CPC proposes change on Chinese president's term in Constitution

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Yeah.our corruption is worse, but we still prefer 02 term only. Why ? Bcs Dictator like Hittler, dirty Jap emperor, Qadaffi in Lybia, Kims family only lead the countries to disaster.

Corruption perception index is not a good measure of corruption in a nation.

Because its survey of people rather than indicators based on corruption case conviction.

In other words, If a govt can impose a ban on corruption news in mainstream media/internet forums it will give its people a deluded sense of belief that there is no corruption in their nation.

A better measure of corruption is global financial integrity index, which shows monetary losses due to corruption.

China takes the cake when it comes to corruption all over Asia.

They have lost $1.3 in span of 9 years in corruption money laundered to offshore destinations.

In other words, if we break down this data.
Thats $140 billion losses per year
$12 billion in a month
$400 million a day
$16.6 million in an hour

By the time you are done reading this post,corrupt Chinese CCP official would have laundered off $1.38 million illegally which could have been life savings of some several Chinese migrant workers.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

He want to elminate corruption in China, and two terms is not enough for him to finish the job, considering his opponenets, and he want to undo alot of bad things in China recent years.

If he can acomplish his goal, I dont care if he will take another term or two.

if China give him extension, other will ask the same. Corruption is in Chinese nature even if we give him hundred year, he will never not able to get rid of all corruption. Chinese corruption is not because of people but our system and our way of practicing of governing, no Chinese was born with corruption but learn to corrupt when they saw how others did, the better way to get rid of corruption is to improve our system and make all official accountable not only to their superiors but Chinese peoples.

 

[hirobo2]

The best time to attack China is during a leadership change. CCP already saw thru this scheme, so any strategist planning something big for 2023 will now have to revise their plan. Plus it gives China the chance to snub Japan publicly: Their Emperor backed down while the Chinese President wants a longer term...

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

if China give him extension, other will ask the same.

That doesn't mean they'll get it. The circumstances warrant Xi getting at least an extra term. In the future, once China's position is secured, term limits can be reimposed. In fact, this is precisely what I expect Xi to do once his tenure is over - along with combining the presidency and Party chairmanship into one office, so that the Hu/Jiang dynamic will not be replicated.

the better way to get rid of corruption is to improve our system and make all official accountable not only to their superiors but Chinese peoples.

It was the previous "consensus" system with term limits that allowed corruption to grow unchecked.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

That doesn't mean they'll get it. The circumstances warrant Xi getting at least an extra term. In the future, once China's position is secured, term limits can be reimposed. In fact, this is precisely what I expect Xi to do once his tenure is over - along with combining the presidency and Party chairmanship into one office, so that the Hu/Jiang dynamic will not be replicated.

the rule is not meant to break, other can also claim to extend their term to fight the corruption and you can be sure they will get it when the first example is been set.

 

[siegecrossbow]

so refute him with a credible source? proof that xi is as corrupt as the corruption he is out to eliminate?

More ever, the very same article you've linked already stated:

"No assets were traced to Mr Xi himself, his wife Peng Liyuan, or their daughter. There is also no indication that Mr Xi helped to advance his relatives' business, or of any wrongdoing by Mr Xi or his family, Bloomberg said."

Cant u even mine articles properly to support your grandmother stories?

I think one of his brothers in law did use influence to get ahead in business. After Xi actually became president, however, a lot of his relatives started abandoning real estate properties since it might reflect negatively on him.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Xi household is wealthy as well since Peng Liyuan was a very famous singer in China and probably had a lot of record deals. She used to score popular Chinese TV shows like Water Margin and Ghost Storeis from a Chinese Studio (80s version) and often appeared on Chinese New Year galas.

 

[patman]

If it does happen then China will soon become a dictatorship , that's good the glass country will shatter in civil wars.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

the rule is not meant to break, other can also claim to extend their term to fight the corruption and you can be sure they will get it when the first example is been set.

You think it's that easy? Let's suppose that after Xi, some contender for the presidency decides he'll mount his own "anti-corruption" campaign, when corruption has already been significantly eradicated. Do you think the Party would accept this? Would the Chinese public accept it?

Make no mistake, public opinion matters greatly to the Chinese government - the anti-corruption and anti-pollution campaigns are purely the result of public pressure. China doesn't have the regularly-abused "safety valve" of multi-party elections, so it has to actively ensure good governance so that popular resentment doesn't build up.

Xi Jinping is an exceptional case during a period of extraordinary crisis, like FDR or Churchill. He is not a new normal.

 

[siegecrossbow]

You think it's that easy? Let's suppose that after Xi, some contender for the presidency decides he'll mount his own "anti-corruption" campaign, when corruption has already been significantly eradicated. Do you think the Party would accept this? Would the Chinese public accept it?

Make no mistake, public opinion matters greatly to the Chinese government - the anti-corruption and anti-pollution campaigns are purely the result of public pressure. China doesn't have the regularly-abused "safety valve" of multi-party elections, so it has to actively ensure good governance so that popular resentment doesn't build up.

Xi Jinping is an exceptional case during a period of extraordinary crisis, like FDR or Churchill. He is not a new normal.

Is there currently a crisis comparable to WWII? I think the justification is pretty tenuous.

 

[Feng Leng]

LOL at all the Indians and Amerikkkans terrified of Xi Jinping. I thought Modi was supposed to be the tough guy assertively advancing geopolitical interests? Or was it Trump?

 

[nang2]

Nope. "Communists" believe in competence and delivering results. The idea that a system in a state of constant civil war can deliver mediocrity - let alone excellence - is laughable. Witness the results of this deluded belief in that "shining city on a hill."

it is competence without competition. it is forced to deliver results after it monopolizes. in another word, it delivers result when it prohibits others to deliver results. therefore, when it delivers results, count your blessings. when it doesn't, suck it up.

You don't know what you are talking about... How can corruption be stopped by one person? Corruption is inevitable in the system of CCP. We can see through this event that the law in China is just a joke, they are only for the people not for the high rank of CCP officers. Xi has showed his true face, a dictator's face. We'll see what comes next in a few years.

corruption is inevitable in any system that allows government play significant role in economy. that includes US system, too.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You think it's that easy? Let's suppose that after Xi, some contender for the presidency decides he'll mount his own "anti-corruption" campaign, when corruption has already been significantly eradicated. Do you think the Party would accept this? Would the Chinese public accept it?

Make no mistake, public opinion matters greatly to the Chinese government - the anti-corruption and anti-pollution campaigns are purely the result of public pressure. China doesn't have the regularly-abused "safety valve" of multi-party elections, so it has to actively ensure good governance so that popular resentment doesn't build up.

Xi Jinping is an exceptional case during a period of extraordinary crisis, like FDR or Churchill. He is not a new normal.

No matter how Xi will save China from corruption, he will set a bad example for future all Leaders, other might not use necessary to corruption as excuse to extend their power, not thing more easier than to find an excuse to justify their legitimacy claim. Governing a nation, you need to have a solid foundation of unshaken rules and laws to stabilize a country, if everyone can overwrite the law than you will expect a total chaos.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Is there currently a crisis comparable to WWII? I think the justification is pretty tenuous.

Trying to compress centuries of development in a few decades is far more fraught with peril for China than WWII was for America. Getting China's modernization wrong is an existential threat, while WWII was never an existential threat to America.

No matter how Xi will save China from corruption, he will set a bad example for future all Leaders, other might not use necessary to corruption as excuse to extend their power, not thing more easier than to find an excuse to justify their legitimacy claim. Governing a nation, you need to have a solid foundation of unshaken rules and laws to stabilized a countries, if everyone can overwrite the law than you will expect a total chaos.

Wow. I have to say, I find people's reaction shocking.

when it doesn't, suck it up.

Since America's system doesn't have this problem - it never delivers no matter how competitive the elections - I guess Americans have "sucked it up" until "it" collapsed into a black hole.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Wow. I have to say, I find people's reaction shocking.

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Anyway I said what I want to say shocking or not, as Chinese we should learn to respect other Chinese brother and sister's opinion because no one is holding the true, we might have some disagreement but I respect your stand and you're entitle for your opinions.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Anyway I said what I want to say shocking or not, as Chinese we should learn to respect other Chinese brother and sister's opinion because no one is holding the true, we might have some disagreement but I respect your stand and you're entitle for your opinions.

Fair enough, brother. I want to add that I don't want Xi to rule until he dies (like Mao or even Deng), but I do think he needs a third term to ensure that necessary reforms are enacted, the BRI has good momentum, the military is cleaned of corruption and strengthened, etc.

I will admit, this news makes me somewhat nervous as well. Having this much power concentrated into the hands of one man carries the potential for harm, even if that man is a saint. But I believe Xi is well-intentioned, and if this amendment is so opposed by the Chinese people then it wouldn't pass, since the instability it would cause would defeat its purpose.

But I sincerely believe that China needs single-minded, undivided leadership for at least the next decade.