CPC proposes change on Chinese president's term in Constitution

[Dungeness]

This is what deng said after cultural revolution:

Why is the Central Committee proposing the above changes in the leadership of the State Council?

First of all, it is not good to have an over-concentration of power. It hinders the practice of socialist democracy and of the Party’s democratic centralism, impedes the progress of socialist construction and prevents us from taking full advantage of collective wisdom. Over-concentration of power is liable to give rise to arbitrary rule by individuals at the expense of collective leadership, and it is an important cause of bureaucracy under the present circumstances.

Second, it is not good to have too many people holding two or more posts concurrently or to have too many deputy posts. There is a limit to anyone’s knowledge, experience and energy. If a person holds too many posts at the same time, he will find it difficult to come to grips with the problems in his work and, more important, he will block the way for other more suitable comrades to take up leading posts. Having too many deputy posts leads to low efficiency and contributes to bureaucracy and formalism.

Third, it is time for us to distinguish between the responsibilities of the Party and those of the government and to stop substituting the former for the latter. Those principal leading comrades of the Central Committee who are to be relieved of their concurrent government posts can concentrate their energies on our Party work, on matters concerning the Party’s line, guiding principles and policies. This will help strengthen and improve the unified leadership of the Central Committee, facilitate the establishment of an effective work system at the various levels of government from top to bottom, and promote a better exercise of government functions and powers.

Fourth, we must take the long-term interest into account and solve the problem of the succession in leadership. As precious assets of the Party and state, the older comrades shoulder heavy responsibilities. Their primary task now is to help the Party organizations find worthy successors to work for our cause. This is a solemn duty. It is of great strategic importance for us to ensure the continuity and stability of the correct leadership of our Party and state by having younger comrades take the “front-line” posts while the older comrades give them the necessary advice and support.


https://dengxiaopingworks.wordpress...-of-the-system-of-party-and-state-leadership/

Deng was a great leader but not a god, so his words should be read in the context of time and space. The only thing that is constant is the change itself.

 

[Mista]

This guy is definitely not a Chinese.
Could be one of those increasing number of Gangadeshi students in China.
I doubt Chinese brothers will insult their own as 50 cents.

Why not?

We need to stop insulting people or labelling them names just because they don't share the same views. Attack the argument, not the person. If you have to resort to attacking the person, you have conceded the argument basically.

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谁能帮忙翻译 解释下，，修宪内容是 对国家主席和副主席，不是对党的总书记 ，，
在中国政体里 书记 才是第一
Anyone please help translate

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北京有关人士指出，中国现行宪法制定于1982年。当时，为废除实际存在的领导职务终身制，吸取文革个人崇拜的教训，宪法规定了国家主席连续任职不得超过两届，在客观上限定了中国国家元首任职不能超过10年。

中共于1988年、1993年、1999年、2004年对现行宪法进行了四次修改，但国家主席的两届任期限制一直没有变动。1993年，中共总书记、中央军委主席江泽民接替杨尚昆出任国家主席，定下了总书记、国家主席、中央军委主席“三位一体”的最高领导模式。由于宪法规定国家主席只能任职两届，江泽民和胡锦涛都在国家主席两届期满后让出总书记职务，形成最高权力定期交接的惯例。

...

分析人士指出，这次修宪取消对国家主席任期的限制，显然出乎很多人的意料。中共党章对总书记、中央军委主席的任职期限都没有明文规定，这次修宪等于去掉了“三位一体”领导模式中的“短板”，为最高领导人以“三位一体”模式执掌党政军大权扫除了任期障碍。可以预计，在2022年中共二十大举行后，习近平有望继续担任中共总书记、国家主席和中央军委主席。

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中共中央建议修宪 习近平国家主席任期不受限 http://www.zaobao.com/special/report/politic/cnpol/story20180226-837991?xtor=CS2-6

 

[TaiShang]

Taking Taiwan back is obviously one aim. Also, in my view, institutional corruption will take one generation to root out. It is a cultural problem that entrenched itself between 1990s to 2010. The post-80s generation needs to get to 50 years of age to reverse the culture. So Xi Jinping needs to stay for another 10 to 15 years to finish the mission.

I agree. The term limit extension will likely be an exception, not the rule. In extraordinary times, extraordinary measures are called for. There is no universal law telling that two-term is necessarily better than one term or three terms. In some polities, it is one-term, six-year in power. It is illogical to argue that the two-term countries should copy that.

Xi Jinping has proven to be a very capable and visionary leader. His success is definitely built upon the ones before him, but, the present time is perhaps the most significant ever since the establishment of the country as new China. Xi Jinping needs to oversee this transition while correcting systemic problems that are often the result of explosive growth.

It is not that in East Asia we lack long term serving great visionary leaders.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Well his daughter seems to be the chosen successor.

Like Indira Gandhi?
even Mao did not have the courage to make his daughter a successor.

 

[sinait]

Why not?

We need to stop insulting people or labelling them names just because they don't share the same views. Attack the argument, not the person. If you have to resort to attacking the person, you have conceded the argument basically.
...

北京有关人士指出，中国现行宪法制定于1982年。当时，为废除实际存在的领导职务终身制，吸取文革个人崇拜的教训，宪法规定了国家主席连续任职不得超过两届，在客观上限定了中国国家元首任职不能超过10年。

中共于1988年、1993年、1999年、2004年对现行宪法进行了四次修改，但国家主席的两届任期限制一直没有变动。1993年，中共总书记、中央军委主席江泽民接替杨尚昆出任国家主席，定下了总书记、国家主席、中央军委主席“三位一体”的最高领导模式。由于宪法规定国家主席只能任职两届，江泽民和胡锦涛都在国家主席两届期满后让出总书记职务，形成最高权力定期交接的惯例。

...

分析人士指出，这次修宪取消对国家主席任期的限制，显然出乎很多人的意料。中共党章对总书记、中央军委主席的任职期限都没有明文规定，这次修宪等于去掉了“三位一体”领导模式中的“短板”，为最高领导人以“三位一体”模式执掌党政军大权扫除了任期障碍。可以预计，在2022年中共二十大举行后，习近平有望继续担任中共总书记、国家主席和中央军委主席。
...

中共中央建议修宪 习近平国家主席任期不受限 http://www.zaobao.com/special/report/politic/cnpol/story20180226-837991?xtor=CS2-6

Simple, there are many things I don't like in Singapore.
But you don't see me denigrate Singapore, Singaporeans or rebut your posts that I don't agree at all.
I even gave thanks as encouragement.

Now these scums who would use slurs to describe their own are most probably from Gangadesh or Hanjian.
That you would rebut me in a foreign forum shows you are not too loyal to your own.
That is one reason why some Chinese despise us Singaporeans.
There are many tactics to use in a debate, I don't need your advise on that.
.

 

[StuartA]

This guy is definitely not a Chinese.
Could be one of those increasing number of Gangadeshi students in China.
I doubt Chinese brothers will insult their own as 50 cents.
I mean nobody cut their nose to spite the face.

No need to post in Chinese as proof as nowadays a lot of foreigners learn Chinese and flock to China to partake in its economic prosperity.
You can post your opinion, but very ungrateful of you to use it as a pretext to add in insults to the Chinese.
Go back.

I think China should tread carefully on this proposal to extend Presidential terms.
Xi could still influence policies from behind, unless he wants to do something big like taking back Taiwan or South Tibet.
.

Are you a retard? You really think it's difficult for me to prove that I'm a mainland Chinese? How about continue to eat your sh#t?

Xi has planned this ever since he have had his power. Every day in China he is on the first line of the first page of every Chinese media since he got his power. In comparison, Hu is quite modest at his time. Obviously Xi is aiming this move from the very first day. But Xi will not stop here. This is only the first move. You watch.

The thing I hate Xi the most is not his propaganda. But the 50 cents he sent to the internet. 50 cents exist before Xi. But Xi made them thrive. Look at here, look at everywhere in every Chinese forum or even Hongkong forum. They pretend to be among the people but they are just tools of CCP.

 

[Dungeness]

I agree. The term limit extension will likely be an exception, not the rule. In extraordinary times, extraordinary measures are called for. There is no universal law telling that two-term is necessarily better than one term or three terms. In some polities, it is one-term, six-year in power. It is illogical to argue that the two-term countries should copy that.

Xi Jinping has proven to be a very capable and visionary leader. His success is definitely built upon the ones before him, but, the present time is perhaps the most significant ever since the establishment of the country as new China. Xi Jinping needs to oversee this transition while correcting systemic problems that are often the result of explosive growth.

It is not that in East Asia we lack long term serving great visionary leaders.

Now the burden is on Xi to justify this extraordinary measure, and the final unification of China will be a fine justification for me.

 

[Mista]

Simple, there are many things I don't like in Singapore.
But you don't see me denigrate Singapore, Singaporeans or rebut your posts that I don't agree at all.
I even gave thanks as encouragement.

Now these scums who would use slurs to describe their own are most probably from Gangadesh or Hanjian.
That you would rebut me in a foreign forum shows you are not too loyal to your own.
That is one reason why some Chinese despise us Singaporeans.
There are many tactics to use in a debate, I don't need your advise on that.
.

I wouldn't mind fellow Singaporeans disagreeing with me because I'm open minded enough for different views, as long as they stay on point and keep it civil. I'm not close minded enough to label my fellow countrymen as Hanjian just because they criticise the government on a foreign forum.

In fact I prefer if someone has different views from me because they provide different perspectives which I may overlook. Then just argue it out and debate, openly. That's then the Singapore way.

When the foreign media write critical articles about us, we don't censor or ban them even though we have a reputation of being authoritarian. Instead we engage them openly, publish the reply in full to the public and put the facts right. Why? Because by banning them you lose the moral high ground, being afraid of what they say.

So I say argue it out openly and keep the discussion civil.

 

[sinait]

I wouldn't mind fellow Singaporeans disagreeing with me because I'm open minded enough for different views, as long as they stay on point and keep it civil. I'm not close minded enough to label my fellow countrymen as Hanjian just because they criticise the government on a foreign forum.

In fact I prefer if someone has different views from me because they provide different perspectives which I may overlook. Then just argue it out and debate, openly. That's then the Singapore way.

When the foreign media write critical articles about us, we don't censor or ban them even though we have a reputation of being authoritarian. Instead we engage them openly, publish the reply in full to the public and put the facts right. Why? Because by banning them you lose the moral high ground, being afraid of what they say.

So I say argue it out openly and keep the discussion civil.

Disagree is OK.
We can do it in Hardwarezone or whatever.
This scum is using a slur to describe their own, and you want to defend that.

I don't ever do that to any Singaporean or Singaporean Indian.
Not even Indians with Singapore flags or have a South in their handles like SOUTHie.
I will stop here.

You have never experienced racial riots, and learn to be loyal to your kind in a foreign setting.
Its no problem if insult is from your adversaries.
It hurts deeply when insult is from our own.
Its not open minded but naive and childish minded.
You are young and I don't know how to teach you.
Likewise don't try teach your grandfather and make a laughing stock of us Singaporeans.
.

 

[gambit]

So you want China to be like the corrupt western system where special interest groups dictate policies? You got no idea how corrupt the Western governments are.

You really think there are no special interests groups in the Chinese government? A corrupt system actually encourages special interests groups. The military is one special interests group. So are the businesses and under this general heading, you will have special interests groups like the manufacturers, exporters, transportation, and so on. Micron Tech is my former employer and the semiconductor companies in China formed their own special interests groups and colluded with the mining companies for the valuable minerals the industry needs. We paid the necessary bribes to both government and business officials.

Maybe you should turn your statement around to read: 'You got no idea how corrupt the Chinese government is.'

 

[sinait]

Are you a retard? You really think it's difficult for me to prove that I'm a mainland Chinese? How about continue to eat your sh#t?

Xi has planned this ever since he have had his power. Every day in China he is on the first line of the first page of every Chinese media since he got his power. In comparison, Hu is quite modest at his time. Obviously Xi is aiming this move from the very first day. But Xi will not stop here. This is only the first move. You watch.

The thing I hate Xi the most is not his propaganda. But the 50 cents he sent to the internet. 50 cents exist before Xi. But Xi made them thrive. Look at here, look at everywhere in every Chinese forum or even Hongkong forum. They pretend to be among the people but they are just tools of CCP.

Is that your favorite food in Gangadesh.?

Well if its not difficult, why don't you try to proof yourself.
So far I don't see any valid arguments from you regarding this extension of Presidential tenure except your foul mouth as is common with your kind.
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[Mista]

Disagree is OK.
We can do it in Hardwarezone or whatever.
This scum is using a slur to describe their own, and you want to defend that.

I don't ever do that to any Singaporean or Singaporean Indian.
Not even Indians with Singapore flags or have a South in their handles like SOUTHie.
I will stop here.

You have never experienced racial riots, and learn to be loyal to your kind in a foreign setting.
Its no problem if insult is from your adversaries.
It hurts deeply when insult is from our own.
Its not open minded but naive and childish minded.
You are young and I don't know how to teach you.
Likewise don't try teach your grandfather and make a laughing stock of us Singaporeans.
.

I'm not defending calling of names in any way. Whether it's 50c, Indian or whatever.

How is 50c a slur offensive to you anyway? It's a political slur, not a racial one. Hurts deeply coming from our own? So you identify yourself with China not just racially but politically too? You get mad when people criticize Xi or the CPC?
Who's making a laughing stock of Singaporeans again then?

 

[sinait]

I'm not defending calling of names in any way. Whether it's 50c, Indian or whatever.

How is 50c a slur offensive to you anyway? It's a political slur, not a racial one. Hurts deeply coming from our own? So you identify yourself with China not just racially but politically too? You get mad when people criticize Xi or the CPC?
Who's making a laughing stock of Singaporeans again then?

Hey don't disgrace yourself with your standard of comprehension.
When did "using a slur to describe their own" become our own.?
When did you get to decide what is offensive to me.?
Don't try to be clever and think you know what goes on behind from what we type.
Only simpletons do that.

But you will be right if you think I am not too happy that we are continuing this conversation here over a topic not about Singapore and continue being a laughing stock.
.

 

[Feng Leng]

Are you a retard? You really think it's difficult for me to prove that I'm a mainland Chinese? How about continue to eat your sh#t?

Xi has planned this ever since he have had his power. Every day in China he is on the first line of the first page of every Chinese media since he got his power. In comparison, Hu is quite modest at his time. Obviously Xi is aiming this move from the very first day. But Xi will not stop here. This is only the first move. You watch.

The thing I hate Xi the most is not his propaganda. But the 50 cents he sent to the internet. 50 cents exist before Xi. But Xi made them thrive. Look at here, look at everywhere in every Chinese forum or even Hongkong forum. They pretend to be among the people but they are just tools of CCP.

If you don't like CCP and you don't like patriotic Chinese, why don't you just leave China? Considering that you are writing in English, probably you are not even a Chinese citizen anymore. Since you are not even a Chinese citizen, why don't you mind your own business? You are equally as Chinese as Donald Trump.

Real Chinese people (with actual citizenship) are not interested in the narcissistic opinions of foreigners like you. You can peddle your narcissistic opinions to your new masters wherever you are living now.

 

[Mista]

Hey don't disgrace yourself with your standard of comprehension.
When did "using a slur to describe their own" become our own.?
When did you get to decide what is offensive to me.?
Don't try to be clever and think you know what goes on behind from what we type.
Only simpletons do that.

But you will be right if you think I am not too happy that we are continuing this conversation here over a topic not about Singapore and continue being a laughing stock.
.

Here I quote from you.

It hurts deeply when insult is from our own.

Or do you mean me?

So if you claim it's a slur describing their own, why are you mad again? To the point of calling him an Indian or a scum?