Danger of final blow to BD's sovereignity is approaching

[Joe Shearer]

ISIS is taking advantage of the atmosphere created by Hasina. Every sane person was warning Hasina of these things but she is too arrogant to listen. She pushed people to other side and made it easy for ISIS to recruit people.

That can be said about EVERY environment in which ISIS operates.

This is Eid. Do not make me use harsh words. We will discuss this later.

 

[Bilal9]

So what do you think will BD govt be able to prevent further radicalisation in their country?

I see a few things happening (predicting and not trying to align myself politically to anyone),

• Tight control and intelligence/reporting on radicalisation activities in Madrassahs, training schools and even universities especially intelligence on 'covert' activity.(Most of the students that 'went missing' may have attended a terrorist training camp in Hill tracts area for a few months).
• Private Madrassah funding from Arab countries will come under heavy scrutiny
• Religious-aligned schools like Manarat, Ideal School and those put up by Middle Eastern sources may see their student numbers gradually decreased as per govt. action and effort.
• Govt. funding of madrassahs may see revision of policy and reduction of funding.
• Local monitoring of social media 'chatter' a la Homeland Security in US will increase. You can type a few 'keywords' and police/RAB will show up at your door.
• 'Profiling' for religious-affiliated activity will get more intense.
• Religious parties will see their funding sources such as businesses and newspapers being slowly starved.
• Although not directly involved with preventing radicalisation - Police/RAB will strengthen their SWAT teams, tactics, training and equipment to tackle radical attacks. They had to bring in army para-commandos where local RAB SWAT team could have easily handled a hostage situation. I am baffled why the RAB SWAT team was not used. SOP for coordination and triage during a crisis like this will see radical changes.

 

[M_Saint]

Not a dark time for humanity.

Only for religious trash-talkers who are being found out and exposed as overground supporters of underground terrorists.



How about the Webmaster?

U think that Thou can provoke me by calling religious Fundu, Terrorist sympathizer etc. etc..? On a related note though, how has dalal's allergy spread in URself? Are U really a teacher or Joe Ardvani Mordi Savarker?

 

[Joe Shearer]

U think that Thou can provoke me by calling religious Fundu, Terrorist sympathizer etc. etc..? On a related note though, how has dalal's allergy spread in URself? Are U really a teacher or Joe Ardvani Mordi Savarker?

You should ask your counterparts, the bhakts. You resemble each other more than you resemble normal human beings.

 

[Bombaywalla]

...and this ridiculous forum assigns the terrorist sympathizing asad71 the title of 'professional'.

How much lower can one go?

Report the guy to Canadian and Bangladeshi authorities. Vermin like him needs to be tortured in prison.

 

[M_Saint]

You should ask your counterparts, the bhakts. You resemble each other more than you resemble normal human beings.

O really? Have U ever felt my attributes or Joe Ardvani Mordi Savarker's satanic verses cross saint, bhakht's divinity by reverse term?

 

[Gufi]

• Tight control and intelligence/reporting on radicalisation activities in Madrassahs, training schools and even universities especially intelligence on 'covert' activity.(Most of the students that 'went missing' may have attended a terrorist training camp in Hill tracts area for a few months).

• Private Madrassah funding from Arab countries will come under heavy scrutiny

• Religious-aligned schools like Manarat, Ideal School and those put up by Middle Eastern sources may see their student numbers gradually decreased as per govt. action and effort.

• Govt. funding of madrassahs may see revision of policy and reduction of funding.

• Local monitoring of social media 'chatter' a la Homeland Security in US will increase. You can type a few 'keywords' and police/RAB will show up at your door.

• 'Profiling' for religious-affiliated activity will get more intense.

• Religious parties will see their funding sources such as businesses and newspapers being slowly starved.

• Although not directly involved with preventing radicalisation - Police/RAB will strengthen their SWAT teams, tactics, training and equipment to tackle radical attacks. They had to bring in army para-commandos where local RAB SWAT team could have easily handled a hostage situation. I am baffled why the RAB SWAT team was not used. SOP for coordination and triage during a crisis like this will see radical changes.

All potent steps to stop the radicalisation but it misses at tackling other causes of the problem. What needs to be done is re access the reasons for the sudden upsurge, it is not like there was a sudden button pressed and radicals started jumping out of the water. What are the triggers which started this? Isis has been going strong for some time now, before that there was a lot of militancy in the world which Bangladesh was not affected by.
One needs to step back and re access policies which are driving the youth to these acts. Till triggers are removed, no amount of monitoring will stop more radicalisation, the best it will do and this is the most optimistic view, stop the radicals before they cause any mass casualties...
One needs to address root causes, which also stopping radicalisation of the youth. Just doing one without the other will leave loopholes which will end up in lose of human life, which is both heart breaking and too be severely condemned by all.
Hoping that no more innocent people die and Bangladesh matures.

 

[-xXx-]

Indians and illegal indians poising as Bangladeshi and actively glorifying terrorist Faraaz Hossain should be banned. Notifying Canadian and UAE and Australian authorities are not difficult.

The guy named Farhaan Hossain who refused to leave his friends on mercy of terrorists is being called a terrorist by this low life (sorry for name calling).

Such posters along with asad71 are highest degree of terrorist sympathisers and perhaps using PDF as a breeding ground for people with their mentality.

@Oscar @WebMaster @waz @Arsalan

@BDforever @M_Saint @Loki @bongbang @Roybot @Levina @Joe Shearer

 

[Joe Shearer]

The guy named Farhaan Hossain who refused to leave his friends on mercy of terrorists is being called a terrorist by this low life (sorry for name calling).

Such posters along with asad71 are highest degree of terrorist sympathisers and perhaps using PDF as a breeding ground for people with their mentality.

@Oscar @WebMaster @waz @Arsalan

@BDforever @M_Saint @Loki @bongbang @Roybot @Levina @Joe Shearer

Low life?

That is an insult to low life.

 

[Bilal9]

All potent steps to stop the radicalisation but it misses at tackling other causes of the problem. What needs to be done is re access the reasons for the sudden upsurge, it is not like there was a sudden button pressed and radicals started jumping out of the water. What are the triggers which started this? Isis has been going strong for some time now, before that there was a lot of militancy in the world which Bangladesh was not affected by.
One needs to step back and re access policies which are driving the youth to these acts. Till triggers are removed, no amount of monitoring will stop more radicalisation, the best it will do and this is the most optimistic view, stop the radicals before they cause any mass casualties...
One needs to address root causes, which also stopping radicalisation of the youth. Just doing one without the other will leave loopholes which will end up in lose of human life, which is both heart breaking and too be severely condemned by all.
Hoping that no more innocent people die and Bangladesh matures.

Well to be honest a lot of Hasina's anti-Jamati policies may have been quite heavy-handed (some would argue that these policies were dictated by Modi administration).

Dialogue and detente were foregone in favor of tear-gas, baton charge and in some cases of real bullet usage as well as hanging of top leaders. These heavy-handed tactics resulted in very negative social media coverage for the administration's policies and won lots of public sympathy for Jamat and other religious parties. Bangladeshis are generally a tolerant and religious lot with loads of patience and extreme measures/heavy handed tactics (even by the govt.) are not looked upon favorably when it involves beating up Masjid imams. The few radicals needed heavy handed treatment but appeasement needed to be used with moderate Islamic parties. This policy of promoting the moderates was not followed through.

Some would say that local fringe extremist (and violent) religious parties (like Ansarullah Bangla team) have benefited immensely from this Jamati negative anti-Hasina campaign which convinced the general public about Indian takeover of Bangladesh (politically and/or culturally in all spheres of public life) which is the last thing the populace of a sovereign nation wants.

Apparently even a moderate freedom fighter named Bagha (Quader) Siddiqui commented that out of some 100 District commissioners 85~90% are newly appointed Hindu gentlemen. While this is of no import to me personally, it makes great sensational 'copy' for media reports locally and feeds the 'boogieman' syndrome.

The success of this 'campaign' bodes ill for SHW administration, whether or not the propaganda agrees with facts on the ground. When you have the younger groups of new generation Jamatis (experts in Social Media manipulation) mobilize their fellow 18 year olds with this propaganda, the ranks of new radical recruits to Islamist outfits will swell. SHW administration is quite clumsy in dealing with this 'recruitment'. They simply don't have a counter-tactic to this yet.

I would say that eventually ISIS will utilize this radicalism outgrowth in Bangladesh as a pawn for garnering money and/or moral support and ultimately recruitment.

The more there is local perception that Indian govt. is trying to make Bangladesh a vassal state, the more difficult countering radicalism would be. Modi and SHW govt. both need to work toward tackling this perception using overt statements and assurances.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Indians and illegal indians poising as Bangladeshi and actively glorifying terrorist Faraaz Hossain should be banned. Notifying Canadian and UAE and Australian authorities are not difficult.

You must have a lot of enemies to have said that.

 

[Gufi]

The success of this 'campaign' bodes ill for SHW administration, whether or not the propaganda agrees with facts on the ground.

how true is the propaganda in your eyes... the example you gave etc.... And what policies were used to these choices

SHW administration is quite clumsy in dealing with this 'recruitment'. They simply don't have a counter-tactic to this yet.

They have in other words, divided the nation into two clear factions, on lines of believing or not believing the vassal state issue. Also there was been an over zealous crackdown which has driven more people towards hard line approaches. Which has fostered an environment where radicals can spawn.
The issue of education etc are not the real issues here, Isis is just a flag being used. Otherwise, it seems that the real issues are the policies of the government fracturing the nation to a level of frustration. The educated will write columns and protest, the uneducated will join the protests and those protests may get a little violent, and those who are inclined towards radical solutions and violence will use violence as a ways to a solution. Not mitigating or lessening the issue of tackling Isis or radicalisation, but the real issue seems to be readdressing the policies and stopping the root causes before these fractures turn into larger movements.

 

[Joe Shearer]

O really? Have U ever felt my attributes or Joe Ardvani Mordi Savarker's satanic verses cross saint, bhakht's divinity by reverse term?

Is there an English translation?

 

[laphroaig]

Well to be honest a lot of Hasina's anti-Jamati policies may have been quite heavy-handed (some would argue that these policies were dictated by Modi administration).

Dialogue and detente were foregone in favor of tear-gas, baton charge and in some cases of real bullet usage as well as hanging of top leaders. These heavy-handed tactics resulted in very negative social media coverage for the administration's policies and won lots of public sympathy for Jamat and other religious parties. Bangladeshis are generally a tolerant and religious lot with loads of patience and extreme measures/heavy handed tactics (even by the govt.) are not looked upon favorably when it involves beating up Masjid imams. The few radicals needed heavy handed treatment but appeasement needed to be used with moderate Islamic parties. This policy of promoting the moderates was not followed through.

Some would say that local fringe extremist (and violent) religious parties (like Ansarullah Bangla team) have benefited immensely from this Jamati negative anti-Hasina campaign which convinced the general public about Indian takeover of Bangladesh (politically and/or culturally in all spheres of public life) which is the last thing the populace of a sovereign nation wants.

Apparently even a moderate freedom fighter named Bagha (Quader) Siddiqui commented that out of some 100 District commissioners 85~90% are newly appointed Hindu gentlemen. While this is of no import to me personally, it makes great sensational 'copy' for media reports locally and feeds the 'boogieman' syndrome.

The success of this 'campaign' bodes ill for SHW administration, whether or not the propaganda agrees with facts on the ground. When you have the younger groups of new generation Jamatis (experts in Social Media manipulation) mobilize their fellow 18 year olds with this propaganda, the ranks of new radical recruits to Islamist outfits will swell. SHW administration is quite clumsy in dealing with this 'recruitment'. They simply don't have a counter-tactic to this yet.

I would say that eventually ISIS will utilize this radicalism outgrowth in Bangladesh as a pawn for garnering money and/or moral support and ultimately recruitment.

The more there is local perception that Indian govt. is trying to make Bangladesh a vassal state, the more difficult countering radicalism would be. Modi and SHW govt. both need to work toward tackling this perception using overt statements and assurances.

Thank you for your piece Bilal.

My question is, during the recent border accord, India in spite of negotiating from a position of strength, was actually a net giver of land. Everyone recognized that. On both sides. Many of us did not quite like it, but in the final analysis, we recognized the reality on the ground, over the past few decades, the reality of population masses and movements, and reconciled ourselves to the most palatable option of peace and lack of friction with an important neighbor.

So where does this "vassal state" narrative in Bangladesh stem from?

 

[Zabaniyah]

The guy named Farhaan Hossain who refused to leave his friends on mercy of terrorists is being called a terrorist by this low life (sorry for name calling).

Such posters along with asad71 are highest degree of terrorist sympathisers and perhaps using PDF as a breeding ground for people with their mentality.

@Oscar @WebMaster @waz @Arsalan

@BDforever @M_Saint @Loki @bongbang @Roybot @Levina @Joe Shearer

Faraaz being a terrorist was a theory that popped up on social media. Let the authorities investigate, even though a photo of his dead body has emerged. It would be unlikely that he was among them.

Reminds me of a saying.

There are three types of reality:
1) Somebody else's reality
2) Your reality
3) The truth.

Anyone fashioning information according to his/her liking is doomed to repeat the mistakes of yesterday.

I find it insensitive to say the least to use this tragedy to score brownie points. I've seen Bangladeshis on Facebook praising Faraaz's sacrifice, and so are local and international media. Does that make them terrorists? That is how truly disconnected he really is from the realities Bangladeshis face.