Conflict between Russia and Ukraine may lead to World War III

[K_Bin_W]

Western EU does not want to pick a fight with Russia but US, Turkiye and Eastern EU countries are forcing Russia to fight.

Russia is not starting the war as it knows that it would lose the war and Russia would get balkanized and annexed by the US, Turkiye and China.

Looks like you have been smoking lots of that Afghan stuff... lol....

 

[SIPRA]

Looks like you have been smoking lots of that Afghan stuff... lol....

According to "her" own admission, If I am not mistaken, "she" is a "lady" from South India.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

wrong again. Russia did not support armenia virtually at all. bad example.

Armenia used Russian Equipment.

Azerbaijan used Equipment from Turkiye, Israel & Pakistan.

Russia would not intervene as both are CSTO countries and Russia wanted both to be on Russia's side but Turkiye, Israel and Pakistan wanted to wean away Azerbaijan out of Russian sphere of influence to weaken Russian position in caucuses.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

istanbul has nothing to do with us warships...... Its plain geopolitics and geo-economics. Azerbaijan itself is under Russian camp man!

Turkiye has full control over the Bosporus & Dardanelles Straits and Marmara sea.

If Turkiye wishes she could stop all non Black Sea littoral state's naval assets going into Black Sea but they are allowing US Navy into Black Sea to weaken Russia.

 

[GumNaam]

Armenia used Russian Equipment.

Azerbaijan used Equipment from Turkiye, Israel & Pakistan.

Russia would not intervene as both are CSTO countries and Russia wanted both to be on Russia's side but Turkiye, Israel and Pakistan wanted to wean away Azerbaijan out of Russian sphere of influence to weaken Russian position in caucuses.

don't you get sick of being wrong? azarbaijan left csto waaaaay back in 1999. if you REALLY wanna see what happens when Russia intervenes then look at Syria. asad is still there in power now ain't he?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Please be at least a little skeptical about the stupid news you read online and learn something about it.

Kanal Istanbul cannot bypass Montreux. Kanal Istanbul will open to the Sea of Marmara. So you have to use the Sea of Marmara in this pass. In addition, there is not just one strait connecting the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, there are two straits. You passed Istanbul with Kanal Istanbul, how will you pass Çanakkale? Please read the Straits convention at least once.

You wrote something long above. Honestly, I didn't read it all. But first go and look at the speeches at the 2010 NATO summit and the statements made by the guest of honor, Russia.

In 2010, "Russia" attended the NATO summit in Lisbon and called the friendly meeting "historic in terms of its spirit and atmosphere. At the NATO summit in 2010, "Russia" presented a grand proposal for missile defense cooperation, not exactly something you normally do with enemies.

I am aware that there are two straits - Bosporus and Dardanelles but the key point is that the Istanbul canal would not be governed and limited by the Montreux convention. So Turkiye will have freedom to allow large US naval assets into Black sea.

 

[dBSPL]

I am aware that there are two straits - Bosporus and Dardanelles but the key point is that the Istanbul canal would not be governed and limited by the Montreux convention. So Turkiye will have freedom to allow large US naval assets into Black sea.

According to the The Montreux Convention and Regime of the Straits, states bordering the black sea have the right to use the straits to transfer their submarines, which they have built or purchased outside this sea, to their bases, provided that Turkiye is informed beforehand. In addition, the bordering Black Sea states' right to use the Straits for the purpose of crossing their submarines for repair their ships into outside of the Black Sea shipyards is also recorded in the convention. Submarines should make their strait passages on the water surface and under the guidance of pilot ships.

Non-bordering state navies cannot enter with submarines into the Black Sea. Likewise, warships with a total displacement of more than 15,000 tons and aircraft carriers cannot pass through the straits.

Apart from these, in accordance with Montreux, both the USA and Russia have to give advance notice to Turkiye in order to pass 'all types of' warships through the Turkish Straits. (This preliminary notification is 1 week for Black Sea littoral countries and 2 weeks for non Black Sea countries.)

Trade Ships can generally pass freely through the Straits. In fact, TR does not have an option to prevent the passage of merchant ships.

Ironically, although the Straits Convention was created with the support of the USA due to the rapidly increasing Soviet threat in eastern Europe; nowadays, it restricts the access of the USA to the Black Sea. Thanks to this control over the straits, it is the only region over world seas where the US navy is not active. In this respect, the Straits Convention is the only Sea contract in the world that has the feature of demilitarization. Today, this climate of peace at Blacksea has also supported with BLACKSEAFOR, which is joint Black sea countries naval initiative lead by TR and Russia. You lack a lot of knowledge on these issues. You should read more. If you want, I can recommend helpful resources on these issues. So Please stop that!

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

According to the The Montreux Convention and Regime of the Straits, states bordering the black sea have the right to use the straits to transfer their submarines, which they have built or purchased outside this sea, to their bases, provided that Turkiye is informed beforehand. In addition, the bordering Black Sea states' right to use the Straits for the purpose of crossing their submarines for repair their ships into outside of the Black Sea shipyards is also recorded in the convention. Submarines should make their strait passages on the water surface and under the guidance of pilot ships.

Non-bordering state navies cannot enter with submarines into the Black Sea. Likewise, warships with a total displacement of more than 15,000 tons and aircraft carriers cannot pass through the straits.

Apart from these, in accordance with Montreux, both the USA and Russia have to give advance notice to Turkiye in order to pass 'all types of' warships through the Turkish Straits. (This preliminary notification is 1 week for Black Sea littoral countries and 2 weeks for non Black Sea countries.)

Trade Ships can generally pass freely through the Straits. In fact, TR does not have an option to prevent the passage of merchant ships.

Ironically, although the Straits Convention was created with the support of the USA due to the rapidly increasing Soviet threat in eastern Europe; nowadays, it restricts the access of the USA to the Black Sea. Thanks to this control over the straits, it is the only region over world seas where the US navy is not active. In this respect, the Straits Convention is the only Sea contract in the world that has the feature of demilitarization. Today, this climate of peace at Blacksea has also supported with BLACKSEAFOR, which is joint Black sea countries naval initiative lead by TR and Russia. You lack a lot of knowledge on these issues. You should read more. If you want, I can recommend helpful resources on these issues. So Please stop that!

You have described The Montreux Convention but you shied away from elaborating why Istanbul Kanal is important to allow US Navy into Black sea.

How Istanbul’s man-made canal project could trigger an arms race in the Black Sea – and why China is watching closely​

The Kanal Istanbul project will not be subject to the international treaty that limits the access of warships to the strategically pivotal waters in central Europe

How Istanbul’s man-made canal project could trigger an arms race

The Kanal Istanbul project will not be subject to the international treaty that limits the access of warships to the strategically pivotal waters in central Europe.

www.scmp.com

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[SuvarnaTeja]

don't you get sick of being wrong? azarbaijan left csto waaaaay back in 1999. if you REALLY wanna see what happens when Russia intervenes then look at Syria. asad is still there in power now ain't he?

Turkey shot down Russian fighter and Russia did nothing

Israel bombs Syria, Russia did nothing.

Turkiye occupies half of Syria, Russia did nothing.

 

[GumNaam]

Turkey shot down Russian fighter and Russia did nothing

Israel bombs Syria, Russia did nothing.

Turkiye occupies half of Syria, Russia did nothing.

but this were never their aims now were they? their aim was to remove assad from power and breakup Syria into tiny little countries. and yet, thanks to Russia, here we are, with Asad solidly still in power with no sign of those tiny little countries anywhere to be seen.

 

[zectech]

If Donald Trump Had Won 'Russians Would Already Be in Kyiv,' John Bolton Says​

If Donald Trump Had Won 'Russians Would Already Be in Kyiv' Bolton Says

John Bolton, former national security advisor, said Trump would "have given Ukraine away, basically."

www.newsweek.com

I take the opposite view to Bolton. putin would be on better behaviour in not annexing Ukraine with trump. That when putin was demonized by Obama and the Dems, that putin annexed the Crimea. putin wanted to annex the Crimea with trump or obama, however the timing is when can putin get away with it without humiliating putins friends in the cia.

That is why putin is doing this, putin sees the opportunity of annexing the Ukraine while the controlled opposition to the cia/trump (ie: controlled opposition = biden) are in the White house.

Russia is going to defect to the West and only defect to the cia handlers of the Kremlin. So putin is urged to restore the Russian Empire while his allies trump, farage, le pen, etc are not going to get egg on their face. If putin annexes the Ukraine in the next two years, it is putins enemy of biden to get egg on the face. Same happened with Obama and Crimea.

trump/putin-bots are there to gradually normalize relations with Russia, to bring Russia back into the UK, France and US alliance. It would be ruinous of this effort to have putin retaking the USSR during the time of reconciliation. Since biden and obama are openly hostile to putin, as is their pre-planned role, putin is given the opportunity to annex any former SSR with obama and biden sanctions as the punishment.

No matter who is in the white house, the cia designed it for putin to win. With the Dems, putin is granted permission by the cia to annex anything with sanctions as the punishment. With trump, putin is on the path to gradual normalization. RT news supports Republicans, such as trump, and vilifies Democrats, such as Hillary. RT is aware of this deal. With trump, Russia gets gradually closer to the UK, US and France. With Dems, putin annexes territory.

How the Trump administration’s secret efforts to ease Russia sanctions fell short​

How the Trump administration’s secret efforts to ease Russia sanctions fell short

In the early weeks of the Trump administration, former Obama administration officials and State Department staffers fought an intense, behind-the-scenes battle to head off efforts by incoming officials to normalize relations with Russia, according to multiple sources familiar with the events...

news.yahoo.com

trump wants closer relations with Russia, yet the entrenched neo-liberals in Washington push back. Not everybody is in on it. To give the illusion that Washington is a democracy, these things take time. When Washington is filled with trump cronies, Russian sanctions are going to be rolled back. trump is ahead of the game.

Look at the election results of the Washington DC area. Heavily democratic. The gentry and government class of Washington employees are liberal. When that is replaced with Qanon trumptards, expect Russia to get welcomed into the entente of UK, US and France. Between now and then, Russia is greenlighted by trump and putin allies to annex former SSRs.

 

[Tshering22]

For all the tightening of political positions, Biden is definitely smart to declare that he doesn't want a scenario where American & Russian troops are shooting at each other. That will definitely augur WW3. This is a needless controversy that NATO is causing.

All they have to do is to take an assurance that they will not expand NATO to Russia's borders (given that the Baltics have already joined and are at Russia's doorsteps), in exchange for a similar commitment that Russia would not attack Western Europe.

It is good to see that Russia is not backing down on the threat of NATO expansionism through installing puppet regimes & claiming "popular demand", but the conflict is dangerous for the entire world. If the big powers get busy fighting, then the entire world's small conflicts would also blow up.

Turkiye has full control over the Bosporus & Dardanelles Straits and Marmara sea.

If Turkiye wishes she could stop all non Black Sea littoral state's naval assets going into Black Sea but they are allowing US Navy into Black Sea to weaken Russia.

Turkey is still a NATO ally. They will have to take the official position with the rest of her security partners. Why do you think that the US is also trying to mend the fences after kicking Turkey out of the F-35 program? Because they need Turkey's location.

 

[BHAN85]

Americans are seeking WWIII since 2010 and the Cheonan Sinking.

Later they tried again in Hormuz 2012.

And so on.

America is the biggest enemy of Eurasia, but western european corrupt puppets keep sucking American 8========D and closing eyes.

 

[aziqbal]

the UK has Russia surrounded and Russia really has no where to go

UK stood alone against all the Tyrants and won

history is just repeating itself