Communist China Threatens Not Just Hong Kong, But All Free Nations—20-Yr-Old Activist Joey Siu

[kankan326]

That's where you are wrong.

After WW2, there are no different at all between Hong Kong and UK citizens, Hong Kong resident are UK citizens, and can be freely move to UK if they want. In fact, the British government encourage Hong Kong Resident along with all other Colonial subject to move to the UK to rebuild UK after WW2, that is what so called "Windrush Generation" started, although that usually related to African and West Indie people live in UK during the migration rush, That status was held until the decolonization period of 1960 when majority of UK Colony either become part of UK or goes independence.

Between 1961- 1983. Hong Kong resident enjoy the same right as any Commonwealth Citizens (not UK citizens prior to 1961) vis-à-vis in relation to the UK when the UK gave Hong Kong resident CUKC from 1961-1983 (Citizens of United Kingdoms Commonwealth), which is right to freely live an work in UK or any commonwealth country, essentially, it is the same status as any UK Citizens, Canadian Citizens, Australian Citizens with regarding the right to UK.

After 1983, a special status of British Overseas Territories Citizens was conferred to Hong Kong and take the right out of line with regards to other British Commonwealth Entity, the British Government did that to pave the way for the Sino-UK joint Declaration which basically lay the road ahead of handing Hong Kong back to China. However, even today, Hong Kong resident with British National (Overseas) status (or BNO) enjoy some degree of privilege in the UK, like a BNO holder can hold government office in UK, serve in the British Armed Forces, right to vote, right to be elected as government official and visa free travel. Essentially, a BNO holder is a British Citizens without the right of adobe.

The UK could not care less about China AT ALL between 1949 to 1983, in fact, as I said before, after WW2 and before Singapore independence, UK actually try to either absorb Hong Kong as part of UK or let it go independence. A notion no one in Hong Kong basically take seriously.

Again, I don't think you know anything about Hong Kong history or British Colonial History.

Why you keep saying "after ww2"? Didn't I make it clear I was talking about how UK treated you before ww2?

For some reason, you really like your GDP figure, as I said before, and I am saying again, it mean nothing.

The reason why Hong Kong is important to China is because the world see Hong Kong and China as two different entity, the world treat Hong Kong and China differently both politically and economically. Hong Kong is always the free port and China have today, still need that free port to boost export as most western world have a different quota on export form China, that is what Hong Kong is known as, a re-entry port. Or why do you think we have a top 10 seaport by tonnage in Hong Kong but we do not have any indigenous export item from Hong Kong?

GDP mean nothing, yes, Shenzhen is close to Hong Kong in GDP (You are actually wrong, Hong Kong GDP is still ahead in 2019 at 370 billions USD nominal while Shenzhen is only 360 billions nominal) But consider this, Shenzhen have twice the population than in Hong Kong, which mean the average earning power is not even 1/2 of what an average Hong Konger earn. In fact, beside Beijing and Shanghai, there are no county or cities in China that earn as much money as Hong Kong on average. You really think China can do without the financial achievement of Hong Kong?

LOL. do you even know if Hong Kong is no longer a declared free market, how much it would damage the financial stability in China?

Two facts you should know.

1. When Trump claimed trade deficit to China, he did include HK export to US into the number(And he intentionally ignored US export to HK). Which means HK can not be an export backdoor for China anymore.
2. HK's GDP is all about finance, estate, sevice. Shenzhen's GDP is mostly about high tech industries. Sense the difference.

Is it like Xi said "The protest must be stop by National Day"? 10-1 went by, nothing has stopped.

As for the limit, yes, let's find out.

Xi never said that. Xi doesn't like talking much. But I personally believe he won't forgive easily. Several years ago when he visited Xinjiang, there was a terrorist attack. You know what happened later.
Marginalizing HK's financial center needs time. Let see what would happen in the next years.

 

[KungFuLee]

When audience watching comedy shows they do many comments, don't they? What happens in Hong kong doesn't concern me personally the least, I don't commute in Hong kong, I don't work in Hong kong, but that show really interests me, I kind of want to find out what will happen in the end, let Hong kong people fight it out by themselves or the government may intervene, I don't have concerns in my life but Hong kong is not one of them.


You can join US, by the way, they've been watching China's crash for over 4 decades already, you are a late comer for that show.

Again, were you educated in the west? Why you seems to not understand what I said?

I never said you should not comment. I said you have "WAY MORE" comment for a person who do not care, and even more than me, a person who have a stake in situation, you have had comment too much for a person who claim who do not care about the situation at all.

Have you ever heard of the phase "Sit back and enjoy the show"?

And again, why would I want to join the US? Hong Kong have nothing to do with the US. And since when did I want China to crash?

Why you keep saying "after ww2"? Didn't I make it clear I was talking about how UK treated you before ww2?

Two facts you should know.

1. When Trump claimed trade deficit to China, he did include HK export to US into the number(And he intentionally ignored US export to HK). Which means HK can not be an export backdoor for China anymore.
2. HK's GDP is all about finance, estate, sevice. Shenzhen's GDP is mostly about high tech industries. Sense the difference.

Xi never said that. Xi doesn't like talking much. But I personally believe he won't forgive easily. Several years ago when he visited Xinjiang, there was a terrorist attack. You know what happened later.
Marginalizing HK's financial center needs time. Let see what would happen in the next years.

How did the British treat us before WW2?

Did you read what I wrote at all? Before WW2, the UK treated Hong Konger the same as any British Subject. There are no "Commonwealth Citizens" back before WW2, all British person have the same entity, they are British Subject, regardless whether or not they come from the Colony.

The term Commonwealth Citizens was created after 1960 when the decolonization started. And even then, the British did not distinguish the right between a British Citizens and a Commonwealth Citizens.

And no, you weren't talking about how UK treated us before WW2, you said China wanted to get Hong Kong back and hence the issue was dependent on China and quote what Mao said, all that does not happen after 1949.

And 2 fact you need to know,

1.) Under 1992 Hong Kong policy act, Hong Kong was granted special status for US imports, which mean the import quota issued to Hong Kong shall not be related to the import quota from China, also, both taxes and export restriction between Hong Kong and China are different in term of US Law maker.

That is the reason why Hong Kong were used as a re-entry port since, literally ever to re-export item from China. Again, if you think about it, Hong Kong no longer have its indigenous export since 1970 when the textile and clothing industry moved north. Why would Hong Kong port still consistently being Top 10 port per tonnage in the world?

2.) LOL. GDP is not about which industry, or otherwise you are claiming the a person who earn money from financial industry is not the same money people earn in other entity. Money is Money, it does not matter which sector they came from, just because a person earn a dollar from Primary Industry does not make that dollar worth less than a person who earn that same dollar in a factory or trading stock, that is how you calculate productivities in GDP. So what you said Shenzhenian earn their money via high tech industry and Hong Konger earn their money thru financial industry is basically a moot point.

The thing is, you can never Marginalize Hong Kong financial center, that is because it was very well established, doing so is a good way to destroy and dismantle world financial industry, including Chinese own. Saying China can marginalise Hong Kong financial centre is like saying China can dethrone US as primary trading currency in the world. That is impossible because the day China have enough resource to do either of them, they would have enough resource to make such action (Destablise USD or Marginalize HK financial centre) a moot point, do you even know how much money you need to put in HKSE in order to control it? That is the money China do not have and when they do, they don't really need to control HKSE to begin with.

Lol, @Mista look, another jungle professor

 

[AViet]

And the so-called "free" nations not only threatened, but conquered, robbed, bombed to the ground and murdered all other so-called "non-free" ones to maintain their dominance.

We Vietnamese still not forget what Australian troops, as an ally of the US, did in Vietnam during our war again Americans. One day you will have to pay.

 

[beijingwalker]

Again, were you educated in the west? Why you seems to not understand what I said?

I never said you should not comment. I said you have "WAY MORE" comment for a person who do not care, and even more than me, a person who have a stake in situation, you have had comment too much for a person who claim who do not care about the situation at all.

Have you ever heard of the phase "Sit back and enjoy the show"?

And again, why would I want to join the US? Hong Kong have nothing to do with the US. And since when did I want China

You dont seem to understand, I do comment more than most posters here on every topic, but that only shows I like to make comments and Im more active in this forum. It doesnt mean I care all the issues I commented here in my real life. I honestly watch what s happening in Hong kong as a comedy show and find many things amusing, you can choose not to believe me though.

 

[kankan326]

How did the British treat us before WW2?

Did you read what I wrote at all? Before WW2, the UK treated Hong Konger the same as any British Subject. There are no "Commonwealth Citizens" back before WW2, all British person have the same entity, they are British Subject, regardless whether or not they come from the Colony.

The term Commonwealth Citizens was created after 1960 when the decolonization started. And even then, the British did not distinguish the right between a British Citizens and a Commonwealth Citizens.

And no, you weren't talking about how UK treated us before WW2, you said China wanted to get Hong Kong back and hence the issue was dependent on China and quote what Mao said, all that does not happen after 1949.

And 2 fact you need to know,

1.) Under 1992 Hong Kong policy act, Hong Kong was granted special status for US imports, which mean the import quota issued to Hong Kong shall not be related to the import quota from China, also, both taxes and export restriction between Hong Kong and China are different in term of US Law maker.

That is the reason why Hong Kong were used as a re-entry port since, literally ever to re-export item from China. Again, if you think about it, Hong Kong no longer have its indigenous export since 1970 when the textile and clothing industry moved north. Why would Hong Kong port still consistently being Top 10 port per tonnage in the world?

2.) LOL. GDP is not about which industry, or otherwise you are claiming the a person who earn money from financial industry is not the same money people earn in other entity. Money is Money, it does not matter which sector they came from, just because a person earn a dollar from Primary Industry does not make that dollar worth less than a person who earn that same dollar in a factory or trading stock, that is how you calculate productivities in GDP. So what you said Shenzhenian earn their money via high tech industry and Hong Konger earn their money thru financial industry is basically a moot point.

The thing is, you can never Marginalize Hong Kong financial center, that is because it was very well established, doing so is a good way to destroy and dismantle world financial industry, including Chinese own. Saying China can marginalise Hong Kong financial centre is like saying China can dethrone US as primary trading currency in the world. That is impossible because the day China have enough resource to do either of them, they would have enough resource to make such action (Destablise USD or Marginalize HK financial centre) a moot point, do you even know how much money you need to put in HKSE in order to control it? That is the money China do not have and when they do, they don't really need to control HKSE to begin with.

Lol, @Mista look, another jungle professor

If UK treated its colonies so well, how come there were so many anti UK revolts around the world by then?

I told you HK export to US has already been regarded as part of China's export by US government. And you are still quoting 1992 HK policy act. Can you face the reality here? At this moment, HK is more like US backdoor to China because Trump didn't take US export to HK as part of China's import from US. US needs HK more than China does.
Your GDP is very fragile and powerless. Trump realized only real industries represent hard power. So he desperately wants these industries back. If let Trump make a choice between HK and Shenzhen, he would choose Shenzhen without any hesitation.

Don't be so confident. Building a new financial center is not so difficult. Investors want to invest their money into China market directly or indirectly. If the way from HK is closed, they will find another way. The decisive factor is China's economy itself.

 

[KungFuLee]

You dont seem to understand, I do comment more than most posters here on every topic, but that only shows I like to make comments and Im more active in this forum. It doesnt mean I care all the issues I commented here in my real life. I honestly watch what s happening in Hong kong as a comedy show and find many things amusing, you can choose not to believe me though.

Well, I am just saying, if I don't care about something, I would not even want to waste my time and comment a lot of something I never cared about.

I am not quell about you being nor care but comment like hell on the other hand, if you think that's normal, who am I to judge?

 

[beijingwalker]

Well, I am just saying, if I don't care about something, I would not even want to waste my time and comment a lot of something I never cared about.

I am not quell about you being nor care but comment like hell on the other hand, if you think that's normal, who am I to judge?

I just like to write some comments on different things, doesn't mean I really care about them, it's a forum, people come here to talk, honestly I only care things that concern me in real life.

 

[KungFuLee]

If UK treated its colonies so well, how come there were so many anti UK revolts around the world by then?

I told you HK export to US has already been regarded as part of China's export by US government. And you are still quoting 1992 HK policy act. Can you face the reality here? At this moment, HK is more like US backdoor to China because Trump didn't take US export to HK as part of China's import from US. US needs HK more than China does.
Your GDP is very fragile and powerless. Trump realized only real industries represent hard power. So he desperately wants these industries back. If let Trump make a choice between HK and Shenzhen, he would choose Shenzhen without any hesitation.

Don't be so confident. Building a new financial center is not so difficult. Investors want to invest their money into China market directly or indirectly. If the way from HK is closed, they will find another way. The decisive factor is China's economy itself.

So you are saying decolonization is something happen because Colonial Power did not treat their colonial right? And one more thing, most UK colony choose to stay within UK sphere of influence, that is why there are something called the Commonwealth. I mean if UK treated their colony badly, I would say when those colony left the dominion, they would flip Britain the finger instead of joining the Commonwealth, don't you think?

And I told you that you are wrong, according to US-Hong Kong Policy Act, those 2 are separate entity.
You do realise US-Hong Kong Policy Act 1992 is still current and in fact was just amended a few days ago by the Hong Kong Human Right bill 2019. Do tell me which act and which law support your statement, rather than it just come from your mouth.

I found it funny you say the US-Hong Kong policy act is signed in 1992 and it is useless now. Weren't the UK-Sino Joint Declaration itself sign in 1984, and was it the thing we still talk about now? Or are you saying it may as well become irreverent because it was signed 34 years ago?

And you do know how Trump got his money? Right? He invest in real estate, that is the complete opposite on industrial sector. And you still have not address the different between a person who earn money via Primary Industry (eg Farming) and a person who earn money by working in a factory.

 

[Nan Yang]

Joey Siu remind me of Chai Ling.

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In an interview given in late May, Chai suggested that only when the movement ended in bloodshed would the majority of Chinese realize the importance of the student movement and unite, though she felt that she was unable to share this idea with her fellow students.

 

[Old School]

People's republic of China is our last hope against the global hegemony of hypocrite West who call themselves liberal.

 

[Mista]

Building a new financial center is not so difficult.

Building a national financial center is fairly 'easy', many countries have their own national financial centers. Shanghai, Tokyo, Jakarta, Bangkok etc. These financial centers serve primarily the domestic market and can afford to be 'isolated' from other economies. Tokyo and Shanghai for example have the 3rd or 4th largest stock markets simply by virtue of the size of their national economies, but they are very domestically focused.

Building a regional or global financial center is a different proposition. By definition global/regional financial centers don't exist in isolation and they need to be linked up with other financial centers and economies. Which means to say you have to be totally plug into the global economy, in terms of flow of talent, flow of capital, flow of information, harmonized law and regulations, transparency etc.

This is where HK serve as a different role from Shanghai for China.

It's very unlikely that China will reform her entire economic, legal, and political system just to build a global financial center. SOEs, capital movement, media, independent judiciary, separation of powers etc.

China isn't interested in these which what they claimed are 'Western concepts'. You can argue whether it's right or wrong for China not to follow these 'Western concepts', but China is just simply different.

 

[kankan326]

LOL. GDP is not about which industry, or otherwise you are claiming the a person who earn money from financial industry is not the same money people earn in other entity. Money is Money, it does not matter which sector they came from, just because a person earn a dollar from Primary Industry does not make that dollar worth less than a person who earn that same dollar in a factory or trading stock, that is how you calculate productivities in GDP. So what you said Shenzhenian earn their money via high tech industry and Hong Konger earn their money thru financial industry is basically a moot point.