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Current attrition rate in PAF

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Does anyone know the current attrition rate in PAF especially for the last decade? I just read an old article from Air Marshal (Retd) AYAZ AHMAD KHAN that talked about attrition rate in PAF between 1991 and 1998 and that seemed to be high.

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I think Perhaps you forgot to mention this.

Inspite of the fact that its fighter fleet is of 1960 and 1970 vintage, PAF’s flight safety record compares well with the best air forces of the world. The PAF flies fighters of Chinese origin like F-6, A-5 FT-5 fighter trainers, which were designed in the 1950’s and manufactured under liscence in China during the sixties. Similarly the large PAF fleet of French Mirage III’s and V’s is also of sixties vintage. Infact half of them are second hand Australian and French aircraft rebuilt at Kamra. All these old fighter aircraft have been overhauled and rebuilt several times.
 
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thats pretty cool how we can still manage to run planes back from the 50's and 60's god has gifted are people masallah
 
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From 2001 onwards, Pakistan Air Forces lost 66 aircraft - or four squadrons worth. (ofcourse this includes transports, helicopters light aircraft etc).
 
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From 2001 onwards, Pakistan Air Forces lost 66 aircraft - or four squadrons worth. (ofcourse this includes transports, helicopters light aircraft etc).

Compare that to IAF attrition rate since 2001.
 
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From 2001 onwards, Pakistan Air Forces lost 66 aircraft - or four squadrons worth. (ofcourse this includes transports, helicopters light aircraft etc).
You probably also forgot to read the following..

The PAF accident rate for 1997 till Aug 98 is one aircraft per 10000 hours, and is a tribute to the high expertise and dedication of technician, engineers and professional excellence of PAF fighter pilots. This flight safety performance could be favourably compared with the abysmal flight safety record of 2.5 aircraft lost per ten thousand flying hours during 1991 to 1996 the Indian Air Force. On April 30, 1998 Air Chief Marshal SK Sareen, Chief of the Air Staff IAF had expressed concern over IAF’s high accident rate from technical causes i.e. poor maintenance, component failures. On June 09, 1998.
The Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of the Govenment of India criticised the IAF for its poor flight safety record and lack of fighter pilot training facilities. Lok Sabah was informed that the IAF had lost 147 aircraft and 63 pilots in 187 accidents and 2729 incidentduring 1991-97 . The accident rate of the fighter stream, particularly Mig-21 variants continues to be very high. Of the 147 aircraft lost in major accidents 41 percent were due to avoidable human error and 44 percent were attributable to technical defects. Mig-21 variants were involved in 62 percent of fighter aircraft accidents. Accidents in the IAF have led to mutiny by fighter pilots of Mig-21 squadrons who refused to fly Mig-21 aircraft built or overhauled indigenously. The IAF Mig-21 is held in contempt by IAF pilots and many call it The flying coffin. Last year there was a widely reported mutiny at all IAF Bases by demoralized officers and men of all branches except some fighter units. The high accident rate of the IAF fighters and low IAF morale in the past should be no consolation for the PAF authorities.
 
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Compare that to IAF attrition rate since 2001.

Yes its high. IAF lost 155 aircraft from what I can count since 2001. Averaging 19.5 per year.


But a lot of things seem to have changed in the past three years.

In 2006,2007,2008 - The IAF lost 36 aircraft (average of 12 aircraft per year)

In the same time frame PAF lost 29 aircraft (Average of 9.66 aircraft per year)

If you look into the differences in the size of the airforces, the PAF accident rate for the past three years is vastly higher than the IAF.
 
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You proably also forgot to read the following..
The PAF accident rate for 1997 till Aug 98 is one aircraft per 10000 hours, and is a tribute to the high expertise and dedication of technician, engineers and professional excellence of PAF fighter pilots. This flight safety performance could be favourably compared with the abysmal flight safety record of 2.5 aircraft lost per ten thousand flying hours during 1991 to 1996 the Indian Air Force. On April 30, 1998 Air Chief Marshal SK Sareen, Chief of the Air Staff IAF had expressed concern over IAF’s high accident rate from technical causes i.e. poor maintenance, component failures. On June 09, 1998.
The Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of the Govenment of India criticised the IAF for its poor flight safety record and lack of fighter pilot training facilities. Lok Sabah was informed that the IAF had lost 147 aircraft and 63 pilots in 187 accidents and 2729 incidentduring 1991-97 . The accident rate of the fighter stream, particularly Mig-21 variants continues to be very high. Of the 147 aircraft lost in major accidents 41 percent were due to avoidable human error and 44 percent were attributable to technical defects. Mig-21 variants were involved in 62 percent of fighter aircraft accidents. Accidents in the IAF have led to mutiny by fighter pilots of Mig-21 squadrons who refused to fly Mig-21 aircraft built or overhauled indigenously. The IAF Mig-21 is held in contempt by IAF pilots and many call it The flying coffin. Last year there was a widely reported mutiny at all IAF Bases by demoralized officers and men of all branches except some fighter units. The high accident rate of the IAF fighters and low IAF morale in the past should be no consolation for the PAF authorities.

So they are particularly reluctant to fly those aircrafts that were build or overhauled in India.
 
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So they are particularly reluctant to fly those aircrafts that were build or overhauled in India.

They are probably even afraid of flying Mirage 2000 and SU-30s as they are now being modified inside india:angel:
 
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They are probably even afraid of flying Mirage 2000 and SU-30s as they are now being modified inside india:angel:

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nice mate su-30mkis are being BUILT IN INDIA lets see how your jf-17 being BUILT THERE are gonna give creepers to your fighter jocks :rofl:

so please stop posting BS:argh:

:cheers:
 
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nice mate su-30mkis are being BUILT IN INDIA lets see how your jf-17 being BUILT THERE are gonna give creepers to your fighter jocks :rofl:
so please stop posting BS:argh:
Chill, he is joking!
Anyways, PAF pilots happily fly 40 year old single engined Mirages overhauled/re-built, including engines, in Pakistan by PAC (so do other countries operating Mirage). Same with Shenyang F-6 for many decades.

They will be very happy to fly JF-17 built by PAC too. :cool:
 
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Chill, he is joking!
Anyways, PAF pilots happily fly 40 year old single engined Mirages overhauled/re-built, including engines, in Pakistan by PAC (so do other countries operating Mirage). Same with Shenyang F-6 for many decades.

They will be very happy to fly JF-17 built by PAC too. :cool:

IF U GUYS REALLY WANNA JOKE PLZ START A HUMOR THREAD:hitwall:
 
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:wave:

nice mate su-30mkis are being BUILT IN INDIA lets see how your jf-17 being BUILT THERE are gonna give creepers to your fighter jocks :rofl:

so please stop posting BS:argh:

:cheers:

You really are lame!
Stop getting emotional, relax and be cool! You cant help the 'dropping' of IAF's jets from the sky like rocks by whining on this forum!! Okay! So chill!

And BTW we are proudly flying the JF-17s! So you can just burn your blood and do NOTHING!!!
 
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You really are lame!
Stop getting emotional, relax and be cool! You cant help the 'dropping' of IAF's jets from the sky like rocks by whining on this forum!! Okay! So chill!

And BTW we are proudly flying the JF-17s! So you can just burn your blood and do NOTHING!!!

same old BS again u really dont get tired dont you

u are not flying the jf -17s as i am not flying the su-30 or the mirage so just cut the crap if U think i am whining i think you have not just got your BRAIN WASHED BUT DRY CLEANED AND PRESSED TO SUIT ALL THAT IDIOTIC DATA UP IN YOUR HEAD :cheesy:

this is the last reply to your BS:argh:

:cheers:
 
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