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If greeked had succeeded, you will say how sagacious the greeks are, people of a land which gave us great philosophers have be be wise, and how brits were uncivilized till romans conquered, even then they were considered just a frontier, surely the stupidity continues till date.... :p:
Anything "wise" produced by Greece was thousands of years ago. Since then, it has been one way downhill :D
 
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The Greeks still don't understand.Saw bunch of them today in interviews saying they'll vote NO because they don't want their social spendings cut.These people still don't understand what's happenning to them or what's coming....

They have built up a culture of blaming others, they still blame Turkey for invading Cyprus when it was clearly their fault for trying to annex the island to Greece and Cleanse the island from Turkish Cypriots.

TBH, I don't feel sorry for them at all, they dug their own grave, from which they will never claw their way out with their current attitude..
 
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Funny. Its not the person borrowing that can be blamed for all his sickness, rather the creditor as well. Both parties are equally to blame for current Greece debacle, yet almost everybody is blaming Greeks? Why on earth would you pay already debt overloaded country with more odious debt in hopes of letting them stay in the eurozone? Its like treating a drug addict with more drugs hoping he will eventually "recover". That's what troika did to Greece post financial crisis. It was their so-called "brilliant" austerity plan that destroyed what was left of Greek economy.

Actually, the 2010-2011 bailouts were to protect German banks that had massive exposure to Greece. Had Greece defaulted then, it would have cascaded throuh the German (and EU) financial system. The bailout bought the banks time to unload positions and reduce exposure.

That is why the Eurogroup is inflexible today: they have successfully insulated the rest of the EU from the fallout of a Grexit.
 
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The jews have screwed Greece and they will also take revenge from Germany ( if they can! ) for WWII

Why is Greece the most anti-Semitic country in Europe?
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Sure it was a Jewish head of IMF, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, that screwed Greece back in 2010:

How did it come to this? How did Greece end up joining Somalia, Sudan and Zimbabwe on a list of countries officially in “arrears” to the International Monetary Fund?

It will be a humiliating day for Greece to find itself numbered among such failed states which have, in effect, stiffed the other governments of the world. But make no mistake: this is also a humiliating day for the IMF itself.

The Greek default is a culmination of a catastrophic chain of misjudgements by the Washington-based Fund, stretching all the way back to May 2010, when it was called in by the eurozone authorities to participate in a financial rescue for Greece.

The Fund is supposed to offer emergency liquidity funding to states on the condition that they implement measures to put themselves on a sustainable path. This means enacting serious structural economic reforms and writing off excess sovereign debts.

But the former head of the IMF, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, ignored that rulebook five years ago. When the Fund arrived, Greece's sovereign debt burden in 2010 had already spiralled to 133 per cent of GDP and should clearly have been written down, with the holders of the debt forced to swallow big losses.

Yet Mr Strauss-Kahn acquiesced in the insistence of the Europeans that Greece’s sovereign debts should not be restructured and that the country should be made to pay-off its liabilities in full.

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Ballot papers are prepared for the Greek referendum on whether to accept bailout conditions (EPA)

The eurocrats argued that with other struggling eurozone countries (such as Portugal, Ireland, Italy and Spain) under scrutiny from the markets, a Greek write-off would trigger mass panic. That was bad enough of course, since it meant the IMF was effectively busy propping up the broader eurozone, rather than thinking about Greece’s best interests.

But what made the episode a true scandal was that European leaders were also mindful that German and French banks held sizeable chunks of Greece’s sovereign debt on their books. A write-down would have forced those banks to record big losses. They might have even needed a public bailout.

It’s perhaps no surprise that Germany’s Angela Merkel and France’s Nicolas Sarkozy wanted to avoid that. But a technocratic institution such as the IMF should never have gone along with it.

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People stand in a queue to use an ATM outside a closed bank in Athens (AP)

The IMF’s second terrible failure over Greece was in underestimating the negative economic impact of the public-sector budget cuts it joined with Brussels in imposing on Athens. In 2010, the Fund predicted Greece would experience a sharp and relatively short recession from austerity. But in fact, the country’s output fell steadily for the next four years and unemployment surged to a quarter of the workforce. Greece suffered a re-run of America’s Great Depression. It has been one of the biggest economic policy disasters since the Second World War.

The Fund’s leadership has never fully faced up to these blunders. And this silence has helped to destroy trust between Europe and Greece. It has enabled a poisonous myth to take hold in Europe that an ungrateful Greece population has benefited immensely from the generosity of neighbours. In reality the vast bulk of the €240bn bailout cash has flowed right out of the door again to pay external creditors and to recapitalise Greek banks. Just 10 per cent of that sum was spent on Greek public sector workers and pensioners.

The IMF has also clearly not learned its lesson on the economic impact of austerity either. The Greek economy is back in recession again but the Fund is still demanding public pension cuts and VAT increases. While these reforms are sound in normal times, if implemented now they would merely inflict more damage on the Greek economy, further crush its GDP and make the national debt burden still higher.

It is perfectly true that Greece dug its own grave. Successive governments in Athens fiddled their accounts, overspent grotesquely, and turned a blind eye to rampant tax evasion. But none of that excuses the incompetence and cowardice of the IMF over the past five years.

Countries that go into arrears with the IMF must clear them within two years or risk being expelled as members. One must hope this will not be the next sorry chapter in Greece’s humiliation. But it will certainly be many decades before the IMF’s reputation is cleared of its shameful role in the Greek catastrophe.
Greece crisis: IMF was pushed around by Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy – and now it is being humiliated - Business Comment - Business - The Independent

@LeveragedBuyout @Hyperion @hinduguy

For Goodness sake, stop blaming Greeks for the mess. It was a EU-IMF led disaster, not a greek initiated one.

That is why the Eurogroup is inflexible today: they have successfully insulated the rest of the EU from the fallout of a Grexit.
Not really. If Greece leaves, other broken economies of the EU will follow.
 
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Sure it was a Jewish head of IMF, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, that screwed Greece back in 2010:

How did it come to this? How did Greece end up joining Somalia, Sudan and Zimbabwe on a list of countries officially in “arrears” to the International Monetary Fund?

It will be a humiliating day for Greece to find itself numbered among such failed states which have, in effect, stiffed the other governments of the world. But make no mistake: this is also a humiliating day for the IMF itself.

The Greek default is a culmination of a catastrophic chain of misjudgements by the Washington-based Fund, stretching all the way back to May 2010, when it was called in by the eurozone authorities to participate in a financial rescue for Greece.

The Fund is supposed to offer emergency liquidity funding to states on the condition that they implement measures to put themselves on a sustainable path. This means enacting serious structural economic reforms and writing off excess sovereign debts.

But the former head of the IMF, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, ignored that rulebook five years ago. When the Fund arrived, Greece's sovereign debt burden in 2010 had already spiralled to 133 per cent of GDP and should clearly have been written down, with the holders of the debt forced to swallow big losses.

Yet Mr Strauss-Kahn acquiesced in the insistence of the Europeans that Greece’s sovereign debts should not be restructured and that the country should be made to pay-off its liabilities in full.

pg-25-mcrae-epa.jpg

Ballot papers are prepared for the Greek referendum on whether to accept bailout conditions (EPA)

The eurocrats argued that with other struggling eurozone countries (such as Portugal, Ireland, Italy and Spain) under scrutiny from the markets, a Greek write-off would trigger mass panic. That was bad enough of course, since it meant the IMF was effectively busy propping up the broader eurozone, rather than thinking about Greece’s best interests.

But what made the episode a true scandal was that European leaders were also mindful that German and French banks held sizeable chunks of Greece’s sovereign debt on their books. A write-down would have forced those banks to record big losses. They might have even needed a public bailout.

It’s perhaps no surprise that Germany’s Angela Merkel and France’s Nicolas Sarkozy wanted to avoid that. But a technocratic institution such as the IMF should never have gone along with it.

pg-19-greece-3-ap.jpg


People stand in a queue to use an ATM outside a closed bank in Athens (AP)

The IMF’s second terrible failure over Greece was in underestimating the negative economic impact of the public-sector budget cuts it joined with Brussels in imposing on Athens. In 2010, the Fund predicted Greece would experience a sharp and relatively short recession from austerity. But in fact, the country’s output fell steadily for the next four years and unemployment surged to a quarter of the workforce. Greece suffered a re-run of America’s Great Depression. It has been one of the biggest economic policy disasters since the Second World War.

The Fund’s leadership has never fully faced up to these blunders. And this silence has helped to destroy trust between Europe and Greece. It has enabled a poisonous myth to take hold in Europe that an ungrateful Greece population has benefited immensely from the generosity of neighbours. In reality the vast bulk of the €240bn bailout cash has flowed right out of the door again to pay external creditors and to recapitalise Greek banks. Just 10 per cent of that sum was spent on Greek public sector workers and pensioners.

The IMF has also clearly not learned its lesson on the economic impact of austerity either. The Greek economy is back in recession again but the Fund is still demanding public pension cuts and VAT increases. While these reforms are sound in normal times, if implemented now they would merely inflict more damage on the Greek economy, further crush its GDP and make the national debt burden still higher.

It is perfectly true that Greece dug its own grave. Successive governments in Athens fiddled their accounts, overspent grotesquely, and turned a blind eye to rampant tax evasion. But none of that excuses the incompetence and cowardice of the IMF over the past five years.

Countries that go into arrears with the IMF must clear them within two years or risk being expelled as members. One must hope this will not be the next sorry chapter in Greece’s humiliation. But it will certainly be many decades before the IMF’s reputation is cleared of its shameful role in the Greek catastrophe.
Greece crisis: IMF was pushed around by Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy – and now it is being humiliated - Business Comment - Business - The Independent

@LeveragedBuyout @Hyperion @hinduguy

For Goodness sake, stop blaming Greeks for the mess. It was a EU-IMF led disaster, not a greek initiated one.


Not really. If Greece leaves, other broken economies of the EU will follow.


Look, sorry, but the best way to avoid the IMF's incompetence is to not need its help. The Asian crisis was a great lesson in this IMF's extreme focus on austerity, and Greece didn't learn that lesson, but instead kept splurging.

True, the IMF made the problem worse, but the fundamental issue was Greece's profligate spending. It doesn't mMs sense to put blame equally on both the borrower and lender, especially when the borrower lied about his ability to repay. Yes, the IMF should have called for a debt write-off, but why didn't the Greeks do their part by defaulting, instead of screaming for a bailout?

All the rhetoric aside, only Greece can solve Greek problems. And that means a Grexit, and pain during the adjustment period. Greece has preferred death by a thousand cuts (bailout, austerity), but now it's time to stiffen the spine, take responsibility, and do what needs to be done: default.

Regarding the other PIIGS: contagion seems unlikely, since they have done what the Greeks have not, and made the adjustments demanded by the Eurogroup.
 
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Dude, I'm not laying the blame entirely on the Greeks, I knew of their capacity long before the first tranche of bailout package even flowed-in. I blame my bosses and the Greek consultants equally for overestimating their capabilities to repay the money...... not enough time was spent listening to all the stakeholders and the modalities were worked out in haste, precisely what the article mentions.......

This is not the end of it, you'll see the blowback from other 'weaker' eurozone economies within six months.... this is a shit -storm of gigantic proportions in the making......... don't even get me started on what's in store for the Euro........ this is bad, very very bad indeed.


Sure it was a Jewish head of IMF, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, that screwed Greece back in 2010:

How did it come to this? How did Greece end up joining Somalia, Sudan and Zimbabwe on a list of countries officially in “arrears” to the International Monetary Fund?

It will be a humiliating day for Greece to find itself numbered among such failed states which have, in effect, stiffed the other governments of the world. But make no mistake: this is also a humiliating day for the IMF itself.

The Greek default is a culmination of a catastrophic chain of misjudgements by the Washington-based Fund, stretching all the way back to May 2010, when it was called in by the eurozone authorities to participate in a financial rescue for Greece.

The Fund is supposed to offer emergency liquidity funding to states on the condition that they implement measures to put themselves on a sustainable path. This means enacting serious structural economic reforms and writing off excess sovereign debts.

But the former head of the IMF, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, ignored that rulebook five years ago. When the Fund arrived, Greece's sovereign debt burden in 2010 had already spiralled to 133 per cent of GDP and should clearly have been written down, with the holders of the debt forced to swallow big losses.

Yet Mr Strauss-Kahn acquiesced in the insistence of the Europeans that Greece’s sovereign debts should not be restructured and that the country should be made to pay-off its liabilities in full.

pg-25-mcrae-epa.jpg

Ballot papers are prepared for the Greek referendum on whether to accept bailout conditions (EPA)

The eurocrats argued that with other struggling eurozone countries (such as Portugal, Ireland, Italy and Spain) under scrutiny from the markets, a Greek write-off would trigger mass panic. That was bad enough of course, since it meant the IMF was effectively busy propping up the broader eurozone, rather than thinking about Greece’s best interests.

But what made the episode a true scandal was that European leaders were also mindful that German and French banks held sizeable chunks of Greece’s sovereign debt on their books. A write-down would have forced those banks to record big losses. They might have even needed a public bailout.

It’s perhaps no surprise that Germany’s Angela Merkel and France’s Nicolas Sarkozy wanted to avoid that. But a technocratic institution such as the IMF should never have gone along with it.

pg-19-greece-3-ap.jpg


People stand in a queue to use an ATM outside a closed bank in Athens (AP)

The IMF’s second terrible failure over Greece was in underestimating the negative economic impact of the public-sector budget cuts it joined with Brussels in imposing on Athens. In 2010, the Fund predicted Greece would experience a sharp and relatively short recession from austerity. But in fact, the country’s output fell steadily for the next four years and unemployment surged to a quarter of the workforce. Greece suffered a re-run of America’s Great Depression. It has been one of the biggest economic policy disasters since the Second World War.

The Fund’s leadership has never fully faced up to these blunders. And this silence has helped to destroy trust between Europe and Greece. It has enabled a poisonous myth to take hold in Europe that an ungrateful Greece population has benefited immensely from the generosity of neighbours. In reality the vast bulk of the €240bn bailout cash has flowed right out of the door again to pay external creditors and to recapitalise Greek banks. Just 10 per cent of that sum was spent on Greek public sector workers and pensioners.

The IMF has also clearly not learned its lesson on the economic impact of austerity either. The Greek economy is back in recession again but the Fund is still demanding public pension cuts and VAT increases. While these reforms are sound in normal times, if implemented now they would merely inflict more damage on the Greek economy, further crush its GDP and make the national debt burden still higher.

It is perfectly true that Greece dug its own grave. Successive governments in Athens fiddled their accounts, overspent grotesquely, and turned a blind eye to rampant tax evasion. But none of that excuses the incompetence and cowardice of the IMF over the past five years.

Countries that go into arrears with the IMF must clear them within two years or risk being expelled as members. One must hope this will not be the next sorry chapter in Greece’s humiliation. But it will certainly be many decades before the IMF’s reputation is cleared of its shameful role in the Greek catastrophe.
Greece crisis: IMF was pushed around by Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy – and now it is being humiliated - Business Comment - Business - The Independent

@LeveragedBuyout @Hyperion @hinduguy

For Goodness sake, stop blaming Greeks for the mess. It was a EU-IMF led disaster, not a greek initiated one.


Not really. If Greece leaves, other broken economies of the EU will follow.
 
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This is not the end of it, you'll see the blowback from other 'weaker' eurozone economies within six months.... this is a shit -storm of gigantic proportions in the making......... don't even get me started on what's in store for the Euro........ this is bad, very very bad indeed.
Thank goodness, my country Norway is not part of the Euroweenie-zone as we call it here :D
 
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Its unfortunate but most of humanity is suffering.

The people of Greece wont starve, they wont be invaded nor will they be divided up by opportunist foreign vultures.

There is a lesson to be learnt here and if the Greek people are finally awakened to their past follies, they will come out stronger. If they learn nothing from this lesson, they will just develop a culture of defaulting and fiscal irresponsibility.

This is Greece's 4th or 5th Bankruptcy since 1920, isn't it? Although I have empathy for all those people who are suffering thanks to crony capitalism but Greeks must also understand that there is a chronic problem with how their country is being run, not to mention they had been free loading for decades at larger Europe's expense.
 
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I know. Norway is one of my most fav destinations... my sister owns several houses there, one I made her buy for me in her name.......just hate the fvcking taxman there......... as I'm used to "creative accounting" in 'offshore' locations..... :p:

Thank goodness, my country Norway is not part of the Euroweenie-zone as we call it here :D
 
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Yeah, blame the poor for all its problems. Typical crony Capitalist.


And ensure mass capital flight out of the country? Don't people understand that raising the taxes with no capital controls is counter productive?

Crony capitalist don't like to pay taxes, I just said they should have. I don't see the link between what I said and what you called me.

I have sympathy for the poor, but when a society doesn't pay their taxes, they have no one to blame but themselves.
 
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Maybe they should have paid their taxes and avoided all this.

He us a retiree he did his work

It's pretty sad what is happening to the common folk in Greece, however, noone thought twice to not vote the political parties in the last decades that promised more and more benefits to pensioners and public sector.

Country where i live, Slovenia, has the highest exposure to Greece in gdp percentage terms (3.1%) of all creditors and pensioners here have one third lower pensions than what Greeks had. **** it. They are themselves to blame.



Go read about Greek history, financial, in the last 200 years. Maybe you'll find some parallels between that and your last sentence.

I agree wuth you it is the fault of the Greek people
 
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Look, sorry, but the best way to avoid the IMF's incompetence is to not need its help. The Asian crisis was a great lesson in this IMF's extreme focus on austerity, and Greece didn't learn that lesson, but instead kept splurging.

True, the IMF made the problem worse, but the fundamental issue was Greece's profligate spending. It doesn't mMs sense to put blame equally on both the borrower and lender, especially when the borrower lied about his ability to repay. Yes, the IMF should have called for a debt write-off, but why didn't the Greeks do their part by defaulting, instead of screaming for a bailout?

All the rhetoric aside, only Greece can solve Greek problems. And that means a Grexit, and pain during the adjustment period. Greece has preferred death by a thousand cuts (bailout, austerity), but now it's time to stiffen the spine, take responsibility, and do what needs to be done: default.

Regarding the other PIIGS: contagion seems unlikely, since they have done what the Greeks have not, and made the adjustments demanded by the Eurogroup.

I agree with you, it's all about economic fundamentals. Greece has a weak economy that's not reflected by its currency, cos there isn't any. Comparing to other options, if Greece still maintains political sovereignty as an independent nation, then regaining fiscal sovereignty is a more practical way out to get the fundamentals back in order.
 
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