Congress approves bill to allow 9/11 families to sue Saudi Arabia

[That Guy]

And who on earth is disagreeing with him? Yes, this bill may encourage suing of the us but it does not mean foreigners CANNOT sue usa even now. why is this so hard to understand?

I don't know why I'm replying, you're just going to ignore what I've written.

Because other nations would pass similar bills, which would lead to the suing. Right now, only governments can sue other governments, on behalf of their citizens, due to how jurisdiction, diplomatic protocol and national sovereignty work.

By the way, you keep saying that this bill is Saudi specific, it is not:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2040/text

Related bill:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3815/text


No mention of Saudi Arabia was made. The way it is worded to ambiguously is what makes it so damn problematic.

But again, I know you won't read my comment.

 

[Rukarl]

That is the Question, and is it for any other motives or just acts of terrorism perpertrated in the US?

No idea mate, but what you can see is that this bill has the American freaked out. The Iraqis are free to sue the US even now, but have not done so. What Obama is afraid off is that once sauds start being sued, perhaps other will become encouraged to sue US back!

 

[The SC]

No idea mate, but what you can see is that this bill has the American freaked out. The Iraqis are free to sue the US even now, but have not done so. What Obama is afraid off is that once sauds start being sued, perhaps other will become encouraged to sue US back!

It is exactely that.. But can the Iraqis sue the US inside iraq or do they have to do it through their governement and International courts?

 

[Rukarl]

I don't know why I'm replying, you're just going to ignore what I've written.

Because other nations would pass similar bills, which would lead to the suing. Right now, only governments can sue other governments, on behalf of their citizens, due to how jurisdiction, diplomatic protocol and national sovereignty work.

By the way, you keep saying that this bill is Saudi specific, it is not:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2040/text

Related bill:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3815/text


No mention of Saudi Arabia was made. The way it is worded to ambiguously is what makes it so damn problematic.

But again, I know you won't read my comment.

So now you're bringing other bills into discussion when all along I was talking about this specific bill. This bill will not change the fact than anyone outside US can sue us (assuming they don't have their own laws preventing it). You were pretending not to see this obvious fact and instead tried playing around with words such as precedent, which you did not even understand the meaning off. You have also given me neg ref and insulted me. If you can't have a discussion, don't join one. Simple as that.

 

[That Guy]

That is the Question, and is it for any other motives or just acts of terrorism perpertrated in the US?

Yeah, don't listen to him. The way that current laws work, citizenry cannot sue foreign nations, only foreign nations can sue foreign nations. So no, they cannot sue the US currently. I've asked him multiple times if he can prove that citizens of other nations can sue the US, he has refused to provide evidence.

 

[Rukarl]

It is exactely that.. But can the Iraqis sue the US inside iraq or do they have to do it through their governement and International courts?

Good question. international court is the best choice for this. As, what power does Iraqi government has over US? could they get US to pay anything? even international court can't guarantee anything.

 

[alarabi]

A new American drama, anyway Obama is going to veto such a stupid bill and will make a deal with the Congress, but I hope he approves it because there is no evidence links Saudi to the fabricated 11/9. After the court sees nothing against Saudi they will turn the case against Iran to get all the frozen money of Iran (I feel it's gonna happen this way).

I also want the families of those who got killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Yemen to have the same right to sue the US over its daily drone strikes.

 

[That Guy]

So now you're bringing other bills into discussion when all along I was talking about this specific bill. This bill will not change the fact than anyone outside US can sue us (assuming they don't have their own laws preventing it). You were pretending not to see this obvious fact and instead tried playing around with words such as precedent, which you did not even understand the meaning off. You have also given me neg ref and insulted me. If you can't have a discussion, don't join one. Simple as that.

Uh, no. I'm not bringing in any other bill, this is the exact bill that was approved. What bill are you talking about?

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...ses-bill-to-allow-9-11-lawsuits-against-saudi

If Obama does choose to veto the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, supporters believe that they have the two-thirds majority needed to override him — a first during his presidency.

“I think we easily get the two-thirds override if the president should veto,” Sen. Charles Schumer(D-N.Y.), who introduced the bill in the Senate, said when the bill cleared the upper chamber in the spring.

Link the bill you're talking about, because as far as I know, the bill they passed was the one I posted the links to.

 

[Rukarl]

Uh, no. I'm not bringing in any other bill, this is the exact bill that was approved. What bill are you talking about?

Do you not even read your own comments? you said "Because other nations would pass similar bills"
I don't care about other bills, I am talking about this specific US bill.

 

[That Guy]

Do you not even read your own comments? you said "Because other nations would pass similar bills"
I don't care about other bills, I am talking about this specific US bill.

How about you read my comment? I addressed your claim that the bill was Saudi-centric, which I proved it wasn't.

If you're going to lie, at least make it believable.

 

[The SC]

Good question. international court is the best choice for this. As, what power does Iraqi government has over US? could they get US to pay anything? even international court can't guarantee anything.

The only power that the Iraqi governement has over the US is the recognition of American courts of the fake premises on which the invasion was justified ie; the senate commite's hearings.
And yes in the long run they can oppose American investments or seize them.. but that is in the long run!.

 

[Rukarl]

How about you read my comment? I addressed your claim that the bill was Saudi-centric, which I proved it wasn't.

If you're going to lie, at least make it believable.

You are trolling, I am not talking saudi centric here. I am debunking your strange claims that Iraqis for example, cannot sue US and your attempts of countering that is Obama saying this bill will send a precedent

The only power tha the Iraqui governement as over the US is the recognition of American courts of the fake premises on which the invasion was justified ie; the senate commite's hearings..

Exactly, whereas US court can fine saudis by taking from their assets etc!

 

[That Guy]

You are trolling, I am not talking saudi centric here. I am debunking your strange claims that Iraqis for example, cannot sue US and your attempts of countering that is Obama saying this bill will send a precedent

Yeah, see? I said you wouldn't even read my comment properly, I guess I was right.

Exactly, whereas US court can fine saudis by taking from their assets etc!

Which would have an massive negative impact on both diplomatic relations, as well as lead to economic issues.

 

[Rukarl]

Which would have an massive negative impact on both diplomatic relations, as well as lead to economic issues.

I am not denying that. But I feel in future saudi-US relations will be on a negative path. Maybe US is rethinking its saudi policy.

 

[That Guy]

I am not denying that. But I feel in future saudi-US relations were on a negative path. Maybe US is about to rethink its saudi policy?

It isn't. This is a stunt, nothing more, as I've maintained from the very beginning.