires form some sort of 'undivided entity'.

 

[FireFighter]

The house belonged to the founder of Pakistan.

He left, willed it to his sister who too is no more. The GOI is within it rights to do as it seems fit. In any case relations between India & Pak are not good enough to hand over the property to Pak or its embassy.

The Walia's really deserve the property. Even according to family law belongings go to the nearest relatives after their demise. I'm not sure how it is Practiced in Mumbai...

Also, so doing will make the building the rallying point for orgnisations like Shiv Sena etc for anti Pak activities and is the surest way to ensure it get damaged. After Mumbai no one would even consider such a proposal.

Shiv Sena really hold the government at gun point it seems that govn't can't protect private properties.

Rather than tackling the extremists and terrorist elements, you're suggesting its better for India to cave into their demands.

Pretty genius of an idea.

Making it a center for art & culture is neutral enough. Undivided sub continent was not a mythical entity.

A better idea would be to convert it into a free food welfare centre, much needed for the Mumbai slum population. Jinnah's soul will be pleased.

 

[third eye]

The legal aspects I will leave to the courts to decide.


Why should terrorists and extremists be succumbed to because they threaten terrorism and extremism? Why does India let thugs and criminals like this roam free? India should act responsibly and neutralize any such threats.

The fact that the house belonged to Jinnah does not change, the fact that India and Pakistan have agreed to consulates in Karachi and Mumbai does not change.

By that yardstick once could claim 'undivided Asia and Europe' at some point in time.

The subcontinent has only been united through force, emperors and Kings. There is no more validity to claims of an 'undivided subcontinent' as there is to argue that the Roman and Greek empires form some sort of 'undivided entity'.

No need to get into the realm of undivided India .. it was just a thought in passing.

At the risk of going off topic in my opinion the second last nation in the world who could raise Qs like the kind highlighted above is Pak or anyone from Pak - second only to Af & Somalia.

The bottom line is that Jinnahs house in Mumbai is like any other property vacated / left behind by those who switched sides in 47. It so happens that he also was the founder of Pakistan.This however does not change anything on the Indian side.

Therefore his former property is being treated as evacuee property like that left behind by so many others on both sides.

 

[rubyjackass]

Dina can claim it even now right? After all Fatima was her aunt. Anyhow the authorities are better informed than me.

@agno : I am pleasantly surprised at the way you turned even this discussion. What you said India should do is a favor or goodwill gesture but you demand it like it is your birth right. It became your trademark attack. And then you target some poor guy for the sin being an apologist for India, he deserved it.
You should be FM or PM of Pak. No pun intended, genuine appreciation.

 

[jbond197]

She married Nuslie against his will and this obviously led to a rift. Adding to the problems, was the existing and increasing distance between father and daughter owing to Jinnah's dedication to his mission. They came to terms with each other towards the later parts of his life. There are some letters validating this.

A little correction here Dina Married Neville Wadia.. Nusli is her son's name.. I think that was a Typo so please correct it..

 

[BJlaowai]

A little correction here Dina Married Neville Wadia.. Nusli is her son's name.. I think that was a Typo so please correct it..

Didnt Nusli Wadia marry actress Priety Zinta? or was its just a affair between the two?
Also, If my memory serves right, Jinnah married a Parsi lady too..

 

[jbond197]

Didnt Nusli Wadia marry actress Priety Zinta? or was its just a affair between the two?
Also, If my memory serves right, Jinnah married a Parsi lady too..

Nusli nahin dost Ness Wadia (his son) had affair with Priety Zinta which ended some time back. They didn't get married.

Jinnah married a Parsi lady too the name was Ratanbai Petit.

 

[toxic_pus]

Could have been converted into a center for Pakistani art and culture with the Pakistani embassy as administrator.

Why? The house belongs to the founder of Pakistan...

Jinna's house is evacuee property, but Nehru didn't want it to declare it as such. Here's something interesting for you.

'"Sri Prakasa, don’t break my heart. Tell Jawaharlal not to break my heart, I have built it brick by brick. Who can live in a house like that? What fine verandas? It is a small house only for a small European family or a refined Indian prince. You do not know how I love Bombay. I still look forward to going back there," Jinnah had said. Sri Prakasa, India’s first high commissioner to Pakistan replied, ‘"Really, Mr. Jinnah! I said. ‘You desire to go back to Bombay. I know how much Bombay owes to you and your great services to the city. May I tell Prime Minister that you want to go back there?’ He replied: ‘Yes, you may"’ writes Sri Prakasa in his memories Pakistan: Birth and Last Days. This conversation took place on July 30, 1948.

Jinnah’s sentiments were immediately telegrammed to Nehru and in accordance with his wish, to allot his house to any foreign consulate, permission, was sought from Jinnah who replied that not due to any racial feeling but because his house was built in European style he wanted it to go to a European family. He was formally offered Rs. 3000 for a month but he left the ball in India’s court to decide on fixing the rent as Indians prerogative. Jinnah while replying to a letter to Sri Prakasa had professed to look forward to meeting him on his return to Karachi, but, unfortunately, he could not do so as he died before that.

Nehru, on his part decided not to declare Jinnah House as an evacuee property and in a note to the Cabinet on March 7,1955 had said. "I think we should further be prepared to make a gift of it to the Pakistan government," as documented in Selected Works of Jawaharlal Nehru. But, Nehru could not get approval from his cabinet.

Thereafter, once Indian High Commissioner to Pakistan CC Desai had also suggested to Nehru on Jan 13, 1956 that Jinnah House be preserved "as a relic of Jinnah." S. Dutt, foreign secretary, on one occasion, minuted on Jan. 20, 1956, that Jinnah memorial by India would be inappropriate; but if Pakistan wanted to buy the house and preserve it as a memorial to Jinnah, "we certainly should raise no objection" (Selected Works of Jawaharlal Nehru).

The plan went awry but Islamabad did not give up pursuing it and perhaps, from the longest time, has requested New Delhi to at least lease it, if not sell it outright to them. New Delhi nevertheless has not as yet made a complimentary gesture despite PV Narsimha Rao, Foreign Minister in 1980, under Indira Gandhi, making a statement in the Parliament that India has in principle agreed to lease Jinnah House as the residence of local Consulate-General of Pakistan. Even the recent foreign- secretaries level talks between Shashank and Raiz Khokhar could not find anything worthwhile to break the ice. The talks were held in the last week of June 2004.'

The House Jinnah built, The Milli Gazette, Vol.5 No.17, MG111 (1-15 Sep 04)

 

[sparklingway]

Nice info. I still maintain it should have been given to the former Pakistan Consulate in Mumbai

 

[champion]

Dina's relationship with her father Dina's relationship with her father became strained when Dina expressed her desire to marry a Parsi-born Indian Neville Wadia. Jinnah, a Muslim, tried to dissuade her, but failed. Mahommedali Currim Chagla, who was Jinnah's assistant at the time, recalls: "Jinnah, in his usual imperious manner, told her that there were millions of Muslim boys in India, and she could have anyone she chose. Reminding her father that his wife (Dina's mother Rattanbai), had also been a non-Muslim, the young lady replied: 'Father, there were millions of Muslim girls in India. Why did you not marry one of them?' And he replied that, 'she became a Muslim'".

It is known that when Dina married Neville, Jinnah said to her that she was not his daughter any more. Jinnah disowned her and the father-daughter relationship became extremely formal after she married. They did correspond, but he addressed her formally as 'Mrs. Wadia'. Dina and Neville lived in Mumbai and had two children, a boy and a girl. Dina's son Nusli Wadia became a Christian, but converted back to Zoroastrianism and settled in the industrially wealthy Parsi community of Mumbai. Dina did not travel to Pakistan until her father's funeral in Karachi in September 1948

 

[champion]

Recently she has been involved in litigation regarding Jinnah House claiming that Hindu Law is applicable to Jinnah as he was a Khoja Shia.[3]

 

[pak-marine]

According to Dina, her father was a Khoja Muslim and this sect followed the Hindu law and not the sharia. Hence, the Hindu Succession law that leaves the property to his daughter would be applicable and not the Islamic law where the deceased's siblings also have a right over the property.

if this is what she really claims than she has no idea and its just lack of knowledge !.. khoja are shias but they speak gujrati and very different to agha khani or any one else .. and there no difference btw shia or sunni laws when it come to inheritence of property.