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Cronyism or protectionism? India halts import of electronic items

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Modi's buddy launches Jio Laptop and Modi bans all electronics imports to India.

Another crony-capitalism Banana Republic at work...


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I see a windfall for smugglers from Bangladesh smuggling Bangladeshi laptops to India. :-)
 
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Not well thought out protectionism that will end up as cronyism.

What incentives do companies have to invest and invest in the hopes that they will one day become competitive in a saturated market.

They will cut corners to earn profits and be caught soon enough as assembling most of the parts made in other countries, especially China.

It’s an easy scam to see. Probably will take about 2-3 years probably 5 years tops to come to light, because of China’s sunk cost (vertical and horizontal integration of whole industries in one place) in many of these fields and therefore lower cost to manufacture at scale.

If these companies earn profits earn on, it’s a dead give away the aren’t manufacturing locally. It may also indicate they have been given sweetheart deals and carve outs to artificially give them market share in a quid pro quo for funding a certain politician or party.
 
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Modi's buddy launches Jio Laptop and Modi bans all electronics imports to India.

HP, Dell and Lenovo already have assembly plants in India. Jio doesn't, if anything this move would only gravely effect Modi's buddy. However I think the real aim of this move is to make Apple start manufacturing Macbooks in India.
 
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Not well thought out protectionism that will end up as cronyism.

What incentives do companies have to invest and invest in the hopes that they will one day become competitive in a saturated market.

They will cut corners to earn profits and be caught soon enough as assembling most of the parts made in other countries, especially China.

It’s an easy scam to see. Probably will take about 2-3 years probably 5 years tops to come to light, because of China’s sunk cost (vertical and horizontal integration of whole industries in one place) in many of these fields and therefore lower cost to manufacture at scale.

If these companies earn profits earn on, it’s a dead give away the aren’t manufacturing locally. It may also indicate they have been given sweetheart deals and carve outs to artificially give them market share in a quid pro quo for funding a certain politician or party.

It's a blade that unfortunately cuts both ways.

You're screwed if you don't allow electronics imports, and screwed if you do.

The "swadeshi" garbage Indian politicians have pushed looked great on paper (to mainly get votes) but did jack for hardware mfg. in India. I recall an Indian friend telling me that HCL-HP was trying to make desktops in India back in the 1990's and no one bought their stuff except some govt. offices. They waited, waited and waited. And now it is a bit late. Never too late however.

They talk about boycotting China but the top three cellphone brands in India are Chinese. I rest my case.

Meanwhile - look at the type of products Walton in Bangladesh is producing and has a robust market for, like peripherals (including the laptops shown above).

Desktop PC's
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All in One PC's
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SATA SSD storage drives
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Micro SD cards
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Smartwatches
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"PaiPai" Integrated Point of Sales solutions
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Smart Card Access Control and Office Worker Time Mgmt. system with fingerprint scanner
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Multi-function printers
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English+Bengali Keyboard
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MU-MIMO-Wi-Fi router
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They won the INTEL Best Market Accelerator of Asia award
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They will cut corners to earn profits and be caught soon enough as assembling most of the parts made in other countries, especially China.
The most expensive parts of a laptop/smartphone such as Processor, memory chip, camera lens and touchscreen are all made in either Japan, SK or Taiwan. Some other critical parts such as gyroscope come from Germany and other countries. If I remember correctly, even for China the IPhone indigenization percentage by value is around 20-25%.
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Until 2019, it was actually less than 10%. Only recently did China start manufacturing batteries, speakers etc for the IPhone which increased their percentage.

I hope at least in the next few years we can develop expertise in medium value components such as batteries and speakers.Now even though the percentage of Chinese components has increased. You can see, for most of the countries it is around 20%.

What is the threshold of value addition, for a country to be considered an laptop/smartphone manufacturers. The suppliers are distributed accross the global & none of them have a majority stake (50% value addition) in laptop/smartphone manufacturing.

Most ICs like DRAM, Flash, Processors, MEMS, camera module, display, semiconductor and battery cells are made in Taiwan, US, Japan or Korea.
These items are the crown jewels of those countries, and also make a large portion of the Bill-of-Materials cost of a laptop/smartphone and super spy like China also has troubles stealing said tech, so at best they are limited to low end production of such items, like their ICs will use a larger technology node( SMIC of China theoretically can do 14nm chip production, their production in reality is 20nm and below, meanwhile you have TSMC at 5nm )

The only state of the art Chinese production of this is of NAND Flash by Samsung in Xian and SK Hynix somewhere else in China.

What parts they add into their laptop/smartphones depends on what $$$ it's going to sell for,high end laptops/smartphones with cutting edge specs will have higher percentage of imported components which are indeed state of the art, lower end phones will have greater chinese contribution, like the screen may come from BOE displays which is a chinese vendor for example.

But even with low end laptops/smartphones they cannot fully supplant the Ebul Phoreners and go full Atmanirbhar Cheen, market forces and customer preferences discourage it, also the capabilities of their companies.
 
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^^^

@beijingwalker brother is he correct (I don't believe so)?

Feel free to have other Chinese brothers post information.
Some even believe that BOE will be left out of the contract this year with Samsung taking the remaining orders

What parts they add into their laptop/smartphones depends on what $$$ it's going to sell for,high end laptops/smartphones with cutting edge specs will have higher percentage of imported components which are indeed state of the art, lower end phones will have greater chinese contribution, like the screen may come from BOE displays which is a chinese vendor for example
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The cheapest Laptop available in Bangladesh is priced around Tk.25,000. However it is spec'd out better than that Jiobook sold in India.

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It's a blade that unfortunately cuts both ways.

You're screwed if you don't allow electronics imports, and screwed if you do.

The "swadeshi" garbage Indian politicians have pushed looked great on paper (to mainly get votes) but did jack for hardware mfg. in India. I recall an Indian friend telling me that HCL-HP was trying to make desktops in India back in the 1990's and no one bought their stuff except some govt. offices. They waited, waited and waited. And now it is a bit late. Never too late however.

They talk about boycotting China but the top three cellphone brands in India are Chinese. I rest my case.

Meanwhile - look at the type of products Walton in Bangladesh is producing and has a robust market for, like peripherals (including the laptops shown above).

Desktop PC's
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All in One PC's
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SATA SSD storage drives
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Micro SD cards
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Smartwatches
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"PaiPai" Integrated Point of Sales solutions
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Smart Card Access Control and Office Worker Time Mgmt. system with fingerprint scanner
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Multi-function printers
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English+Bengali Keyboard
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MU-MIMO-Wi-Fi router
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They won the INTEL Best Market Accelerator of Asia award
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Lol. India would have 70 startups that have better market capitalization than Balton let alone listed companies. @Bilal9 With all this, why is Balton only making 23 crore taka in profit per quarter?
 
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