Cost effective solution to rural unemployment

[I.R.A]

So the PTI gormint has negotiated a deal with feudal lords, wadairas and army to donate their agriculture land for to be sani Riyasat e Medina and its poor people?

If you have forgotten Benazir had tried coining the term " "Once a Hari is always a Hari".

 

[nahtanbob]

I think it will depend how the layout would be and how it is managed..

i think the supporters of the idea are ignoring the human dynamics needed to make this scheme successful

I assume you are going to nationalize the land for the scheme

 

[Dubious]

i think the supporters of the idea are ignoring the human dynamics needed to make this scheme successful

I assume you are going to nationalize the land for the scheme

We aren't doing anything ...just a suggestion...its ok to run ideas

Nationalise the land? We are talking are bout our state agricultural land ...

 

[nahtanbob]

We aren't doing anything ...just a suggestion...its ok to run ideas

Nationalise the land? We are talking are bout our state agricultural land ...

what % of the agricultural land is owned by the state ?

 

[Dubious]

what % of the agricultural land is owned by the state ?

I am not sure ...prob 20% that is used for agriculture not sure if this is inclusive of private owned or exclusively state owned...

 

[nahtanbob]

I am not sure ...prob 20% that is used for agriculture not sure if this is inclusive of private owned or exclusively state owned...

that is a lot of farm land to be tied up under the state

 

[Dubious]

that is a lot of farm land to be tied up under the state

Like I said it is 20% that contributes to gdp but not sure if it is all under state or are we counting the privately owned also

 

[maithil]

So the PTI gormint has negotiated a deal with feudal lords, wadairas and army to donate their agriculture land for to be sani Riyasat e Medina and its poor people?

If you have forgotten Benazir had tried coining the term " "Once a Hari is always a Hari".

More likely, whole Pakistan will turn into Okara.

 

[I.R.A]

More likely, whole Pakistan will turn into Okara.

Main city ya bypass say thora agay ja kay jo ata hy wo Okara?

 

[Mr ambassador]

So ban rice cultivation would mean increase the import...how is that feasible for the economy?

Conventional vegetable farming takes alot of water esp since many don't know what they are doing and grow them like rice. But drip system has shown that vegetables under the drip system can still grow wih effective use of water...
To teach the farmers was the job of the uni extension dept which since its setup has been oblivious to its duties.

Nothing wrong with the state growing it's own food...at least the people will know the meaning of hard work which many have forgotten...also it will be good exercise to keep he heart diseases at low...

Respected Moderator there are many reasons mine of disliking rice cultivation.
I know rice is a big part of our GDP and is also source my income. It is most water consuming crop and cant be cultivated through drip system .Pakistan is facing water crises and increasing rapidly specially in Sindh due to ending portion of Indus river. Yes our Punjab province can cultivate rice at full scale but for Sindh province , rice cultivation policy must be minimize to 50%. Water flow from Guddu barrage has started decreasing slowly . After 50 years ,the condition may be worse. It is the right time for our government to formulate new agricultural policies according to water flows of canals and watercourses.
Bound farmers of tail sections to cultivate fruits and vegetables through drip irrigation , which are more profitable than rice.

Britishers have set marvelous agriculture policies but we have undermined it totally . There are various reasons of it but FEUDALISM is a big reason

That’s why I have suggested to ban on rice cultivation to some extent .


In my reckon, a single cusec of water wont flow from Guddu barrage in 2099. God forbids if that situation comes in future, Pakistan ,with 4 times of bigger population at that time, should have some other source of economic activity . Therefore I suggested that Pakistan should more towards an industrial economy as soon as possible . Because agrarian economy is directly proportional to global warming.

 

[313ghazi]

i think the supporters of the idea are ignoring the human dynamics needed to make this scheme successful

I assume you are going to nationalize the land for the scheme

My idea was this. We all go to the office/factory/whatever to work. We get paid a salary at the end of the week/month. Why not do the same with farms?

The state owns a lot of land - there is no reason why some of it can't be cultivated. You hire staff to work on the farms, you hire people with an understanding of agriculture and other people with an understanding of business and management to manage these farms.

The state owns the land and the produce. The farming staff get a salary and a percentage of profits each year shared our amongst them. The better the crop, the bigger the bonus. The management/agriculturalist staff get an appropriate salary and also a performance related bonus. They get offered much higher bonuses to incentivise them to maximise the yield. The end produce is owned by the state and sold to government utlity stores. All staff are owned by a private company. The state pays the partner company an annual fee for providing staff. There are KPI's agreed with the company, hitting them or improving on them results in a percentage of profits as a bonus, missing them results in being paid less, or risking termination of the contract.

 

[313ghazi]

It's short term solution .
We should move towards industrial economy.

Water crises is growing and hitting crops nowadays. Even irrigated lands are slowly becoming barren . Why our economic growth should be directly proportional to global warming and regional politics.?

There is need of agriculture reforms. Atleast ban on the cultivation of rice from Gaddu to kotri barrage.

Fruit gardening is better than rice .
From Gaddu to barrage ,there should be fruit gardening

I agree, it's not a permanent solution to unemployment in rural areas, but I think if properly managed it can tick a few important boxes.

1. Global warming will affect everywhere, if we stop growing our own food, we'll need to start importing. For as long as is possible, we need to ensure we grow at least enough food for our own needs.

2. If through this method we can slowly bring modern and efficient farming techniques, we can improve yields, reduce amount of water/labour used and make farming more sustainable and profitable.

3. It could lead to less sustinance farmers and more corperate farms. Again this would result in increased profits margins and bigger yields.

4. By having a sustainable industry based in our rural areas, it will ensure we can have a rural community which has enough income to support healthy economic activity. The move to have farms run by people with qualifications in agriculture and managed by professionals would mean there are well paying jobs in rural communities.

 

[Dubious]

It is most water consuming crop and cant be cultivated through drip system .

There are other varieties as well or we can genetically enhance the drought tolerance gene to help the water management issues...I know many countries are researching on this and I think there is 1 variety that has been proven effective.

Pakistan is facing water crises and increasing rapidly specially in Sindh due to ending portion of Indus river. Yes our Punjab province can cultivate rice at full scale but for Sindh province , rice cultivation policy must be minimize to 50%. Water flow from Guddu barrage has started decreasing slowly . After 50 years ,the condition may be worse. It is the right time for our government to formulate new agricultural policies according to water flows of canals and watercourses.

Maybe different policies for different places...We dont just need 1 policy ...what works where is best for that area/ province!

In my reckon, a single cusec of water wont flow from Guddu barrage in 2099. God forbids if that situation comes in future, Pakistan ,with 4 times of bigger population at that time, should have some other source of economic activity . Therefore I suggested that Pakistan should more towards an industrial economy as soon as possible . Because agrarian economy is directly proportional to global warming.

It is kind of proportional but then again we need to generate our own food, coz the West is cultivating theirs in Africa! With labs set up in Africa for research on various crops withstanding drought and heat!

We cant always import our food, we need to grow if possible most of it!

 

[nahtanbob]

My idea was this. We all go to the office/factory/whatever to work. We get paid a salary at the end of the week/month. Why not do the same with farms?

The state owns a lot of land - there is no reason why some of it can't be cultivated. You hire staff to work on the farms, you hire people with an understanding of agriculture and other people with an understanding of business and management to manage these farms.

The state owns the land and the produce. The farming staff get a salary and a percentage of profits each year shared our amongst them. The better the crop, the bigger the bonus. The management/agriculturalist staff get an appropriate salary and also a performance related bonus. They get offered much higher bonuses to incentivise them to maximise the yield. The end produce is owned by the state and sold to government utlity stores. All staff are owned by a private company. The state pays the partner company an annual fee for providing staff. There are KPI's agreed with the company, hitting them or improving on them results in a percentage of profits as a bonus, missing them results in being paid less, or risking termination of the contract.

I understand everything you say. It looks good on paper. If the non-agricultural enterprises of the state (PIA etc.) could not make a profit why would the agricultural enterprises be any different ?

think of the all ways things this thing can go wrong. see if you can come up with a solution for them

 

[313ghazi]

I understand everything you say. It looks good on paper. If the non-agricultural enterprises of the state (PIA etc.) could not make a profit why would the agricultural enterprises be any different ?

think of the all ways things this thing can go wrong. see if you can come up with a solution for them

I think the major problem with the rest of them is that they're government run. This proposal would be government owned, but run by private companies on contracts.

On paper they'd be incentivised, success would earn reward, failure would earn punishment.

How could that go wrong?

Government might not award contracts on merit. Measurement of kpi's may not be fair, private companies are by nature in it for the money.

Airtight contracts would be required to get them to commit to staff training and investing in the development side of things. Government generally does not do air tight contracts.

What else? How do you think it could go wrong? Need to do some risk management.