Concerning the Fall of Constantinople...

[A.P. Richelieu]

There was no looting it’s all a lie and propaganda. Our glorious Fatih Sultan Mehmed is a holy man of God.

And if there was any looting then it means it was permissable under special circumstances.

You mean like the conquest of Jerusalem during the first Crusade?
Acts of God?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

My man its all nonsense they did not defend anything the walls defended them after the walls collapsed they were finished. Or do you want to believe those heroic hollywood stories be my guest.


You must be out of your mind Ottoman empire in his whole existance didn't field such a large army. It is exaggeration to make europeans feel better about the loss.

Forget about it for a second and just use your common sense does these figures sound realistic to you Ottomans have 150K vs 5000 defenders lmao

There were Ottoman documents showing that the invasion of Austria in 1683 had an even larger army.

 

[Foinikas]

And there are similar such testimonies and sources on opposite side as well.

About 1453? Post them if you have

 

[RIfian]

Its a major sin converting the church into a mosque. Even in the holy quran Allah swt orders the Muslims to protect the Churches!

Were Allah not to check people by means of others, there would have been demolished the monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is often mentioned.

Surat Al-Hajj 22:40


This is the treaty of Prophet Muhamed with the ortodox Christians of the Monestery of St. Catherine Mount Sinai

It was about this time [after the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah] that the Prophet granted to the monks of the Monastery of St. Catherine, near Mount Sinai, his liberal charter by which they secured for the Christians noble and generous privileges and immunities. He undertook himself and enjoined his followers, to protect the Christians, to defend their churches and the residences of their priests and to guard them from all injuries. They were not to be unfairly taxed; no bishop was to be driven out of his diocese; nor Christian was to be forced to reject his religion; no monk was to be expelled from his Monastery; no pilgrim was to be stopped from his pilgrimage; nor were the Christian churches to be pulled down for the sake of building mosques or houses for the Muslims. Christian women married to Muslims were to enjoy their own religion and not to be subjected to compulsion or annoyance of any kind. If the Christians should stand in need of assistance for the repair of their churches or monasteries, or any other matter pertaining to their religion, the Muslims were to assist them. This was not to be considered as supporting their religion, but as simply rendering them assistance in special circumstances. Should the Muslims be engaged in hostilities with outside Christians, no Christian resident among the Muslims should be treated with contempt on account of his creed. The Prophet declared that any Muslim violating any clause of the charter should be regarded as a transgressor of Allah’s commandments, a violator of His testament and neglectful of His faith. (np)

 

[[TR]AHMET]

Its a major sin converting the church into a mosque. Even in the holy quran Allah swt orders the Muslims to protect the Churches!

Were Allah not to check people by means of others, there would have been demolished the monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is often mentioned.

Surat Al-Hajj 22:40


This is the treaty of Prophet Muhamed with the ortodox Christians of the Monestery of St. Catherine Mount Sinai

It was about this time [after the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah] that the Prophet granted to the monks of the Monastery of St. Catherine, near Mount Sinai, his liberal charter by which they secured for the Christians noble and generous privileges and immunities. He undertook himself and enjoined his followers, to protect the Christians, to defend their churches and the residences of their priests and to guard them from all injuries. They were not to be unfairly taxed; no bishop was to be driven out of his diocese; nor Christian was to be forced to reject his religion; no monk was to be expelled from his Monastery; no pilgrim was to be stopped from his pilgrimage; nor were the Christian churches to be pulled down for the sake of building mosques or houses for the Muslims. Christian women married to Muslims were to enjoy their own religion and not to be subjected to compulsion or annoyance of any kind. If the Christians should stand in need of assistance for the repair of their churches or monasteries, or any other matter pertaining to their religion, the Muslims were to assist them. This was not to be considered as supporting their religion, but as simply rendering them assistance in special circumstances. Should the Muslims be engaged in hostilities with outside Christians, no Christian resident among the Muslims should be treated with contempt on account of his creed. The Prophet declared that any Muslim violating any clause of the charter should be regarded as a transgressor of Allah’s commandments, a violator of His testament and neglectful of His faith. (np)

My friend Turks never demolished any churches unlike we have protected and restorated them, but those churches was in Muslim area, there is no any christians over there, so we only use them for Muslim prayers. we never touch mosaics and decors only close with sheet because pictures are forbidden in Islam

Other side if you go taksim area you can see there are a lot of churches. Christians can go churches freely.

 

[PakFactor]

Its a major sin converting the church into a mosque. Even in the holy quran Allah swt orders the Muslims to protect the Churches!

Were Allah not to check people by means of others, there would have been demolished the monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is often mentioned.

Surat Al-Hajj 22:40


This is the treaty of Prophet Muhamed with the ortodox Christians of the Monestery of St. Catherine Mount Sinai

It was about this time [after the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah] that the Prophet granted to the monks of the Monastery of St. Catherine, near Mount Sinai, his liberal charter by which they secured for the Christians noble and generous privileges and immunities. He undertook himself and enjoined his followers, to protect the Christians, to defend their churches and the residences of their priests and to guard them from all injuries. They were not to be unfairly taxed; no bishop was to be driven out of his diocese; nor Christian was to be forced to reject his religion; no monk was to be expelled from his Monastery; no pilgrim was to be stopped from his pilgrimage; nor were the Christian churches to be pulled down for the sake of building mosques or houses for the Muslims. Christian women married to Muslims were to enjoy their own religion and not to be subjected to compulsion or annoyance of any kind. If the Christians should stand in need of assistance for the repair of their churches or monasteries, or any other matter pertaining to their religion, the Muslims were to assist them. This was not to be considered as supporting their religion, but as simply rendering them assistance in special circumstances. Should the Muslims be engaged in hostilities with outside Christians, no Christian resident among the Muslims should be treated with contempt on account of his creed. The Prophet declared that any Muslim violating any clause of the charter should be regarded as a transgressor of Allah’s commandments, a violator of His testament and neglectful of His faith. (np)

This full translation of that Iat and it was related to Al-Madinah period when Muslims migrated out of Mecca, and it’s purpose and context was completely different than what your making it out to be.

(They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, “our Lord is Allah”. Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily Allah is full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will).

Treaties have a time and geographical limit until an objective is achieved. Don’t take one treaty and apply it across the board.

 

[Foinikas]

My friend Turks never demolished any churches unlike we have protected and restorated them, but those churches was in Muslim area, there is no any christians over there, so we only use them for Muslim prayers. we never touch mosaics and decors only close with sheet because pictures are forbidden in Islam

Other side if you go taksim area you can see there are a lot of churches. Christians can go churches freely.

You are wrong:

"The Hagia Sophia and the Parthenon, which had been Christian churches for nearly a millennium were converted into mosques, yet some other churches, both in Constantinople and elsewhere, remained in Christian hands. Many of these became mosques by the time the 16th century was coming to a close, like the Chora Church, for example. Many churches were also destroyed."

Turkey Demolishes Greek Orthodox Church Known as "Hagia Sophia of Bursa" - GreekReporter.com

Turkish authorities on Wednesday demolished a historic Greek Orthodox church in the region of Bursa, north-western Turkey, which had been abandoned. The Georgios Greek Orthodox Church, known as the “Hagia Sophia” of Bursa, was destroyed amid warnings over the safety hazard posed by the structure...

greekreporter.com

And this is just a handful of churches. Imagine how many thousands of churches existed in the late Byzantine period. What happened to them? Did they just disappear?

 

[mulj]

Still better then what greeks did to mosques.

 

[Foinikas]

Still better then what greeks did to mosques.

What did Greeks do to mosques? Return them to their original status as churches or turn them into museums.

Ajde,budalo.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

You are wrong:

"The Hagia Sophia and the Parthenon, which had been Christian churches for nearly a millennium were converted into mosques, yet some other churches, both in Constantinople and elsewhere, remained in Christian hands. Many of these became mosques by the time the 16th century was coming to a close, like the Chora Church, for example. Many churches were also destroyed."

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Turkey Demolishes Greek Orthodox Church Known as "Hagia Sophia of Bursa" - GreekReporter.com

Turkish authorities on Wednesday demolished a historic Greek Orthodox church in the region of Bursa, north-western Turkey, which had been abandoned. The Georgios Greek Orthodox Church, known as the “Hagia Sophia” of Bursa, was destroyed amid warnings over the safety hazard posed by the structure...

greekreporter.com

And this is just a handful of churches. Imagine how many thousands of churches existed in the late Byzantine period. What happened to them? Did they just disappear?

those ruins churches very old most of them belong armanians community, their structure is not solid like other, they are maden by mud not stone, so if you doenst use a build it frazzle

What did Greeks do to mosques? Return them to their original status as churches or turn them into museums.

Ajde,budalo.

this news show what greek done to Turkish mosques, almost 100 destroyed

Ayakta cami bırakmadılar: Yunanistan camileri ya kiliseye ya da sinema salonuna çevirdi

Güney Kıbrıs ve Yunanistan’da camilere saldırılar yine arttı. Limasol’da Köprülü Camii molotofla yakılmak istenirken Tuzla’da camiye Bizans bayrağı asıldı. Dimetoka’da minareye Yunan bayrağı asıldı. Saldırılarda Ayasofya’da Fetih Suresi okunması bahane edilse de, Atina vandalizminin uzun geçmişi...

www.yenisafak.com

 

[TNT]

About 1453? Post them if you have

About every event. You think only westerners recorded history? U dont need to go far, look at ukraine. See how totally two opposite point of views are presented and will be recorded as such. U think ppl of that era didn't lie?? I dont have any specific references for 1453 but im sure there will be Turkish sources as well.

 

[Foinikas]

those ruins churches very old most of them belong armanians community, their structure is not solid like other, they are maden by mud not stone, so if you doenst use a build it frazzle

No,this is just the Byzantine churches. The Armenian ones are in a different category and there's many of them in ruin as well.

this news show what greek done to Turkish mosques, almost 100 destroyed

Yeni Safak is the AKP mouthpiece and we've discussed about this article before. It's written by a Turkish woman based on a Turkish guy who supposedly did "research" and published by the Turkish government's pro-AKP media. It's as biased as an Israeli talking about Palestinian crimes.

 

[Foinikas]

About every event. You think only westerners recorded history? U dont need to go far, look at ukraine. See how totally two opposite point of views are presented and will be recorded as such. U think ppl of that era didn't lie?? I dont have any specific references for 1453 but im sure there will be Turkish sources as well.

Bhai,the scale and type of propaganda that exists today,did not exist back then. It was completely different. Besides,the one Ottoman source that mentions the conquest of Constantinople,agrees with the testimonies of the other 4-5 people who wrote about it.

Yes,of course people in history lied or exaggerated things either by mistake or on purpose. But that is why you research and check various sources. That is why you investigate and see how the stories match. Also,if you have one source and no other sources...well you can't really say "it's lies",because you don't know. For example,if you have let's say 10 Westerners reporting on an event and only one Ottoman,then the validity of the Ottoman source,if it reports contrary things,is reduced. It remains of course an account,but you know what I mean.

That's how it is with history centuries ago. There's sources,you read them,you see if they agree and you check if there's anything on the opposite side. Then you draw conclusions. Besides when you have Greeks,Serbs,Hungarians,Latins(Italians,French and German)meaning people from different ethnicities,social backgrounds and interests,reporting on Ottoman atrocities,then you can't blame it on "anti-Turkish sentiment". It becomes obvious that something was wrong with the Ottomans who advanced in Europe.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

No,this is just the Byzantine churches. The Armenian ones are in a different category and there's many of them in ruin as well.


Yeni Safak is the AKP mouthpiece and we've discussed about this article before. It's written by a Turkish woman based on a Turkish guy who supposedly did "research" and published by the Turkish government's pro-AKP media. It's as biased as an Israeli talking about Palestinian crimes.

Ak party media or not it is not your business, they give sources with photos so ?

No,this is just the Byzantine churches. The Armenian ones are in a different category and there's many of them in ruin as well.

It wont be change they are old and most of them maden by mud and very old.

 

[Foinikas]

Ak party media or not it is not your business, they give sources with photos so ?

They give bull****