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The number, and genetic sequencing, of the first cases identified by China suggest coronavirus was spreading before early December 2019
Lab Theory ‘Extremely Unlikely’: What WHO Team Learned in Wuhan
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Lab Theory ‘Extremely Unlikely’: What WHO Team Learned in Wuhan

Lab Theory ‘Extremely Unlikely’: What WHO Team Learned in Wuhan
The World Health Organization’s mission to Wuhan found the coronavirus most likely spread naturally to humans through an animal.
By
Betsy McKay
in New York,
Drew Hinshaw
in Warsaw and
Jeremy Page
in Beijing
Feb. 19, 2021 5:30 am ET
New evidence from China is affirming what epidemiologists have long suspected: The coronavirus likely began spreading unnoticed around the Wuhan area in November 2019, before it exploded in multiple different locations throughout the city in December.
Chinese authorities have identified 174 confirmed Covid-19 cases around the city from December 2019, said World Health Organization researchers, enough to suggest there were many more mild, asymptomatic or otherwise undetected cases than previously thought.
Many of the 174 cases had no known connection to the market that was initially considered the source of the outbreak, according to information gathered by WHO investigators during the four-week mission to China to examine the origins of the virus. Chinese authorities declined to give the WHO team raw data on these cases and potential earlier ones, team members said.
In examining 13 genetic sequences of the virus from December, Chinese authorities found similar sequences among those linked to the market, but slight differences in those of people without any link to it, according to the WHO investigators. The two sets likely began to diverge between mid-November and early December, but could possibly indicate infections as far back as September, said Marion Koopmans, a Dutch virologist on the WHO team.
This, and other evidence, suggest the coronavirus might have jumped to humans sometime during or shortly before the second half of November, she said, sickening too few people to attract attention until it led to an explosive outbreak in Wuhan. By December, the virus was spreading much more widely, both among people who had a link to the market, as well as others with no tie.

 
The number, and genetic sequencing, of the first cases identified by China suggest coronavirus was spreading before early December 2019
Lab Theory ‘Extremely Unlikely’: What WHO Team Learned in Wuhan
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Lab Theory ‘Extremely Unlikely’: What WHO Team Learned in Wuhan

Lab Theory ‘Extremely Unlikely’: What WHO Team Learned in Wuhan
The World Health Organization’s mission to Wuhan found the coronavirus most likely spread naturally to humans through an animal.

New evidence from China is affirming what epidemiologists have long suspected: The coronavirus likely began spreading unnoticed around the Wuhan area in November 2019, before it exploded in multiple different locations throughout the city in December.
Chinese authorities have identified 174 confirmed Covid-19 cases around the city from December 2019, said World Health Organization researchers, enough to suggest there were many more mild, asymptomatic or otherwise undetected cases than previously thought.
Many of the 174 cases had no known connection to the market that was initially considered the source of the outbreak, according to information gathered by WHO investigators during the four-week mission to China to examine the origins of the virus. Chinese authorities declined to give the WHO team raw data on these cases and potential earlier ones, team members said.
In examining 13 genetic sequences of the virus from December, Chinese authorities found similar sequences among those linked to the market, but slight differences in those of people without any link to it, according to the WHO investigators. The two sets likely began to diverge between mid-November and early December, but could possibly indicate infections as far back as September, said Marion Koopmans, a Dutch virologist on the WHO team.
This, and other evidence, suggest the coronavirus might have jumped to humans sometime during or shortly before the second half of November, she said, sickening too few people to attract attention until it led to an explosive outbreak in Wuhan. By December, the virus was spreading much more widely, both among people who had a link to the market, as well as others with no tie.


The problem with this theory is, if COVID-19 is around Wuhan for a long time whilst remain unnoticed, given the R0 of COVID-19 (under uncontrolled environment, is estimated to be as high as 6), thats means in winter, it would have been many cities in China where COVID-19 outbreak take place, not just Wuhan along, since Wuhan is one of the key traffic hub in China, the virus should be all over China and in massive number by then, like the case you saw in US, so if that theory is correct, China should have multiple epicenter to begin with, not just Wuhan.

In such case, besides the US Fort Detrick lab theory, I suspect the imported case theory is most likely and far more convincing: We all know COVID-19 is not very deadly in hot/humid weather, it could be around in backwards countries like india or indonesia for a very long time without being noticed (both countries has a habit of eating bat btw), due to their incompetence and low tech level, and the fact this virus is not very deadly in hot/humid weather.

Even by now, with all the imported tools, India still lost track of their COVID-19 carriers, since some estimate india could have as high as 60% of entire population carries the antibody of COVID-19, the virus could very likely be around there for a very long time while remain unnoticed (which explains India's extremely high COVID-19 positive number).

Then the virus come to Wuhan wet market through some imported food that contain this virus, and due to the virus become much more deadly and actived in cold weather, it make Wuhan become the center of first outbreak.
 
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The most probable origin is here

'Respiratory outbreak' being investigated at retirement community after 54 residents fall ill
Two have died and 18 were hospitalized in Virginia, officials said.
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Deadly virus outbreak at Virginia retirement homeAccording to the Fairfax County Health Department, 11 days ago 54 people became ill with symptoms ranging from cough to pneumonia, now the "respiratory illness' left 2 dead and many hospitalized.WTTG

Two people have died and 18 others have been hospitalized after a "respiratory outbreak" at a Virginia retirement community, according to officials.

The Fairfax County Department of Health said that 54 individuals had become ill with "respiratory symptoms ranging from upper respiratory symptoms (cough) to pneumonia" in the last 11 days at Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield.

In a letter Wednesday to residents obtained by ABC News affiliate WJLA-TV in Washington D.C., Greenspring described symptoms as "fever, cough, body aches, wheezing, hoarseness and general weakness."

Benjamin Schwartz, a health department director, told ABC News on Thursday that the outbreak had been reported in the assisted-living and skilled-nursing sections. He said the outbreak began with the first case on June 30.

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The specific cause of the outbreak had not yet been identified but additional tests of samples were being done, according to Schwartz.

The assisted-living and skilled-nursing facility in Greenspring is home to 263 residents, Schwartz said. He said the two patients who died in the outbreak had been hospitalized with pneumonia but were "older individuals with complex medical problems."

"One of the things about skilled nursing facilities and assisted living facilities is [that] when you have a lot of people in close proximity, who have underlying medical conditions, there is an increased risk for outbreaks," he said. "Seeing a respiratory outbreak in a long-term care facility is not odd. ... One thing that's different about this outbreak is just that it's occurring in the summer when, usually, we don't have a lot of respiratory disease."

Of those initially hospitalized, seven have returned to the retirement home, said Courtney Benoff, regional communications manager for Erikson Living, which owns the retirement home.

The health department said that although there had been no new hospitalizations in the "past couple of days," residents were still getting sick in the outbreak.

In a statement, Greenspring said that its "highest priority is the welfare of those who live and work on campus."

"In keeping with this commitment the community has acted with an abundance of caution, and in partnership with the Fairfax County Department of Health, has taken all necessary measures to fully implement proven infection prevention and control strategies. We remain vigilant in our response and will continue to provide frequent and transparent updates to residents, staff and family members," the retirement home said in a statement.

The Fairfax County Health Department said it is investigating the incident.

The department said that appropriate measures had been taken to reduce the risk of infection and keep residents safe, including closing the facility to new admissions, cancelling group activities, keeping ill residents in their rooms and increasing cleaning.

Residents experiencing any of those symptoms were urged to call the community's medical center.
ABC News' Amanda Maile, Sarah Herndon and Kyra Phillips contributed to the reporting in this story.

 
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This, and other evidence, suggest the coronavirus might have jumped to humans sometime during or shortly before the second half of November,
I very much agree that American soldiers will go to China to participate in the military games in September
 
WHO Wuhan team lead Peter Ben Embarek


He says the 174 December cases were SEVERE cases. It obvious doesn't count mild cases.

Direct from your link:
A GERMAN SCIENTIST has said he is ‘99.9 per cent certain’ that coronavirus leaked from a Wuhan analysis lab. Dr Roland Wiesendanger, a physicist from the College of Hamburg :rofl:

A third-rated physicist who wrote an article to a nobody known news web is all you need to debunk the WHO experts' opinion.

You can just cite yourself as a source, it carries the same weight as the piece of crap you desperately found
 
Wow now we have evidence for what everyone expected and always assumed happend over half of the world since at least one country isnt covering it all up and coorperating with the WHO unlike say America. The virus didnt knock on the door and spread without notice from local authorities for at least days before it was noticed, as everyone had safely assumed.

Guess we can drop the investigation into the origin of the virus at Americas Maryland bioweapon lab, 12 month coverups of virus cases in the USA from before the first confirmed USA cases or cases anywhere else and the mysterious US flus now! 🙄
 
Direct from your link:
A GERMAN SCIENTIST has said he is ‘99.9 per cent certain’ that coronavirus leaked from a Wuhan analysis lab. Dr Roland Wiesendanger, a physicist from the College of Hamburg :rofl:

A third-rated physicist who wrote an article to a nobody known news web is all you need to debunk the WHO experts' opinion.

You can just cite yourself as a source, it carries the same weight as the piece of crap you desperately found
That pseudo scientist didnt even write a real paper. He just read American state propaganda newsarticles hiding behind 100 different labels on the internet and essentially his claim is since the American propaganda echochamber he consumes is only focusing to divert attention away from itself towards China and actively and passively censoring all other information it actually must be China, in the dumbest conclusion not even a failing grade undergrad would dare to make.

Since he was already called out by the science community on this bullshit he admitted the paper was never made for "scientific" purposes but for "the public". This story is literally made for low IQ retards who dont know what they are talking about or even reading just like the garbage produced by US state controlled propaganda mouthpieces it is based on.
 
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