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Other countries can learn lessons from these twentysomething veterans

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National Lottery operator hit by cyber attack
Israel is now a mini-Silicon Valley close to Europe © Eyal Warshavsky
by: Frederick Studemann

The photo in the reception area tells it all. In the background is a new office block, its outside studded with the logos of its tenants. Running up to it is a dirt track littered with construction debris, and walking across the foreground is a group of camels being herded out of shot by their keeper.

Three years on, the cyber park in the city of Beer Sheva in the Negev desert is a growing cluster of buildings, neatly tarmacked roads and waterways. The roll-call of corporates — from Deutsche Telekom and EMC to Lockheed and PayPal — has grown. And the camels live on, in the anecdotes of the venture capitalists, computer engineers and academics now gathered in the centre of Israel’s world-class cyber security industry. They serve as a vivid example of just how far and how fast things have come in a city that has been through many iterations over the millennia, including that of water station, whose wells were said to have been dug by Abraham and Isaac.

It is a world away from the barracks of some chilly military installation in central Europe where, but for a twist of fate, I might have ended up. And yet I found myself thinking of such a place as we sat through presentations of cutting-edge research aimed at anticipating, and then thwarting, the actions of cyber aggressors. The reason lay in one of the key ingredients of the success of Beer Sheva: the Israel Defense Forces, who, together with the local university and outside investors, form a formidable combination that draws money and talent to what some dub a mini-Silicon Valley close to Europe.

The role of the military in the development of the internet is well known. In Beer Sheva, it is less the hardware that is striking than the young, human capital of highly trained former conscripts. Many of those working in the tech companies and start-ups are veterans of the IDF. “They are in their early 20s, well trained and at that stage in life where they don’t have responsibilities and are up for taking a risk,” explains one venture capitalist and investor.

The city of Beer Sheva
Listening to him, I thought back to the day a few decades ago when I received a summons from the German armed forces, the Bundeswehr, to an “assessment” for military service. My reaction was one of ambivalence. While the prospect of being square-bashed in some barracks in Upper Bavaria held little attraction — I had done the best part of a decade in English boarding schools, so felt I had served my time — I was no conscientious objector. Older cousins related mixed experiences. One had a great time in the Alpine corps, which seemed to be a glorified skiing party; another was bored to tears keeping an eye on supplies in the quartermasters’ unit.

Everyone spoke of the boredom and the mindless drinking. The notion that conscription might be a useful experience that would set one up for life seemed fanciful. It was probably something best got over and done with — in a quick march.

In the event my date with destiny never came because, at the time of the call-up, I was in higher education. I doubt I would have made a good impression. Multiple ear-piercings, ripped jeans and a T-shirt emblazoned with “Arm The Unemployed” did not shriek willing recruit. By the time I graduated I was dismissed as surplus to requirements: my age cohort was a big one and the Bundeswehr had taken its fill. Besides, as a foreign-born citizen I was probably a bit dodgy anyway. Not long thereafter the Berlin Wall fell and with it one of the reasons underpinning conscription.

The wider societal benefits of conscription were always a subject of heated debate, even during the cold war. Critics saw it as a waste of time and money for all involved. Far better to focus on those who really did want to serve. Over time, most western countries have scrapped conscription. In the case of Germany it stopped five years ago. At the time there was some debate about the loss to wider society, not least due to the ending of welfare services provided by conscientious objectors who did not don a uniform.

In Beer Sheva I wondered whether the point had been slightly missed. As countries fret about how to develop the skills needed to thrive in the digital age, Israel seems to have found the answer in an old (if not uncontroversial) solution.

frederick.studemann@ft.com

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I always find it amazing that Israel, which has a similar population size and GDP to my own city of Hong Kong, has such an advanced defence sector that puts a lot of major countries to shame.
 
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I always find it amazing that Israel, which has a similar population size and GDP to my own city of Hong Kong, has such an advanced defence sector that puts a lot of major countries to shame.
I think its because of their history, always been persecuted throughout the ages. There is no other option for Israel but to succeed in eveything.
 
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We don't have another choice my friend,it's live well or die hard

That's true. Israelis have a survivalist mentality. Too bad that China, despite going through a similar hell in the past two centuries is still lagging in this area.

Growing up I had a friend who was an Israeli national (I went to an International school in Hong Kong), and he would always tell me about how he was looking forward to doing his national service in the IDF. He was a smart guy with a bright future, yet still so eager to do his national duty.

Whereas in China, a lot of people join the army as a sort of career opportunity. We haven't had any wars for the past 3 decades so there hasn't been that much need for a more defence minded outlook.

One thing we should have learned from history is that you can never be weak. If you are weak you invite disaster. Never again my friend.
 
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That's true. Israelis have a survivalist mentality. Too bad that China, despite going through a similar hell in the past two centuries is still lagging in this area.
Remember that like us you(Chinese)are here thousends of years,i don't know since when you considering yourselves as a nation but i'm sure you're here for a long time,you survived the mongolians and the japanese occupation for example,
I always heard the Chinese say they identify with us because we both ancient peoples,don't underestimate yourself.

Growing up I had a friend who was an Israeli national (I went to an International school in Hong Kong), and he would always tell me about how he was looking forward to doing his national service in the IDF. He was a smart guy with a bright future, yet still so eager to do his national duty.
Just imagine how is it,after 2,000 years without the right or the ability to protect yourself,you have the chance to do it,Although it is mandatory to join the army in israel, everyone sees it as a privilege and not as a must,this is why we celebrate Purim,because we got the right to defend ourselves back in ancient persia,this is why jews from around the world join to the israeli army even though they are not israelis,they come to exercise their right to protect their homeland and their people.
Whereas in China, a lot of people join the army as a sort of career opportunity. We haven't had any wars for the past 3 decades so there hasn't been that much need for a more defence minded outlook.
We also had no wars for decades,yes we had some operations but not wars,we don't have to enlist all the people to the army,yet we do it,as we say: "A nation build an army build a nation" - the people build the army,and the army build the people.
The american jews who join the idf(they come in more mature ages like 20-27 and in israel the army takes you in 18),they always say that a 25-27 years old american it's like 19-20 years old israeli.

One thing we should have learned from history is that you can never be weak. If you are weak you invite disaster. Never again my friend.
100% true,+ you can't put your trust in other's hands,the first time we did it we lost samaria,the second time we did it we lost jerusalem and it goes on&on till the last time we did it and the germans made soap from 6 million of us.
Never trust others and never say it will not happen to me because history says it will.
 
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Remember that like us you(Chinese)are here thousends of years,i don't know since when you considering yourselves as a nation but i'm sure you're here for a long time,you survived the mongolians and the japanese occupation for example,
I always heard the Chinese say they identify with us because we both ancient peoples,don't underestimate yourself.


Just imagine how is it,after 2,000 years without the right or the ability to protect yourself,you have the chance to do it,Although it is mandatory to join the army in israel, everyone sees it as a privilege and not as a must,this is why we celebrate Purim,because we got the right to defend ourselves back in ancient persia,this is why jews from around the world join to the israeli army even though they are not israelis,they come to exercise their right to protect their homeland and their people.

We also had no wars for decades,yes we had some operations but not wars,we don't have to enlist all the people to the army,yet we do it,as we say: "A nation build an army build a nation" - the people build the army,and the army build the people.
The american jews who join the idf(they come in more mature ages like 20-27 and in israel the army takes you in 18),they always say that a 25-27 years old american it's like 19-20 years old israeli.


100% true,+ you can't put your trust in other's hands,the first time we did it we lost samaria,the second time we did it we lost jerusalem and it goes on&on till the last time we did it and the germans made soap from 6 million of us.
Never trust others and never say it will not happen to me because history says it will.

Yes, in fact ethnic Chinese have been called the "Jews of Asia":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1514916.stm

Ethnic Chinese in places like Malaysia and Indonesia face a similar situation to overseas Jewish people, they own much of the economy in these regions and are HATED greatly for it, often suffering massacre at the hands of the natives such as the genocide of Chinese in Indonesia.

We also have empathy for the Jews because the Jews and Chinese were both the great victims of the Axis powers in WW2. And now both of us have woken up, we both have the nuclear capability to end the world if anyone ever tries to do that again.

Though China still has some waking up to do. Even today we only spend 1.4% of GDP on defence, I guess we need to focus on becoming a developed country first, something Israel already achieved many years ago.
 
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Israel is truly one of a kind nation. Simply the transformation your strip of land has made from the '40s.
 
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Yes, in fact ethnic Chinese have been called the "Jews of Asia":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1514916.stm

Ethnic Chinese in places like Malaysia and Indonesia face a similar situation to overseas Jewish people, they own much of the economy in these regions and are HATED greatly for it, often suffering massacre at the hands of the natives such as the genocide of Chinese in Indonesia.

We also have empathy for the Jews because the Jews and Chinese were both the great victims of the Axis powers in WW2. And now both of us have woken up, we both have the nuclear capability to end the world if anyone ever tries to do that again.

Though China still has some waking up to do. Even today we only spend 1.4% of GDP on defence, I guess we need to focus on becoming a developed country first, something Israel already achieved many years ago.
I didn't know about chinese in malaysia and indonesia,thank you for the information.
I remember in history lesson in school we learned that the japanese did awful thing to you and now you're capable to defend yourself,also the chinese protect the jews in china from the japanese.
Today china is able to defend itself from outside threats,but it does not mean it safe from the inside,i think you should build your country and your society,the real treasure is the people not natural resources,and you should be more free.
i just got remember that israel made a video to thank china for defending the jews in ww2 and china made your welcome video
 
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