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[SpArK]

Broadsword: Eurofighter edges ahead in MMRCA race: Eurojet pips GE in LCA engine bid

 

[ASHISH KAUSHIK]

AND WHAT ABOUT DASSAULT RAFALE ?

 

[redpearl75]

EFT's cockpit....

Looks great and yes Rafael is one of the best but now everything depends upon our politicians... Let's hope for the best...

 

[great white north]

i hope the babus will select the TYPHOON,but again its cost will be an issue,the MOD says that after the shortlisting the lowest bidder shall be awarded the contract...if that is the case the chances of this awesome bird r a little less than others, jst my thought
feel free to disagree

 

[redpearl75]

i hope the babus will select the TYPHOON,but again its cost will be an issue,the MOD says that after the shortlisting the lowest bidder shall be awarded the contract...if that is the case the chances of this awesome bird r a little less than others, jst my thought
feel free to disagree

There is nothing to disagree brother as we all know that what are the conditions the Govt. has set. The govt's focus is on cost but not effectivess. Even if it would have been the cost-effectiveness factor then it's something good but all they are saying is that the lowest bidder will win and in that scenario Mig 35 is on top but lacks the edge when compared to Europian materal. There is no doubt that it's one of the finest modification of the mighty Mig 29 but still it's not as capable as the EFt or Rafale.. The next option according to the price would be the Gripen which is no less or no more than the Tejas.... And then comes the Americans with F 16 IN and F/A 18 SH among which, I suppose the Super Hornet is closing in fast to bang the deal as US Govt. is thriving hard to get into the Asian defence market and specially with India... We will be screwed as the recent past tells the complete story about Russian slow progress with teh Groshkov deal making it more than twice the price that was finalized... Russia is already into the 5th Gen FGFA development with 6 Billion $ investment from both the government which totals to around 12 billion and Im sure that the price will shoot up in the very near future... and will cross easilt the 20 Billion mark.. After that there is the MTA deal.. 120+ Mi17 chopper's deal etc, I suggest this time IAF goes for something new and different as using the same old Migs with whatever modifications won't add a punch to our force and will just increase the capacity to an extent.. We, if go for EFt or Rafale, would be the 1st nation in the Asian region to have those machines.. moreover they too are offering full tech-transfer and Europian Union has clearly and openly emphasized on the fact that they will be including India as a partner in the future developements of the EFT which I believe is going to mean a lot to us as the aircraft will never be old before it's actual life cycle's end... Rafale if selected would be a great choice as well...

If you ask me personally then I feel that IAF should not opt for F/A 18s and IN should instead of the Mig 29K and IAF should go for either EFT or Rafale.. That would be the best combination as Super Hornet is basically a seaborne fighting machine though, can be used from ground as well... Gripen being one of the lightest and cheapest offers a good package in terms of avionics and weapon load...

The bottom line is that whatever gets through this deal at the end will be something more of a political decision and not a tactical one as then the Govt. wouldn't have mentioned the cost thing making the lowest bidder the most favorable, at least on paper... let's just hope for the best..

 

[jha]

@red-pearl..

You never know what else is in offer...Who knows USA might give us a couple of dozens of Growlers just to sweeten the deal..

 

[redpearl75]

@red-pearl..

You never know what else is in offer...Who knows USA might give us a couple of dozens of Growlers just to sweeten the deal..

They sure won't give it for free, and moreover Grawlers are not our primary concern but the 126 fighter deal is, and concidering the Grawler possibility thinking of going for Super Hornets will be a mistake.... an MKI can perform the same job with the latest pods and a dozen of the same will be more than enough for us..... Still can't say anything now....

 

[rockstarIN]

They sure won't give it for free, and moreover Grawlers are not our primary concern but the 126 fighter deal is, and concidering the Grawler possibility thinking of going for Super Hornets will be a mistake.... an MKI can perform the same job with the latest pods and a dozen of the same will be more than enough for us..... Still can't say anything now....

Hardly we go for American planes, if that is the case, we would have selected F-35 than participating PAK-FA programme. Should look at long terms prospects also in arms deal, the future of military aviation is F-35 & PAK-FA and we already selected Russian side.

Rgds,

 

[mehboobkz]

There was news report decade ago that Pakistan had hardwired F-16 to make it nuke delivery compliant - what is Hardwired actually ?

 

[marcos98]

NG Gripen Demo shows external tanks of greater capacity​

In the pictures released today (September 21) by Saab, Gripen NG demo is seen flying with new disposable external tank of larger capacity.Instead of the 300 gallons of tank capacity usually transported by C and D versions of the Gripen, the new external tanks have a capacity of 450 gallons each.

The new tanks are seen in pictures, in combination with air-air missile IRIS-T and Meteor, as well as guided Paveway bombs.

Combined with additional spaces for domestic fuel and an engine more efficient in fuel consumption, the new tanks will allow the Gripen NG reach a substantially larger and more time "on station". Os novos tanques descartáveis são produzidos pela RUAG, na Suíça. The new disposable tanks are manufactured by RUAG, Switzerland.


{Airpower }

 

[redpearl75]

There was news report decade ago that Pakistan had hardwired F-16 to make it nuke delivery compliant - what is Hardwired actually ?

Hardwired control

To execute instructions, a computer's processor must generate the control signals used to perform the processor's actions in the proper sequence. This sequence of actions can either be executed by another processor's software (for example in software emulation or simulation of a processor) or in hardware. Hardware methods fall into two categories: the processor's hardware signals are generated either by hardwired control, in which the instruction bits directly generate the signals, or by microprogrammed control in which a dedicated microcontroller executes a microprogram to generate the signals.


Before microprocessors, hardwired control usually was implemented using discrete components, flip-chips, or even rotating discs or drums. This can be generally done by two methods.

The classical method of sequential circuit design. It attempts to minimize the amount of hardwire, in particular, by using only log2p flip flops to realize a p state circuit.
An approach that uses one flip flop per state. While expensive in terms of flip flops, this method simplifies controller unit design and debugging.
In practice, processor control units are often so complex that no one design method by itself can yield a satisfactory circuit at an acceptable cost. The most acceptable design may consist of several linked, but independently designed, sequential circuits.

Microprogramming made it possible to re-wire, as it were, a computer by simply downloading a new microprogram to it. This required dedicated hardware or an external processor. For example, some of DEC's PDP-10 processors used a PDP-11 as a front-end which uploaded a microprogram to the main processor at boot time.

Traditionally, a sewing machines' stitch patterns and a washing machine's wash programs were implemented as hardwired, usually mechanical, controls. In modern machines, these are instead implemented as software which controls a computer which controls the machine hardware. This makes it possible, for example, to download additional stitch patterns for a small fee or upgrade a machine without having to buy a complete new machine. It also opens up for intellectual property rights issues.

The term hardwired is also used in a biological context to denote behaviour that is innately determined by an organism's genetically determined neurophysiology. Such hardwired behaviour would include the well-known knee-jerk reflex. Non-hardwired behaviour is dependent upon learning during the lifetime of the individual organism. As such the term is used in a way that is directly analogous to its use in computing.

That's what Wiki says.....

 

[SBD-3]

IAF Evaluates Aircraft for MCRA Competition

India has completed an evaluation of six aircraft before it orders the final 126 multirole combat aircraft (MCRA) for the country's air force.

Air Chief Marshal PV Naik told the Hindu that the Indian Air Force has submitted the details of the evaluation to the Ministry of Defence, which is expected to take a final decision soon.

"The evaluation report will be discussed by the Cabinet Committee on Security, after which the process of awarding contracts would be initiated," Naik said.

The signing of contracts will take another year and the delivery of the first batch of 18 aircraft to the air force will be carried out within three years after the orders are placed, according to Naik.

Boeing, Lockheed Martin, D'Assault, SAAB, EADS and MiG are competing for the $10bn medium MCRA tender.

 

[Dash]

@ Redpearl

There is nothing to disagree brother as we all know that what are the conditions the Govt. has set. The govt's focus is on cost but not effectivess.

Sukhoi aditional planes - $70 million each
Mirage deal - just upgrade per plane $40 million each
M117 howitzer - Most expensive ones.
Javelin Anti tank - Most expensive ones...

For an example - Goroskov deal..though a bad one.

The govt is actually not looking at cost of a deal, but the over all effectiveness by cost. If the effectiveness will be good enough, we dont mind paying the cost.

Even though eurofighter or Rafale cost a lot but their over all "harvest" over a period of time will actually reduce the cost. So dont worry about it.

Its not a cost of the fighter, its the life cycle cost and what we can get in return

 

[mehboobkz]

Hardwired control

To execute instructions, a computer's processor must generate the control signals used to perform the processor's actions in the proper sequence. This sequence of actions can either be executed by another processor's software (for example in software emulation or simulation of a processor) or in hardware. Hardware methods fall into two categories: the processor's hardware signals are generated either by hardwired control, in which the instruction bits directly generate the signals, or by microprogrammed control in which a dedicated microcontroller executes a microprogram to generate the signals.


Before microprocessors, hardwired control usually was implemented using discrete components, flip-chips, or even rotating discs or drums. This can be generally done by two methods.

The classical method of sequential circuit design. It attempts to minimize the amount of hardwire, in particular, by using only log2p flip flops to realize a p state circuit.
An approach that uses one flip flop per state. While expensive in terms of flip flops, this method simplifies controller unit design and debugging.
In practice, processor control units are often so complex that no one design method by itself can yield a satisfactory circuit at an acceptable cost. The most acceptable design may consist of several linked, but independently designed, sequential circuits.

Microprogramming made it possible to re-wire, as it were, a computer by simply downloading a new microprogram to it. This required dedicated hardware or an external processor. For example, some of DEC's PDP-10 processors used a PDP-11 as a front-end which uploaded a microprogram to the main processor at boot time.

Traditionally, a sewing machines' stitch patterns and a washing machine's wash programs were implemented as hardwired, usually mechanical, controls. In modern machines, these are instead implemented as software which controls a computer which controls the machine hardware. This makes it possible, for example, to download additional stitch patterns for a small fee or upgrade a machine without having to buy a complete new machine. It also opens up for intellectual property rights issues.

The term hardwired is also used in a biological context to denote behaviour that is innately determined by an organism's genetically determined neurophysiology. Such hardwired behaviour would include the well-known knee-jerk reflex. Non-hardwired behaviour is dependent upon learning during the lifetime of the individual organism. As such the term is used in a way that is directly analogous to its use in computing.

That's what Wiki says.....

What has above got to do with nuclear delivery aircraft, even I am aware of such wiki stuff?

 

[redpearl75]

One more random images that I found... EFT....