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Could Vietnam be in Play?
Written by Khanh Vu Duc
Friday, 14 December 2012


If the population got restive, the suitors for primacy would be the US and China

Although 2012 is winding down, it seems the maritime and territorial disputes in the South China Sea are still running hot. China’s passport map dispute, coupled with its intentions to begin policing its “territory” from Hainan, has heightened tensions in the region -- and all of this on top of current territorial disputes with neighbors such as Japan.

For all the noise, all the bluster and cable cutting, Southeast Asia remains in a state of relative peace. In a year that saw the continuation of the Arab Spring in Egypt and Syria devolve further into violence, as popular protests against corrupt regimes, new and old, continue, governments from countries like Vietnam will enter another year, confident in their longevity.

Yet, for the Vietnamese government, they should be wary of the horizon, for all of this might simply be the calm before the storm. The South China Sea disputes, an economic crisis and clear government mismanagement suggest rough waters ahead for Vietnam’s leaders. Should the government fail to address the concerns and needs of its citizens, it may find itself besieged by demands for change unlike any other period in history.

Grievances against the state
Once a booming economy, Vietnam has suffered from both the global financial crisis and economic mismanagement. Crony capitalism and corruption, wasteful spending, and the inherent failures of Vietnam’s political system have all contributed to the country’s downturn.

Lack of transparency and accountability make holding the government responsible for its actions difficult. Moreover, a deteriorating human rights record and lack of respect for the rule of law, and the government’s continued defiance in the face of these criticisms on top of this, all contribute to reasons why change is in order.

Although some illusion of freedom is offered by the government in allowing the people to say what they wish, within reason, larger efforts to organize are promptly neutralized, so as to prevent a snowballing effect. Organized protests are shut down, even if they target China instead of the government.

One would think that the Vietnamese government would, at the very least, allow some of these protests to occur, if only to maintain the illusion of a “free” and “open” country. Although the government and Communist Party must balance between maintaining its relationship with China and appeasing nationalist sentiments, it has done neither.

Vietnam remains as one of the most vocal opponents to China in the South China Sea disputes alongside the Philippines, while at the same time it has taken every opportunity to snuff out popular protests against China’s activities in the region. Understandably, the schizophrenic nature of the Vietnamese government’s actions has the people wondering just what their leaders have planned. Moreover, in whose interests are they acting?

Of course, the Vietnamese people are not ignorant of their government’s failures. Unfortunately, the crony capitalism, corruption, and economic mismanagement that have occurred are taken as normal; and efforts to speak out against the government are quashed with severe consequences for those who step out of line.

The Communist Party has thus far survived by being careful and staying below the radar. It is neither as militant as North Korea’s nor is it as oppressive as Burma’s government was until recently. By keeping a finger on the pulse of the nation and the international community, the Communist Party has managed to play a game of give and take, reforming where necessary, so as to remain in control. For the most part, this strategy seems to have succeeded.

Yet, the government cannot take the people’s obedience for granted. In an age of Facebook, Twitter, and tech-savvy citizens, change is often simply one post away.

A “Vietnamese Spring”
If a similar revolution were to occur in Vietnam, it is unlikely to incur widespread revolt.. Despite the global financial crisis, Asia has emerged from the worldwide recession in fairly proper form. In addition, by 2030, the region is expected to surpass the West in gross domestic production and technology investment. All is well and all is expected to be well; therefore, any revolt would likely be specific to the nation at hand (in this case Vietnam) rather than as a result of wider regional trends.

Should a revolution occur, it is hard not to imagine what the United States and China would do in response. would the US help transition the country to a more pro-West government? Would China hope to install a more pro-China government or help maintain the current regime?

Presently, despite repeated attempts to encourage the Vietnamese government to improve its human rights record, Hanoi continues to look the other way. Despite the appearance of warming relationships, both countries continue to regard the other with distrust. A regime change could benefit the US, but would it risk involving itself with China so near? China is no longer an impoverished, peasant nation as it was during the Vietnam War. More importantly, would the US even want to involve itself in Vietnam again?

As demonstrated with Syria, the US has so far refused to get drawn into the Syrian civil war, in large part because it is unsure who the rebels are. Yet, in the event that Vietnam undergoes a revolution of its own, it is unlikely that Washington would need to worry about Vietnam becoming a safe haven for terrorist cells.

Moreover, should the Communist Party become so toxic, so unacceptable to the people that wholesale change is desired, the US is unlikely to pass up the opportunity to groom a new ally. With a friendly Vietnam, the US would gain a crucial partner in its pivot to the Western Pacific.

Rather, a concern for the US would be that China, sensing an opportunity for change as well, would attempt to install a government sympathetic to Beijing’s strategy in the region. Such a scenario is not out of the question, and it is not a stretch to believe that certain members of the Communist Party of Vietnam hold some tacit agreement with their Chinese counterparts. Still, in the event of a regime change, the popular sentiment in Vietnam has been opposition to China and Chinese interference. Therefore, it may be that China would do something to help keep the current government afloat or do nothing at all.

Even if Beijing has no grand desire to shape the political landscape of Vietnam, it is unlikely to take kindly to American activities along its borders. If the US should take part in any political revolt in Vietnam, it must take great care in understanding the dynamics between it and Vietnam, and Vietnam and China.

The Vietnamese people are wary of any outside influence, especially China, but they are no less suspicious of the US. That being said, if they could be assured support in resisting China’s increasing assertiveness, they might prove receptive to American assistance. Conversely, the US must not micromanage Vietnam’s internal affairs, for doing so would jeopardize any hope of a productive and long-term relationship between the two countries.

All of this, of course, is hypothetical. A popular uprising in Vietnam is far away in the future, if at all. However, if the present government refuses to change and address the needs of its people, it could find itself on the receiving end of a “Vietnamese Spring.”

(Khanh Vu Duc is a Canadian lawyer who researches on Vietnamese politics, international relations and international law. He is a frequent contributor to Asia Sentinel)
 
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If the relationship between China and U.S like the COLD WAR U.S and S.U, yes maybe Vietnam can. "THE ENEMY'S ENEMY IS MY FRIEND". But history not like the past crazy years, they'r just competitors not enemy (sometimes they dislike each other, but not hate to death. China and U.S r business partners, businessmen chasing money) so today Vietnam can't. But If...if if Vietnam can overtake China's economy(World N.o 2), well i guess Vietnamese still have the chance to play other suitors.

Businessman earning money, nations pursue greater interests like money, oils, resources, investment. If u have nothing, sorry be as a pawn in others' hand.
 
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economy is everything,if your economy crash and people are out of means to support themselves.you can cease to talk about fighting a war against your enemies,cause your own people will finish you off before your enemy arrives.
 
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Could Vietnam be in Play?
Written by Khanh Vu Duc
Friday, 14 December 2012


If the population got restive, the suitors for primacy would be the US and China

He can have new article about Peking Spring or new Tianan Men.
 
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I think the best policy for Vietnam is to keep China busy with other powers such as India, USA and Japan.

the best thing your country can do is to develop your economy and bring people wealth,otherwise you'll be doomed.
 
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I think the best policy for Vietnam is to keep China busy with other powers such as India, USA and Japan.
Good idea, but ignore above countries all have huge trade with China each year. Do they really help Vietnam when risk of losing big interest and huge market? I don't think so.

80s~90s in South America, U.S.A invaded Panama and Grenada to defend U. S interests. This also would happen in everywhere when powerful country need to defend her interests. 2012 China Military expenditure over 100billion dollars(seized 2% China GDP),nearly as same as whole 2012 Vietnam national GDP(113billion dollars).

So confrontation isn't suitable for Vietnam, can't afford the game. As above i said, today who have a big & good economy, who will win next war; ruin enemy's economy, army automatically crush.
 
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''For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.'' -Sun Tzu

The economic and political arena are the primary points of interests for now. But anyway, playing enemies out against each other while making new friends and trying to cripple the other's economy while thriving your own is still more effective and easier than sending young men into combat to settle disputes.

Not that the first 2 types of 'warfare' are as nice as they seem to be, sometimes I think these are even more gruesome and disgusting than the actual battlefield...
 
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Colonel Tran Dang Thanh shared his views on foreign affairs
Asia Times Online :: State secrets revealed in Vietnam


On the United States: "To tell the truth, the US is implementing a two-faced policy. One face uses Vietnam as an advanced force to block China. The other face employs every means to destroy the long-standing solidarity between the people of Vietnam and the people of China. ... The Americans really want to set up a naval base at Cam Ranh Bay, one of the three best harbors in the world. ... The Americans are pushing a strategy of 'peaceful change' [of the Vietnamese regime] and they seek to implement it through 'educational cooperation' with us."

On China:Segueing into a discussion of South China Sea issues, Thanh pounded away at the notion that war with China is unthinkable, without ever quite saying so. There are 1.3 billion of them, and only 90 million of us, he noted. Thus, for Vietnam, China must be a special case. "We must never forget that they've invaded us over and over, yet we also must always remember that China made great sacrifices to supply us in our wars against France and the US. We must not seem ungrateful for that."

Thanh heaped scorn on the notion that Vietnam could rely on American support. "They never have and never will treat us well. If they're nice here, if they praise us there, support us in the South China Sea, it's because they're trying to use a small fish to catch a big one."
 
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Good idea, but ignore above countries all have huge trade with China each year. Do they really help Vietnam when risk of losing big interest and huge market? I don't think so.

80s~90s in South America, U.S.A invaded Panama and Grenada to defend U. S interests. This also would happen in everywhere when powerful country need to defend her interests. 2012 China Military expenditure over 100billion dollars(seized 2% China GDP),nearly as same as whole 2012 Vietnam national GDP(113billion dollars).


So confrontation isn't suitable for Vietnam, can't afford the game. As above i said, today who have a big & good economy, who will win next war; ruin enemy's economy, army automatically crush.

China play this game first to against Vietnam for rob our Islands, that's all.
 
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Colonel Tran Dang Thanh shared his views on foreign affairs
Asia Times Online :: State secrets revealed in Vietnam


On the United States: "To tell the truth, the US is implementing a two-faced policy. One face uses Vietnam as an advanced force to block China. The other face employs every means to destroy the long-standing solidarity between the people of Vietnam and the people of China. ... The Americans really want to set up a naval base at Cam Ranh Bay, one of the three best harbors in the world. ... The Americans are pushing a strategy of 'peaceful change' [of the Vietnamese regime] and they seek to implement it through 'educational cooperation' with us."

On China:Segueing into a discussion of South China Sea issues, Thanh pounded away at the notion that war with China is unthinkable, without ever quite saying so. There are 1.3 billion of them, and only 90 million of us, he noted. Thus, for Vietnam, China must be a special case. "We must never forget that they've invaded us over and over, yet we also must always remember that China made great sacrifices to supply us in our wars against France and the US. We must not seem ungrateful for that."

Thanh heaped scorn on the notion that Vietnam could rely on American support. "They never have and never will treat us well. If they're nice here, if they praise us there, support us in the South China Sea, it's because they're trying to use a small fish to catch a big one."

the clip is available in internet. People is very angry about his comments. Kido.
 
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the clip is available in internet. People is very angry about his comments. Kido.

What matters is that he is a realist and speak the truth. War is what outside forces wants to see. In the end both will be losers especially Vietnam. Vietnamese would be wise to listen to him. As for the islands, what's important is is the resources underneath. These can be solved by sharing.
 
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Good idea, but ignore above countries all have huge trade with China each year. Do they really help Vietnam when risk of losing big interest and huge market? I don't think so.

80s~90s in South America, U.S.A invaded Panama and Grenada to defend U. S interests. This also would happen in everywhere when powerful country need to defend her interests. 2012 China Military expenditure over 100billion dollars(seized 2% China GDP),nearly as same as whole 2012 Vietnam national GDP(113billion dollars).

So confrontation isn't suitable for Vietnam, can't afford the game. As above i said, today who have a big & good economy, who will win next war; ruin enemy's economy, army automatically crush.

Stop invading your neighbors and all this anger against China wouldn't have happened. Especially Vietnam. Why did you invade Vietnam in the first place which was an ally?
 
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Stop invading your neighbors and all this anger against China wouldn't have happened. Especially Vietnam. Why did you invade Vietnam in the first place which was an ally?
LOL, good question. As similar as the reason why U.S supported South Vietnam (also ROV) and spent Army directly join Vietnam War.
Both of us for the overseas national interests(including foreign policy). Do u get it?
 
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