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Eurofighter, Dassault Submit Revised Offset Bids, Indian MMRCA Contest Enters Final Round
Our Bureau
Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:09 CET


Eurofighter and Dassault, the two shortlisted bidders in India's MMRCA fighter tender submitted revised offset bids on June 17 signaling the start of the final round of evaluation at the end of which one of the bidders will walk away with the $10 billion tender to equip the Indian Air Force (IAF) with 126 (plus 66 options)Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).


A source from one of the bidders told Defenseworld.net at the Paris Air Show 2011 that the updated offset bids included individual MoUs with third part equipment providers which supply critical equipment such as engine, avionics and other critical systems. Earlier offset propsal submitted had only offset commitments on the part of the bidders who are essentially platform integrators.

The Indian MoD has not given any timeframe for their next engagement with Dassault and Eurofighter, the sources said adding that they expect to hear from the customer within the next 2-3 months. After the studying the offset proposals, the MoD will call the two bidders for final discussions on price/contract performance and select one among them.

"The revised offset bids include 50% direct engagements with Indian companies such as Hindustan Aeronautics Limited(HAL), Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL), and several other Indian private groups such as the Tatas, Mahindras, L & T and others", said the source.

The MoD had asked the two bidders to extend their commercial bids (price quote) till the end of the year. Generally, commercial bids are valid for two years from the date of the RFP.

 

[the rafter]

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[DacterSaab]

It would be very funny too see how everyone's views are going to change on this forum. If EFT wins the MMRCA.

I like Rafale more but am past the point of caring which one they buy just get them quickly.

 

[jha]

Old Tornado jets no crutch for Typhoon in Libya - pilot | Reuters

 

[sancho]

It would be very funny too see how everyone's views are going to change on this forum. If EFT wins the MMRCA.

I like Rafale more but am past the point of caring which one they buy just get them quickly.

As I said earlier, the important question for EF is, does it offer so much on the industrial side, to look over the operational shortfalls and the huge cost? If yes, it will be a good deal for India as well and way better than the F18SH deal, we just have to invest more time and especially money to bring the EF to the level where the Rafale already is.

 

[DacterSaab]

As I said earlier, the important question for EF is, does it offer so much on the industrial side, to look over the operational shortfalls and the huge cost? If yes, it will be a good deal for India as well and way better than the F18SH deal, we just have to invest more time and especially money to bring the EF to the level where the Rafale already is.

exactly if EFT is more capable platform once it matures then buy it but for heavens sake get this deal over with before Russians say they wanna re-enter with Mig-LMFS or US offers us the F-22 Raptor.

 

[aanshu001]

SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

Dassault aviation CEO in its recent press conference at the Paris Air show hinted that, Dassault aviation is counting big time on India’s MMRCA contract where the winner will provide Indian air force 126 fighter jets in next few years.

India’s MMRCA deal which is considered has Mother of all Deal, Due to sheer size of the aircrafts which will be purchased from a single vendor and the potential growth of orders which normally comes with Indian contracts is also large. And then Indian Navy too interested in a Carrier borne aircrafts, just sweetens the deal.

Dassault Rafale which has struggled until now to find an export customer is counting big on Indian order, since other potential export customers are watching Indian MMRCA contract very carefully, Particularly Brazil which Favoured Rafale in their quest to purchase 36 fighters in their F-X2 program. But seems to be holding back just long enough to see who will be winner in Indian MMRCA deal.

India has tested all six aircrafts for more than 650 parameters and defence experts believe that the Indian test carried out by its experience test pilots, was extensive enough to be a used has a hand book for other air forces around the world, which are looking at currently purchasing aircrafts based on Technical performance.

CEO also informed press that Rafale has part of NATO air force over Libya, were able to operate more than two dozen of its fighter, without having any operational difficulty, taking a pot shot where serviceability of Rival Eurofighter Typhoon in Libyan operations has been in question, due to shortage of spares.

Ceo also confirmed that the Production variant of RBE-2 AESA radar for the Rafale, which has already been successfully integrated and tested, will be ready for export market from 2013 onwards; Dassault is also considering upgrading the engines of Rafale’s to add higher thrust, currently Dassault Rafale is powered by 2 × Snecma M88-2 turbofans generating 75.62 kN of thrust with its after burner, but French are already working on a higher thrust engine, which is known has Snecma M88-3 which will have 91kN of thrust on its after burner , this has been developed in connection with the sale of Rafale to the United Arab Emirates considering the fact that they will operate in a hot weather countries and will be for interception operations.

Rafale might have struggled to bring export orders even after 11 years been inducted in to French air force, but the majority of the upgrades and operational issues seems to be taken care of by this long time of operational use in the French armed forces, where else in Partner countries of Euro fighter Typhoon have struggled to maintain a steady supply of spares and serviceability of Typhoon in their respected air force.

Indian air force which is retiring its current fleet of Mig-21 and Mig-27 from its service will definitely want to have a fighter aircraft with steady supply chain and not repeat whole Bae Hawk experience again, where due to loop holes in contract British firms not only supplied old worn out spares, but also effected serviceability and the production of the aircraft in the Hal Facility in India.

Rafale upgrades are already in the pipeline, which means further Reduction in RCS, Engine upgrades, integration of a Limited production AESA radar, and improvements in Avionics package has already been taken care by Dassault keeping in mind its Primary customer , that’s French Air force , while EADS is counting on Indian funds for the future upgrades on the Eurofighter Typhoon

 

[bhagat]

$11 bn fighter jet contract transparent and fair: IAF Chief to NDTV


The process followed by the Indian Air Force to shortlist fighter jets for its massive 11 billion dollars contract could not have been more transparent and fair, IAF Chief PV Naik has asserted. This is the first public comment by him after US and Russia raised doubts over the process after their aircraft were eliminated from the race.
$11 bn fighter jet contract transparent and fair: IAF Chief to NDTV

 

[sathya]

Eurofighter and Euroradar confirm that the Typhoon will get its AESA radar by 2015

The Typhoon, pictured here with Meteor air-to-air missiles, will receive the new CAPTOR-E AESA radar by 2015, says a company release from the Paris air show (pasted below)



Eurofighter and Euroradar confirm 2015 entry into service target date for the Typhoon new generation E-Scan radar

After one year of industry funding, the Eurofighter and Euroradar consortia have received renewed strong support from the Partner Nations and have agreed to continue the full scale development programme of the next generation E-Scan radar, confirming the 2015 entry into service date.

Supported by the Eurofighter partner nations: the United Kingdom, Italy, Germany and Spain, Eurofighter GmbH and Euroradar began full scale development of the new CAPTOR-E radar in July 2010.

The new radar will have AESA capability that far exceeds any other radar available today and in the foreseeable future and will be developed to satisfy the requirements of the Partner Nations and customers across the globe.

The new radar will retain the key features of the existing market leading Captor-M radar in order to exploit the maturity of the current system, using latest generation technology to provide further advanced performance. The Typhoon’s AESA radar will offer a variety of benefits over M-Scan, including increased detection and tracking ranges, advanced air-to-surface capability and enhanced electronic protection measures.

The new AESA array, larger than the ones available to our competitors thanks to the Typhoon’s voluminous radome, will be fitted on a repositioner that will provide a wider field of regard when compared to those installed or scheduled for introduction on other fighters.

The new radar will offer customers the freedom to retrofit their existing Typhoons when required. The radar will have significant growth potential and both existing and new customers will be able to participate in tailoring the radar to meet their individual operational requirements.

The new AESA Radar is part of the platform and systems enhancement ongoing with Eurofighter to ensure Typhoon leads the way as the world’s best new generation multi-role combat aircraft.

 

[sathya]

US sulking over lost fighter contract
Published June 26, 2011
SOURCE : HINDUSTAN TIMES



The US is struggling to come to terms with the rejection of its bids for a $10.2 billion (Rs 45,900 crore) contract to supply 126 fighter planes to the Indian Air Force, the country’s biggest order symbolising its growing military appetite. US defence contractors betrayed their frustration and questioned India’s arms procurement policy in hushed tones at the Paris air show in Le Bourget.

A top executive, who did not wish to be named, said questions about the criteria adopted to shortlist European fighters (Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale) had not been answered.

“We are awaiting responses to the clarifications sought by the US government,” he said.

But the IAF said it went by the book.

“It was a fact-based decision. Politico-strategic considerations were not factored in. The Typhoon and Rafale best met our requirements,” Air Chief Marshal PV Naik said.

He said the US should not be upset over losing the fighter deal, as Washington’s platter was piled high with military contracts worth billions of dollars.

“They have a lot in its kitty. The US has won several contracts including those for C-17 military transport aircraft, C-130J airlifters and P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance planes,” Naik said.

US Ambassador to India Timothy Roemer had announced his resignation in April, a day after Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet and Lockheed Martin’s F-16 Super Viper fighters were edged out of the race, along with Russia’s MiG-35 and Sweden’s Gripen.

The fighter contract could either be awarded to Eurofighter Typhoon (a consortium of British, German, Spanish and Italian companies) or French firm Dassault Aviation’s Rafale, depending on who the lowest bidder is.

Naik said the decision should not impact Indo-US strategic ties.

India is buying 10 Boeing C-17s for $ 4.1 billion (Rs 18,450 crore) and 12 P-8Is worth $3.1 billion (Rs 13,950 crore) from the US. Lockheed Martin won a $1 billion (Rs 4,500 crore) order in 2008 to supply six C-130Js to the IAF.

 

[angeldemon_007]

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[angeldemon_007]

The battle to sell fighter aircraft - The National

 

[angeldemon_007]

Hey guys have the Europeans offered us Scalp/Storm Shadow or Tauras for MMRCA contract ?

 

[luckyyy]

MMRCA specifications requested by the Indian Air Force are currently not available on existing aeroplanes. Perhaps on the F-22, but that is not for export said Louis Gallois is the CEO of EADS,

The Hindu : Opinion / Op-Ed : ‘Our will to invest in India is high'

 

[sancho]

Hey guys have the Europeans offered us Scalp/Storm Shadow or Tauras for MMRCA contract ?

At least the companies are offereing it with their fighters, but it will require government approval too.

MMRCA specifications requested by the Indian Air Force are currently not available on existing aeroplanes. Perhaps on the F-22, but that is not for export said Louis Gallois is the CEO of EADS,

The Hindu : Opinion / Op-Ed : ‘Our will to invest in India is high'

That was in 2010, I guess it is clearer now, after the shortlist.