Comparative Rail Safety

[Nan Yang]

The landscapes along this corridor is diverse, from desert, grassland, to plateaus.

The most terrible thing is the strong wind. Years ago, a slow train was blown upside down.
Sand itself is nothing, u just elevate the railway.

Under no circumstances should a railway be built like that Saudi version, unfenced, no wind/sand control.
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@Nan Yang look at the anti-wind/sand efforts along the railway

Thanks. I am actually aware of a highway that China built right in the Taklamakan desert and the decades and decades of effort to plant grass along its entire length. Very costly and never ending.

For five years the government experimented with various plants that could survive desert conditions. In 1999, a pilot project of sand protection afforestation belt along a 6.3-kilometer section of the highway was completed. In 2001, the project was expanded until a 30.8-km stretch along the highway was afforested. The project was finally approved by the state in 2003. Today, nearly four-fifth of the highway is flanked by 72 to 78 meter-wide tree belt, covering a total area of more than 3,000 hectares.

It will be interesting to see how Spain will solve these shifting sand problem. If they can't, the entire railway will not be economical.

















http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/05/the-green-belt-along-worlds-longest.html

 

[AndrewJin]

Thanks. I am actually aware of a highway that China built right in the Taklamakan desert and the decades and decades of effort to plant grass along its entire length. Very costly and never ending.


It will be interesting to see how Spain will solve these shifting sand problem. If they can't, the entire railway will not be economical.

















http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/05/the-green-belt-along-worlds-longest.html

I'm wondering how Saudi is gonna handle the financial aftermath with one of the most famous pig countries.

 

[TaiShang]

Actually you remind me Japanese is among safest.
China still cant reach that leverage, although they aren't bad

How did you remember?

The landscapes along this corridor is diverse, from desert, grassland, to plateaus.

The most terrible thing is the strong wind. Years ago, a slow train was blown upside down.
Sand itself is nothing, u just elevate the railway.

Under no circumstances should a railway be built like that Saudi version, unfenced, no wind/sand control.
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@Nan Yang look at the anti-wind/sand efforts along the railway

 

[BoQ77]

The railroad administration announced rules in May that said that all companies in the industry must tell it about accidents that caused three deaths or more. I

Fatality rates in the railroad industry have traditionally been among China’s most closely guarded secrets. The State Administration of Work Safety has a database for accidents that includes data on deaths and injuries in almost all major industries and most of the information is published on its website.

However, the railroad sector is not included in the database, a source close to the safety watchdog said. Before the CRC was created, the old railroad ministry handled nearly every aspect of accidents, especially when the dead or injured worked for a state-owned company in the railroad industry or had relatives who did, experts who follow reform of the railroad industry say.

The ministry managed to keep information about most accidents in-house because it owned hospitals that treated the injured and the companies that could be ordered to compensate victims, the experts said. It also controlled a network of courts and law enforcement that was funded by and answered to local railroad bureaus. This system was intact until 2012.

The ministry started publishing some data in 2007 on accidents that killed people outside the railroad system. The data show that from 2007 to 2012, the number of deaths involving people outside the industry steadily fell every year. Even in 2011, when a collision of two bullet trains in the eastern city of Wenzhou killed 40 passengers, the annual death toll was still 5.4 percent lower than the previous year, the data show. The ministry has never published the total number of people who died in mishaps every year.

In 2014, the CRC published a death toll for the first time. It said that 1,336 people died in railroad accidents in 2013, down 5.7 percent from a year earlier. It said last year the death toll in 2014 was 1,232.

Xie Feng, China’s ambassador to Indonesia, said in August the casualty rate in the railroad industry over the past decade was 0.02 per 1 billion passengers per kilometer, among the lowest of all nations. China is trying to convince Indonesia and many other countries to let it build their railroad networks.

Yet information regarding specific accidents remain out of reach. Caixin has recently reported on two accidents, one in 2013 that left four people dead and the other in 2014 that killed three, but details on either crash remain unavailable.

Dude that is soooo wrong.

Xinhua is reporting 1,232 deaths in 2014 alone!
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-05/04/c_134209334.htm

"Data released by the National Railway Administration (NRA) showed that 1,232 people died in railway accidents in 2014, down 7.8 percent from 2013, according to the Ministry of Transport website." [


That means there were even more in 2013!!!!! Your 317 deaths is completely WRONG

2,568 deaths in 2 years 2013-2014 by railway accidents in China.
That was reported by Xinhua.

I start to doubt on the safest claim by OP.

 

[AndrewJin]

Thanks. I am actually aware of a highway that China built right in the Taklamakan desert and the decades and decades of effort to plant grass along its entire length. Very costly and never ending.


It will be interesting to see how Spain will solve these shifting sand problem. If they can't, the entire railway will not be economical.

















http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/05/the-green-belt-along-worlds-longest.html

Europeans and Amerias now really don't know how to handle infra well.
They have got so many railway accidents in 2016, first in France, the TGV derailment in a trial, and then German trains collision on the same track. People were talking about how accurate Deutsche Bahn was, now every Chinese railway traveler in Germany can see the hard truth there.

 

[TaiShang]

Europeans and Amerias now really don't know how to handle infra well.

They have got so many railway accidents in 2016, first in France, the TGV derailment in a trial, and then German trains collision on the same track. People were talking about how accurate Deutsche Bahn was, now every Chinese railway traveler in Germany can see the hard truth there.

I have had first hand experience of the faults of German software with respect to the new Taipei Metro line to the Taiyuan Airport. The signal system has been acquired from Germany and I have a classmate working for the projects with German engineers. So far, they have been unable to make the software work well. Hence, the physical infra has been completed but the line has yet to open.

I would say, we need to trust our own indigenous development because, in the long run, it pays off with optimum. Our China has been doing great on this regard and we are watching Mainland with awe and inspiration.

 

[AndrewJin]

I have had first hand experience of the faults of German software with respect to the new Taipei Metro line to the Taiyuan Airport. The signal system has been acquired from Germany and I have a classmate working for the projects with German engineers. So far, they have been unable to make the software work well. Hence, the physical infra has been completed but the line has yet to open.

I would say, we need to trust our own indigenous development because, in the long run, it pays off with optimum. Our China has been doing great on this regard and we are watching Mainland with awe and inspiration.

Yes, I have heard of the nightmare of the airport line connecting downtown Taipei and Taoyuan airport.
The construction itself was a disaster and people thought the nightmare finally came to an end, now comes the signal system problem. What can I say!

Celebrating our airport line, inaugurated late this year!
And airport HSR one year left!
More airport lines to come!

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Europeans and Amerias now really don't know how to handle infra well.
They have got so many railway accidents in 2016, first in France, the TGV derailment in a trial, and then German trains collision on the same track. People were talking about how accurate Deutsche Bahn was, now every Chinese railway traveler in Germany can see the hard truth there.

There are a lot of hints that the train accident was in fact a terror attack by the fascist far left but put under cover as the criminal German government needs them to attack anyone who is against the mass migration or any of their constitution breaching policies. We have become very much a disfunctional vassal state of the US.

 

[AndrewJin]

There are a lot of hints that the train accident was in fact a terror attack by the fascist far left but put under cover as the criminal German government needs them to attack anyone who is against the mass migration or any of their constitution breaching policies. We have become very much a disfunctional vassal state of the US.

Conspiracy theory has it here about 2011 train collision made by air industry, and it did take effect with a lot of new trunk routes being built at 200-250km/h instead of 300-350km/h to save the whole industry.

I'm getting confused, far left and far right all fascists?

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Conspiracy theory has it here about 2011 train collision made by air industry, and it did take effect with a lot of new trunk routes being built at 200-250km/h instead of 300-350km/h to save the whole industry.

I'm getting confused, far left and far right all fascists?

There is a great conspriacy between the criminal government and the far left fascist, yes, far left. The crin´minal government even pays the transportation and an hourly wage of 45€/ hour for the far left fascist to stage a counter protest whenever people protest against mass migration or any criminal polcies. The son of the Minsister of Justice is a member of the far left fascist.

You have to know that both sides of the fascist spectrum, left or right, are infiltrated by the Nazi BND. It's not a theory, it's proven conspiracy. Look up for NATO Operation Gladio.

 

[AndrewJin]

There is a great conspriacy between the criminal government and the far left fascist, yes, far left. The crin´minal government even pays the transportation and an hourly wage of 45€/ hour for the far left fascist to stage a counter protest whenever people protest against mass migration or any criminal polcies. The son of the Minsister of Justice is a member of the far left fascist.

You have to know that both sides of the fascist spectrum, left or right, are infiltrated by the Nazi BND. It's not a theory, it's proven conspiracy. Look up for NATO Operation Gladio.

Isn't it at this stage, "aboriginal" Deutscher tend to embrace "fascist" that counter pro-migration leftists?
I am kinda confused with these terms.
In US, people call democrats liberals, but in Australia, the conservatives are called liberals, and in UK there is some other terms.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Isn't it at this stage, "aboriginal" Deutscher tend to embrace "fascist" that counter pro-migration leftists?

You have fallen into the propaganda trap of the left fascists. You need to live in Germany for a while to understand how the sitiuation is like. All our neighbours hate the criminal German gov. But the Germany media is propagating that we are the most loved and morally best country in the EU.

Did you see the popular vote of the last Eurovision Song contest? We were last.

 

[AndrewJin]

You have fallen into the propaganda trap of the left fascists. You need to live in Germany for a while to understand how the sitiuation is like. All our neighbours hate the criminal German gov. But the Germany media is propagating that we are the most loved and morally best country in the EU.

Did you see the popular vote of the last Eurovision Song contest? We were last.

Haha, that terrible Ukrainian song got the first....
How could they vote for that horrible voice, just because it was about ani-Russia movement?
Merkel is really Russia's secret agent?

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Haha, that terrible Ukrainian song got the first....
How could they vote for that horrible voice, just because it was about ani-Russia movement?
Merkel is really Russia's secret agent?

By popular vote, Russia should have won the contest. It was the jury from the TV stations – all of them state controlled – gave Ukraine the most points. There was quite a sh*t storm when Ukraine was announced winner as everybody know that even this sh*tty contest has become a political tool.

 

[AndrewJin]

By popular vote, Russia should have won the contest. It was the jury from the TV stations – all of them state controlled – gave Ukraine the most points. There was quite a sh*t storm when Ukraine was announced winner as everybody know that even this sh*tty contest has become a political tool.

Yes, horrible song and horrible voice just because she chose the best story which was selling perfectly!
Either Australian Korean or Russian should get the first prize and many singers should have been in top10.
Anyway, such contest will never witness singers like ABBA and Celine any more when it only caters for politics.