Dalai Lama to retire from political life

[huzihaidao12]

Chou en Lai chose Deng and not the Chinese people.

Chinese people choose nobody. They are just there to respond positively to the CCP and its activities.

Deng was not even the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China.

He was a peasant in Guang'an, Sichuan, China, who did well.

He was purged twice during the Cultural Revolution but regained prominence in 1978 by outmaneuvering Mao's chosen successor, Hua Guofeng.

Poor man that he was, during the Cultural Revolution, Deng Xiaoping and his family were targeted by Red Guards. Red Guards imprisoned Deng's son, Deng Pufang. Deng Pufang was tortured and forced out of the window in a four-story building, becoming a paraplegic.

One party rule with one man as the head and a cosmetic advisory committee means dictatorship, take it or leave it! That is how the world sees and that is what totalitarianism means!

You are too ignorant about Chinese history, so I think you really do not know what you're saying.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So whats new about it,he himself had claimed tibet is legally a part of china,its u who everytime jump with the rhetoric of Indian wet dreams and tibetian wet dreams.

The problem is that u people r not even ready to provide the greater autonomy they desire.

If you read my post, you'll see I was responding to this post from Salim:

It is true that the Dalai Lama and his followers do not recognise China, but that does not make them Indians or sons of India. Even the Tibetans born in India are not Indian citizens.

Which is complete nonsense of course.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Cross,

I am sorry China has never asked the Dalai Lama to return.

Please provide links if you will.

It is not you who decides who runs the Chinese Govt.

It is the CCP!

Isn't it obvious?

If I maybe allowed to remind, do let us know how the Chinese people elect/ select their representatives to the Peoples national Congress which is said to endorse policies of governance.

Now, if the people neither elect/ select their representatives, then how can the people so loudly and proudly proclaim that they will not allow the Maoists to return?

It is the CCP who will decide as they have decided all along!!

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[Tiki Tam Tam]

You are too ignorant about Chinese history, so I think you really do not know what you're saying.

The usual ploy when you cannot give contrary points or corrections - You are too ignorant about Chinese history, so I think you really do not know what you're saying.

May I most gracefully beseech you to prove that the facts given in my above post is wrong. Of course, not through gut feeling but with facts, if you will.

Just to recapitulate:

1. Chou en Lai chose Deng and not the Chinese people.

2. Chinese people choose nobody. They are just there to respond positively to the CCP and its activities.

3. Deng was not even the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China.

4. He was a peasant in Guang'an, Sichuan, China, who did well.

5. He was purged twice during the Cultural Revolution but regained prominence in 1978 by outmaneuvering Mao's chosen successor, Hua Guofeng.

6. Poor man that he was, during the Cultural Revolution, Deng Xiaoping and his family were targeted by Red Guards. Red Guards imprisoned Deng's son, Deng Pufang. Deng Pufang was tortured and forced out of the window in a four-story building, becoming a paraplegic.

7. One party rule with one man as the head and a cosmetic advisory committee means dictatorship, take it or leave it! That is how the world sees and that is what totalitarianism means!


Thank you.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

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朱维群:因为今天咱们是中德两国人士谈话，我不想点第三国的名字。在国际金融危机的情况下，这笔资金比2008年增加了25%，可以说是不惜工本。这个钱仅仅是有些国家和势力给达赖经济支持的一小部分。但是，正是这样一些支持，使得达赖喇嘛不能正确看待自己的位置和前途，使得他做出一系列的错误判断和选择，使得他难以和中央改善关系，使得他离回家的路越来越远。实际上这些支持是坑了达赖喇嘛。

I am afraid it is what the English would say 'gibberish' to me.

Translate in English if you will so that a non Chinese can understand.

I think it should not be difficult. I have even enumerated it in point form to make it easy. Surely, each can be given one line enjoinder, can it not?

 

[cross1993]

You feel that democracies don't believe in the Freedom in governance (the inputs that you have enumerated)?

They do and in addition, they allow Individual Freedom. The right of man to live and choose his own way of life and not be robotic and like Pavlovian Dogs be conditioned to reflexes.

To understand this, Google Pavlov, Pavlovian Dogs and Conditioned Reflexes.

The other point is slogans do not make a programme or a thought or a policy. Slogans are garbage in and garbage out. What matter is action.

Heard of the Chinese and the Japanese standoff over the islands? Non interference indeed!

The Monkeys in bare are proud they can run naked in the forest and laugh at the human living in the city saying look you have no freedom but law...

I repeat:
1. Chinese people believe that, Chinese-style Democracy is people-oriented and Prosperous life.
Chinese people believe that the reality and Collectivism, Chinese people believe that prosperous life important than a single vote.
We know Western media hopes that China has a bloody revolution, to terminate the rise of China, but that is impossible.

2. Ordinary Chinese people can become president, but not through the media to get the seat. You have to start from the most junior civil servants, You must through capacity and effort been promoted again and again, So he is definitely not a fool who can be president.
So USA had some good president, for example: Clinton, Bush(old)...and USA also had some bad president, for example(only my opinion): Bush(young), Obama...But the China National policy is very stable. That is the advantage of the Chinese govt.

3. Wall Street can control USA gov through the media.
For example, family planning, state-owned enterprises reform, etc... these policies all can not implemented in the USA. Because selfish media will destroy it all, and USA President also did not dare to do it. But China can do it!

4. Does Hu Jintao have term limits ? Yes, 10 Years.
Does China's rights by one person to master it? No, nine people rule the country together. Hu Jintao's State Rights a lot less than Obama.

5. China will continue to increase democracy politics? Yes, Of course. China's model of democracy will be Nordic. We will continue political reform, never stops.

 

[rcrmj]

You say they defected, I say, they were driven out by invaders.

ok now i get it why every year millions of ur sorry poor fellowers leaving the slum to escape from life time slavery from ur gov, lol cheap shooter!

 

[cross1993]

The usual ploy when you cannot give contrary points or corrections - You are too ignorant about Chinese history, so I think you really do not know what you're saying.

May I most gracefully beseech you to prove that the facts given in my above post is wrong. Of course, not through gut feeling but with facts, if you will.

Just to recapitulate:

1. Chou en Lai chose Deng and not the Chinese people.

2. Chinese people choose nobody. They are just there to respond positively to the CCP and its activities.

3. Deng was not even the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China.

4. He was a peasant in Guang'an, Sichuan, China, who did well.

5. He was purged twice during the Cultural Revolution but regained prominence in 1978 by outmaneuvering Mao's chosen successor, Hua Guofeng.

6. Poor man that he was, during the Cultural Revolution, Deng Xiaoping and his family were targeted by Red Guards. Red Guards imprisoned Deng's son, Deng Pufang. Deng Pufang was tortured and forced out of the window in a four-story building, becoming a paraplegic.

7. One party rule with one man as the head and a cosmetic advisory committee means dictatorship, take it or leave it! That is how the world sees and that is what totalitarianism means!


Thank you.

Yes, Mostly correct, But the Chinese people have chosen Deng Xiaoping.
If there is no Deng Xiaoping's reforms, Chinese people will choose to overthrow the CPC.

And we will not allow the Maoists have the country-right again.
Deng-Xiaoping-factions CPC have proved they are right. We will support them.

As for how the world sees China, it does not matter, take Chinese-rules or leave China.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

@Salim:

Hong Kong has never been democratic. We have never been able to vote for our leaders, we have never had "universal suffrage".

Yet our GDP per capita is 30 times higher than that of India! We have the second-highest life expectancy in the world, high standard of living, one of the lowest crimes rates in the world, terrorism here is virtually non-existant, etc.

Would I prefer to live in a "non-democratic" Hong Kong... or in a poor and "democratic" India?

The answer is obviously Hong Kong.

 

[huzihaidao12]

The usual ploy when you cannot give contrary points or corrections - You are too ignorant about Chinese history, so I think you really do not know what you're saying.

May I most gracefully beseech you to prove that the facts given in my above post is wrong. Of course, not through gut feeling but with facts, if you will.

Just to recapitulate:

1. Chou en Lai chose Deng and not the Chinese people.

2. Chinese people choose nobody. They are just there to respond positively to the CCP and its activities.

3. Deng was not even the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China.

4. He was a peasant in Guang'an, Sichuan, China, who did well.

5. He was purged twice during the Cultural Revolution but regained prominence in 1978 by outmaneuvering Mao's chosen successor, Hua Guofeng.

6. Poor man that he was, during the Cultural Revolution, Deng Xiaoping and his family were targeted by Red Guards. Red Guards imprisoned Deng's son, Deng Pufang. Deng Pufang was tortured and forced out of the window in a four-story building, becoming a paraplegic.

7. One party rule with one man as the head and a cosmetic advisory committee means dictatorship, take it or leave it! That is how the world sees and that is what totalitarianism means!


Thank you.

I said, you are too ignorant, in 1979 the Chinese government covered up many facts, you say comes from that. But if I explain to you, it is too complicated, really, to explain from scratch, if you understand Chinese, I can assure you recommend some articles and historical information, if the English, is too complicated to explain. incidentally, Deng was recommended by MAO.

 

[rcrmj]

But not the right to reproduce.

Anyways, do try to stay on topic once in a while.

lol a cheap shooter asks others to stay on topic, lol!

 

[cross1993]

@Chinese PDF member

I think Salim is not a Indian-troll, we should give to him politely.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I am afraid it is what the English would say 'gibberish' to me.

Translate in English if you will so that a non Chinese can understand.

I think it should not be difficult. I have even enumerated it in point form to make it easy. Surely, each can be given one line enjoinder, can it not?

达赖喇嘛不能正确看待自己的位置和前途，使得他做出一系列的错误判断和选择，使得他难以 和中央改善关系，使得他离回家的路越来越远

For DALA could not see his location and the right future, so he made ​​a series of miscalculations and choice, it is difficult to improve relations and the central, making him more and more away from the road for go home

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Who be his successor if he rtd

 

[huzihaidao12]

@Chinese PDF member

I think Salim is not a Indian-troll, we should give to him politely.

I'm just pointing out that he thought he knew China, but far from the truth.