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https://www.chinafile.com/reporting...y-china-doesnt-publish-fatal-train-crash-data

Disputes between the two agencies running the trains in China over how to classify and publish details on fatal railroad incidents has kept reports on some fatal accidents last year from surfacing, people close to the matter say.

Several employees of China Railway Corp. (CRC), which builds the country’s railroad networks and manages their commercial operations, said they have received reports about several serious accidents that involved three to 10 deaths last year.

None of the reports have been made public, which would contradict new rules from the National Railway Administration, the agency established in 2013 to handle the non-commercial affairs of the country’s railroad network after the Ministry of Railways was dissolved.

The sources Caixin spoke to did not say how many accidents occurred or how many people died in total.

The railroad administration announced rules in May that said that all companies in the industry must tell it about accidents that caused three deaths or more. Information including investigation results and who was punished and how, should be contained in the report and published on the administration’s website within 20 working days after the report was filed, the rules say. As of January 11, no reports on fatal accidents have appeared on the website’s page.

An official from the Ministry of Transport, which supervises the railroad administration, said the CRC opposed the disclosure rules and has argued for a “more cautious” approach to publishing the information.

He said employees of the ministry and the railroad administration found people at the CRC’s 18 regional bureaus were reluctant to cooperate with them on accident probes and on publishing investigation results.

A source close to the ministry said the administration’s rules were rushed out before all parties concerned agreed on key provisions. Negotiations on new rules seem to have stalled over sharp divisions regarding how to investigate and classify fatal accidents, and when and how to release information to the public, he said.

The CRC has not replied to Caixin’s request for comment.

Opening Slowly

Fatality rates in the railroad industry have traditionally been among China’s most closely guarded secrets. The State Administration of Work Safety has a database for accidents that includes data on deaths and injuries in almost all major industries and most of the information is published on its website.

However, the railroad sector is not included in the database, a source close to the safety watchdog said. Before the CRC was created, the old railroad ministry handled nearly every aspect of accidents, especially when the dead or injured worked for a state-owned company in the railroad industry or had relatives who did, experts who follow reform of the railroad industry say.

The ministry managed to keep information about most accidents in-house because it owned hospitals that treated the injured and the companies that could be ordered to compensate victims, the experts said. It also controlled a network of courts and law enforcement that was funded by and answered to local railroad bureaus. This system was intact until 2012.

The ministry started publishing some data in 2007 on accidents that killed people outside the railroad system. The data show that from 2007 to 2012, the number of deaths involving people outside the industry steadily fell every year. Even in 2011, when a collision of two bullet trains in the eastern city of Wenzhou killed 40 passengers, the annual death toll was still 5.4 percent lower than the previous year, the data show. The ministry has never published the total number of people who died in mishaps every year.

In 2014, the CRC published a death toll for the first time. It said that 1,336 people died in railroad accidents in 2013, down 5.7 percent from a year earlier. It said last year the death toll in 2014 was 1,232.

Xie Feng, China’s ambassador to Indonesia, said in August the casualty rate in the railroad industry over the past decade was 0.02 per 1 billion passengers per kilometer, among the lowest of all nations. China is trying to convince Indonesia and many other countries to let it build their railroad networks.

Yet information regarding specific accidents remain out of reach. Caixin has recently reported on two accidents, one in 2013 that left four people dead and the other in 2014 that killed three, but details on either crash remain unavailable.



Dude that is soooo wrong.

Xinhua is reporting 1,232 deaths in 2014 alone!
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-05/04/c_134209334.htm

"Data released by the National Railway Administration (NRA) showed that 1,232 people died in railway accidents in 2014, down 7.8 percent from 2013, according to the Ministry of Transport website."


That means there were even more in 2013!!!!! Your 317 deaths is completely WRONG
lol.. Look how desperate our US counterpart trying to pull down others to mask their own deadly train statistic. How many China train derail or collide in 2014 and kill the train passenger? Care to tell me? None... :D

While US, many many :lol:
 
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China's railway accidents are mostly not train accidents per se, but because of pedestrians ignore the safety signs and cross or walk along the railway. We call intra-rail accidents in Chinese, that are the real accidents, i.e. train derails, train collides with another train, train overspeeds, etc. But USA's accidents are really train accidents, deadly derailments, collision of trains, overspeeding (yeah, 100km/h on a designed 80km/h rail is overspeeding!). We all know USA railways are century-old and extremely outdated, and I am quite shock to see how Americans in PDF react to such abysmal condition.

well, you are right.

India also have many Derailing accidents but most of them are in Eastern India.
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UP MP to Bengal.

This Region is one of the most poorest Region with Higest population in India. poverty is so rempet that you can say that this is Somalia of Asia.

Fortunately our new Government is trying Really hard to bring Investent in East. also large no of Infra. projects are also coming there.

btw, INdia is going to Buy and manufacture Talgo 250 locally under Make in INdia project.
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even Saudi arabia is buying this one. we can also use this on our Indian Gedge, have you ever traveled in this one ?


oh you have no Idea, our gov. is lapdog of US still they are no.1 in Damaging our Image worldwide.
If u really want to buy some trains from Europe, I'll recommend the German ones though German bullet trains had the biggest HSR accident ever in history (100+). Unforturanetly I'm not so into Spanish ones, they adopt completely different techs from their European counterparts. And during the last Spanish HSR derailment which caused 70+ deaths, Spanish experts explained in a way lots of railway fans around the world could not be convinced, again blaming all on the driver, though a lot of signs showed the technological problems. I hope those problems have been tackled. Still, it is a very good train!
 
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1 dead, 8 injured in train derailment
The Korea Herald
Published : 2016-04-22 17:51
Updated : 2016-04-22 17:57

A South Korean passenger train derailed early Friday in the southern port city of Yeosu, South Jeolla Province, leaving one engineer dead and eight passengers injured, according to the state-run railway operator.

The overnight train was traveling from Seoul to Yeosu when its locomotive and four of the train’s seven passenger cars came off the tracks near Yulchon Station at around 3:40 a.m., the Korea Railroad Corporation said.

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Officials of state-run railway operator KORAIL perform rescues and restorations Friday at the scene of a passenger train derailment around Yulchon Station in Yeosu, South Jeolla Province. The accident left one dead and eight injured. (Yonhap)

Of 27 passengers and crew members, a 53-year-old engineer surnamed Yang was killed in the crash. The other engineer and seven passengers sustained minor injuries.

According to the regional railroad police, the Mugunghwa train was excessively speeding when it switched tracks and entered a curved section, allegedly traveling at 127 kilometers per hour when asked to operate at below 50 kilometers per hour.

The train, which had departed Seoul at 10:45 p.m. on the previous day, is suspected of speeding under pressure to arrive in time at Yeosu Station.

Police are looking into the train’s black box and two-way radio communications for any possible misconduct or violation of safety rules.

During questioning, an official at the controller and the train‘s second engineer gave conflicting statements, authorities said. While the official claimed to have ordered the engineer to slow down before reaching Yulchon station, the latter rebutted that he was told to lower the speed at the next stop.

The train operations, which were suspended in Yeosu and nearby Suncheon areas, will resume early Saturday morning.

KORAIL dispatched some 200 staff members to restore the rails and hired charter buses to transport passengers during the recovery work, which could take up to 20 hours.

The day‘s accident was the latest in a series of train derailments this year. A freight train went off the tracks near Sintanjin Station in Daejeon last month, triggering worries over the state-run rail agency’s lack of safety measures.

According to statistics by the Korea Transportation Safety Authority, South Korea has seen an average of 3.5 train derailment cases annually since 2001.

By Ock Hyun-ju (laeticia.ock@heraldcorp.com)
 
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Freight train derails on outskirts of Washington DC, leaking 'hazardous material' that can burn human skin, and rupturing an underground gas line



  • The crash occurred at around 6:40am Sunday morning; it's not known why
  • Some 14 cars were derailed; one leaked sodium hydroxide, aka lye
  • Lye can burn skin and eyes on contact, and damage lungs if inhaled
  • It's not known how much leaked but the ruptured car has been plugged
  • And fire chiefs say the fumes should not be dangerous
  • A gas line was also ruptured and the supply has now been turned off
  • Emergency crews have shut down roads and trains in the area
  • A driver and conductor were on the train but are uninjured


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...DC-possible-hazardous-leak.html#ixzz47Qc8ewoG
 
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2011/06/02
Comparative Rail Safety


Using Wikipedia’s list of rail crashes and its UIC-sourced list of rail passenger-km by country, one can compare different countries’ mainline passenger rail accident fatality rates. The US turns out to be the least safe among the regions I’ve checked, even worse than India; much-maligned China comes out first.

I constructed the list below by averaging accident rates going back to 1991, to smooth out fluctuations coming from low-frequency, high-impact disasters. Crashes involving only freight trains are ignored, and pedestrians and car and bus passengers struck by passenger trains are included. Bombings are excluded, but sabotage incidents leading to accidents are included.

:yahoo:China: 876.22 billion passenger-km/year, 317 deaths over 20 years. This is one death per 55.3 billion passenger-km.:yahoo:

:chilli:Japan: the UIC claims 253.55 billion passenger-km/year, which only includes JR companies. Figures including private railroads and excluding subways range from 360 to 395.9 billion passenger-km; I believe the higher number since it is slightly less dated. Over 20 years there have been 154 deaths, so this is one death per 51.4 billion passenger-km. Including subways would put Japan on a par with China.:chilli:

:crazy:EU-27: 386.24 billion passenger-km/year (presumably mainline only), 603 mainline deaths over 20 years. This does not include 155 deaths from a fire on a funicular. This is one death per 12.8 billion passenger-km, or 1 per 10.2 billion if the funicular fire is included. This varies a lot by country: the safest European countries, such as France and the Netherlands, are on a par with China and Japan, but the EU average is pulled down by Germany (due to Eschede) and the periphery.:crazy:

:bounce:South Korea: 31.3 billion passenger-km/year, 93 deaths over 20 years. This is one death per 6.7 billion passenger-km. Here the mainline-only rule is a problem because a) the Seoul subway is even more integrated with commuter rail than the Tokyo subway, and b) a subway fire in Daegu killed 198 people.:bounce:

:azn:India: 838.03 billion passenger-km/year, 2,556 deaths over 20 years. This is one death per 6.6 billion passenger-km.:azn:

:angel:US: 27.26 billion passenger-km/year (both Amtrak and commuter rail), 159 deaths over 20 years. Note the rate is more than twice that of China per capita, let alone per rail passenger. This is one death per 3.4 billion passenger-km.:angel:

For comparison, the US road network has 33,000 accident deaths and 7.35 trillion passenger-km per year, which is one death per 220 million passenger-km.

On a closing note, China not only has the safest passenger trains, but also by far the busiest tracks. Freight density beats that of the US and Russia and passenger density beats that of any European country.
Well done, bro! Efforts much appreciated. :enjoy::enjoy::enjoy:

Exactly. If a similar accident happened in China (Heavens forbid), the Western media would go berserk, and I am not even talking about the little neo-fascists and "opinionated" pricks under the guise of bloggers and non-resident analysts here and there.

When it happens in their own beloved West, they suddenly turn perfectly empirical, often "waiting for the result of full investigation" made by the very state that led to the accident due to, most likely, some faults in the system or mismanagement.
I wonder if Gordon Chang is interested in rails? He would have a field day celebrating Chinese new year and birthday together.

https://www.chinafile.com/reporting...y-china-doesnt-publish-fatal-train-crash-data

Disputes between the two agencies running the trains in China over how to classify and publish details on fatal railroad incidents has kept reports on some fatal accidents last year from surfacing, people close to the matter say.

Several employees of China Railway Corp. (CRC), which builds the country’s railroad networks and manages their commercial operations, said they have received reports about several serious accidents that involved three to 10 deaths last year.

None of the reports have been made public, which would contradict new rules from the National Railway Administration, the agency established in 2013 to handle the non-commercial affairs of the country’s railroad network after the Ministry of Railways was dissolved.

The sources Caixin spoke to did not say how many accidents occurred or how many people died in total.

The railroad administration announced rules in May that said that all companies in the industry must tell it about accidents that caused three deaths or more. Information including investigation results and who was punished and how, should be contained in the report and published on the administration’s website within 20 working days after the report was filed, the rules say. As of January 11, no reports on fatal accidents have appeared on the website’s page.

An official from the Ministry of Transport, which supervises the railroad administration, said the CRC opposed the disclosure rules and has argued for a “more cautious” approach to publishing the information.

He said employees of the ministry and the railroad administration found people at the CRC’s 18 regional bureaus were reluctant to cooperate with them on accident probes and on publishing investigation results.

A source close to the ministry said the administration’s rules were rushed out before all parties concerned agreed on key provisions. Negotiations on new rules seem to have stalled over sharp divisions regarding how to investigate and classify fatal accidents, and when and how to release information to the public, he said.

The CRC has not replied to Caixin’s request for comment.

Opening Slowly

Fatality rates in the railroad industry have traditionally been among China’s most closely guarded secrets. The State Administration of Work Safety has a database for accidents that includes data on deaths and injuries in almost all major industries and most of the information is published on its website.

However, the railroad sector is not included in the database, a source close to the safety watchdog said. Before the CRC was created, the old railroad ministry handled nearly every aspect of accidents, especially when the dead or injured worked for a state-owned company in the railroad industry or had relatives who did, experts who follow reform of the railroad industry say.

The ministry managed to keep information about most accidents in-house because it owned hospitals that treated the injured and the companies that could be ordered to compensate victims, the experts said. It also controlled a network of courts and law enforcement that was funded by and answered to local railroad bureaus. This system was intact until 2012.

The ministry started publishing some data in 2007 on accidents that killed people outside the railroad system. The data show that from 2007 to 2012, the number of deaths involving people outside the industry steadily fell every year. Even in 2011, when a collision of two bullet trains in the eastern city of Wenzhou killed 40 passengers, the annual death toll was still 5.4 percent lower than the previous year, the data show. The ministry has never published the total number of people who died in mishaps every year.

In 2014, the CRC published a death toll for the first time. It said that 1,336 people died in railroad accidents in 2013, down 5.7 percent from a year earlier. It said last year the death toll in 2014 was 1,232.

Xie Feng, China’s ambassador to Indonesia, said in August the casualty rate in the railroad industry over the past decade was 0.02 per 1 billion passengers per kilometer, among the lowest of all nations. China is trying to convince Indonesia and many other countries to let it build their railroad networks.

Yet information regarding specific accidents remain out of reach. Caixin has recently reported on two accidents, one in 2013 that left four people dead and the other in 2014 that killed three, but details on either crash remain unavailable.



Dude that is soooo wrong.

Xinhua is reporting 1,232 deaths in 2014 alone!
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-05/04/c_134209334.htm

"Data released by the National Railway Administration (NRA) showed that 1,232 people died in railway accidents in 2014, down 7.8 percent from 2013, according to the Ministry of Transport website."


That means there were even more in 2013!!!!! Your 317 deaths is completely WRONG
Did you read the article you posted?
I would suggest you read it again. It has nothing to do what the OP has drawn up. He literally mean rail accidents, not floods or trespassing rail tracks etc.
 
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you are right actually they are also facing Problems in their Saudi High speed Train Project.
i am talking about Talgo 250.

maybe you should Read this Artical
irishtimes /business/spanish-high-speed-rail-fiasco-in-saudi-arabia-1.2094125

Looks like a big problem.

 
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As expected, with the best infrastructure, China is the safest one. Great to have this thread to debunk the lie that the japanese rail safety is the best.

Actually you remind me Japanese is among safest.
China still cant reach that leverage, although they aren't bad
 
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Three men are killed when a California Amtrak train traveling up to 80mph slams into their pickup, ripping the truck in two
  • The three men in the truck died on Friday when the driver pulled in front of a speeding Amtrak
  • Train crashed into the truck, ripping it in two but injuring none of the train's 217 passengers, authorities said
  • The train was traveling up to 80mph from Bakersfield to Oakland through rural Central California
  • Accident appears to have happened because freight train was blocking main road
  • Subsequently, the pickup driver took a dirt road parallel to the tracks to find a way around it, authorities said






Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...slams-pickup-killing-3-men.html#ixzz48gHgEJev
 
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Looks like a big problem.

lol
They don't know how to design HSR on the desert.
I think the only desert HSR is in China, namely Lanzhou-Xinjiang HSR.
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Or the old railway built decades ago
Baotou-Lanzhou railway, Northwest China.
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Three men are killed when a California Amtrak train traveling up to 80mph slams into their pickup, ripping the truck in two
  • The three men in the truck died on Friday when the driver pulled in front of a speeding Amtrak
  • Train crashed into the truck, ripping it in two but injuring none of the train's 217 passengers, authorities said
  • The train was traveling up to 80mph from Bakersfield to Oakland through rural Central California
  • Accident appears to have happened because freight train was blocking main road
  • Subsequently, the pickup driver took a dirt road parallel to the tracks to find a way around it, authorities said






Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...slams-pickup-killing-3-men.html#ixzz48gHgEJev
Look damn old, no fences and non-electrified.
 
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I do not think the Lanzhou-Xinjiang High Speed Rail is across a SHIFTING SAND desert.

The Lanzhou-Xinjiang HSR runs North of the Taklamakan desert. Is there any railway across the Taklamakan desert ?
The landscapes along this corridor is diverse, from desert, grassland, to plateaus.

The most terrible thing is the strong wind. Years ago, a slow train was blown upside down.
Sand itself is nothing, u just elevate the railway.

Under no circumstances should a railway be built like that Saudi version, unfenced, no wind/sand control.
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@Nan Yang look at the anti-wind/sand efforts along the railway
 
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