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Communist A-Hole Obama Looks To Ban M855 Green Tips

Well you should see some of my threads! I also had a debate with some indian member here about women carrying guns in india,He was against it,I was in favor of it.
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oh, yes... i have seen that thread... i thought i had thanked it...

i wasn't actually being shocked about you a lady carrying guns... in fact, in the libyan jamahiriya every citizen had the right to have guns, but that was a socialist society having a disciplined, politicized and mostly law-abiding citizenry.

i was just concerned if you had succumbed to the strange hunting culture that usa establishment promotes... you know, shooting deer just for the fun of it ( i can never do that ).

as for safety of ladies in india, it is the traditional culture here responsible for all the crimes... india hasn't had a proper revolution since establishment in 1947... other societies have had but india has not... just giving guns to ladies will lead to chaos.


are most americans so politically illiterate to not know the difference between past/existent socialist societies and what bill clinton is trying to fear-monger??

isn't it true that the obamacare website was developed by some capitalist company from extremely capitalist india??

isn't it true that bill's wife, hillary, was instrumental in the devising of the nato invasions ( full and partial ) of libyan jamahiriya and syria, two socialism-guided nations??

isn't it true that obama has not considered the desires of the anti-capitalism people's movement called "occupy wall street"??

communism is really an ideal that most people don't understand... it goes opposite to the capitalist-imperialist establishment permanency that obama is presently head of.

so who is bill clinton trying to convince of socialism/communism being a creeping menacing conspiracy within usa??
 
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I shot yellow tipped 7.62X54 rounds that went through 1/4" steel at 150 yards like warm knife through butter. Public has absolutely no need for these kinds of rounds.
 
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I shot yellow tipped 7.62X54 rounds that went through 1/4" steel at 150 yards like warm knife through butter. Public has absolutely no need for these kinds of rounds.

Just about every popular hunting rifle can do the same. Most are even more powerful.
I can buy a .50 that'll go through an engine block. The commie is picking this one round to bust AR owners balls. F*CK OBAMA !
 
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Just about every popular hunting rifle can do the same. Most are even more powerful.
I can buy a .50 that'll go through an engine block. The commie is picking this one round to bust AR owners balls. F*CK OBAMA !

I strong support peoples right to own firearms.

I was in an outdoor range where someone was shooting a 50 cal Barret. I was standing maybe 10 ft away from it, every-time the trigger was pulled it sounded like a cannon going off, I could actually feel the shock wave.

The Barret is a rental from the Range, one can rent it for $50 an hour, the rounds are about $11 each.

AR is a fine sports rifle, having said that, I don't think people have any need for Armour piercing rounds.
 
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AR?? i'm talking about 7.62x39 and 54

if Obama is a communist and he's apretty shitty one.
hasn't lifted the embargo on Cuba and isn't in a bromance with Putin


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A Liberal compatriot?!

@boomslang what do you exactly fire an AR at?
 
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...@boomslang what do you exactly fire an AR at?

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....AR is a fine sports rifle, having said that, I don't think people have any need for Armour piercing rounds.


It's the 'slippery slope' argument. Today it's M855's, tomorrow.....? That's how the anti gun douche bags work. They try to chip away a little bit of the 2nd Amendment at a time. The AR is the most popular rifle in the U.S. Obama can't directly attack the AR so he does the next best thing, ban its' ammo. F*CK OBAMA !!!! :usflag:
 
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Lawmakers won't be silenced over Obama administration's proposed ammo ban
By Maxim Lott

Published February 28, 2015
FoxNews.com


Lawmakers are firing back at a proposal by the Obama administration to ban one of the most common bullets used with the popular AR-15 rifle, with more than 100 members of Congress signing a letter opposing the move on ammo.

Word of the proposal by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to ban .223 M855 “green tip” ammunition came out on Thursday and prompted an immediate backlash from sportsmen. House members from both parties and some law enforcement officials were not far behind.

“[The ban] will interfere with Second Amendment rights by disrupting the market for ammunition that law abiding Americans use for sporting and other legitimate purposes,” reads the letter signed by lawmakers and addressed to ATF director Todd Jones.

“[The ban] will interfere with Second Amendment rights by disrupting the market for ammunition that law abiding Americans use for sporting and other legitimate purposes.”
- Letter from lawmakers to ATF

The bullets, which can pierce bulletproof vests used by law enforcement, had previously been approved by the ATF in 1986. The agency now says that because handguns have now been designed that can also fire the bullets, police officers are now more likely to encounter them and so they should be banned.

However, the congressional letter notes that the ATF provides no evidence of the bullet’s danger to law enforcement.

“ATF has not even alleged – much less offered evidence – that even one such round has ever been fired from a handgun at a police officer,” the letter reads.

Many police organizations are also not in favor of the ban.

“The notion that all of a sudden a new pistol requires banning what had long been perfectly legal ammunition doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to many officers,” William Johnson, executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations, told FoxNews.com

NAPO represents over 1,000 police units and associations and 241,000 law enforcement officers around the country.

Johnson added that the bullets currently banned under the law deserve to stay banned.

“Some bullets… such as ones coated with Teflon, really are specifically designed to defeat bullet proof vests, and we think they should remain illegal,” he said.

But some law enforcement experts support the ban.

“I am definitely for the banning of these rounds… officers worry about them all the time,” former NYPD detective Harry Houck told FoxNews.com, though he added that a ban might not actually keep criminals from getting the ammunition.

Gun control groups support the ban.

"We understand why law enforcement has always been concerned about the threat of armor-piercing bullets," Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, told FoxNews.com.

Lawmakers warn that the regulation – especially as it follows on the heels of attempts to restrict lead bullets -- will “result in drastically reduced options for lawful ammunition users.” Already, the ammunition has been cleared from many store shelves by gun owners looking to stock up in anticipation of the ban. The proposed regulation would not prohibit owning the bullets, but it would stop anyone from manufacturing or importing them.

Gun-rights groups also worry that the ban – if allowed to stand – won’t stop with this type of bullet.

“Almost any hunting rifle bullet will go through body armor, so you could prohibit almost any rifle bullet with this. This is the administration redefining the law on its own,” Alan Gottlieb, of the Second Amendment Foundation, told FoxNews.com.

The lawmakers also dispute the ATF’s legal authority to ban the bullets, saying that the proposed ban “does not comport with the letter or spirit of the law.”

The law, which was passed in 1986, gives the agency authority to ban bullets that are “constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper or depleted uranium.”

However, the congressmen say that the core of these bullets “contains a substantial amount of lead, raising questions about its classification as ‘armor piercing’ in the first place.”

The congressmen also allege that the ATF violated government transparency requirements.

“The Administrative Procedures Act… requires that ‘general notice of proposed rulemaking shall be published in the Federal Register…’ To date, [the proposed ban] has not been published in the Federal Register.”

The ATF has announced that it is currently taking public comments on the regulation until March 16, when it will prepare to issue afinal regulation. Comments can be sent to APAComments@atf.gov.

An ATF spokesman emphasized that no final decision has been made yet.

“No final determinations have been made and we won’t make any determinations until we’ve reviewed the comments submitted by industry, law enforcement and the public at large,” ATF spokesman Corey Ray told FoxNews.com.

“The framework is… intended to protect law enforcement while respecting the interests of sportsmen and the industry,” he also noted.

Nothing bad in it
 
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I've been waiting for Obama to do this sort of thing for a long while. Hopefully this trend will continue until the "right" to bear arms no longer remains as a right.

Civilized states won't let their citizens start arming up like that. Civilized societies should strive to keep civilians away from lethal arms.
 
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guns for the sake of guns??


No. Constitution for the sake of Constitution. :usflag:

I've been waiting for Obama to do this sort of thing for a long while. Hopefully this trend will continue until the "right" to bear arms no longer remains as a right.

Civilized states won't let their citizens start arming up like that. Civilized societies should strive to keep civilians away from lethal arms.


Read the U.S. Constitution lately ? Well, neither has Obama. WTF do YOU care, anyway ?
 
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Maybe because that's what he is ?
over all his other actions are far from being a commie scumbag but this one is really lame.
my guess is, this move is to appease the urban netcafee dwelling wannabe tree hugger bullies who have issues with everything they cant comprehend.
looks like the administration has all the time in the world to propose the ban on bullets. there must have been a survey done on people attending rights of the right handed cows or some middle aged single mothers who are pissed off with mankind because they have been wronged.

interesting times. lol keep us up to date
 
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...interesting times. lol keep us up to date


There is already a big stink being raised. Obamas' shit might not flush on this one. I have 200 rounds of greenies now. Think I'll order another 200.:usflag:
 
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