COAS: TLP is a creation of Nawaz Shariff to counter Tahir-ul-Qadri

[Oruc]

Its unfortunate that we always let the real master minds escape. Those who created any such outfit or encouraged it should be held accountable. Even if it includes military personals or top politicians.

 

[Awan68]

Most of the punjab ppl doesnt care all they want is free qeema wala naan thats all.

Better eat qeemay walay naan than blow themselves up on innocent women and children, be slaves of waderas or take indian funding to conduct terror against the state, all of the above done by Pathans, Sindhis and Balochis, in the order provided. Punjabis are the only one's that are not a cancer to Pakistan, there u have it before u start crying out racism, u have been dealt in the language u understand.

 

[Ladyuk]

Kashmiri Punjabis have been in Punjab for more than a century now and are completely assimilated. Of course it's the British expat calling them foreign muhajirs lmao

That's the thing they aren't completely assimilated, I have many childhood friends who very proudly tell me that they are PURE kashmiri going back 4 generations on their maternal side and 3 generations on their paternal side. When they get married they make sure it's too a fellow kashmiri, they rarely marry out they tell me that they have to keep themselves PURE kashmiri.

When I ask why they tell me that they keep in contact with the people in the valley, who have told them that if and when Iok is liberated they won't be accepted if they are mixed. Look there are 10-12 millions kashmiris in the valley there are FAR more in punjab here they have formed a voter block in each major city in punjab to get a first generation kashmiri refugee like nawaz sharif wani in power 3 times.

He in turn has filled the party with fellow kashmiris and proceeded to loot pakistan for a good 30 yrs I and people like me have every right to call that out. What I find very interesting is when people thought that nawaz shareef wani and his entire koshur gang of thieves were Punjabi none of you had any problem with abusing him and punjabis in general.

But the moment people like simply pointed out a few basic facts all of a sudden it dosent matter that he is a 1st generation kashmeer refugee. The natives of pakistan have given MILLIONS of afghans/indians/kashmiris refugee and by and large they have caused never ending fitna and fassad in pakistan and 2 have even set up their own ethnic political parties I don't call that assimilation.

 

[Kaleem.61]

What message do we send when we let people like that get away with the blood of so many Pakistanis on their hands? Pathetic.

You probably are talking about 100s of people shooted by police in ISB, LHR and many other locations.

Murdering of innocent people in cells by police torture.

Destruction of personal property by police men?

 

[colonel rajesh]

More in this video ..

that is very serious .

It was very very strange how it was Nawaz Sharifs man who tried to pass anti khatm e nabuwat law out of nowhere suddenly.

And same way i.e out of nowhere suddenly TLP emerged in response. Means NS had been playing a larger game at behest of foreign (and I believe European) intelligence community.

beruni sazish again ?

 

[PakPrinciples]

Oh God,.. this is just so dumb.

TLP won 4% of all the votes cast in 2018 and PAT won... nothing.

How was TLP created to counter Tahir Ul Qadri when he wouldn't even give up his Canadian citizenship to be an MP in Pakistan?

Does Tahir Ul Qadri even live in Pakistan full time like Khadim Hussain Rizvi did?

PAT has virtually no influence in Pakistan outside of the pulpit.

Can we get any official sources for any of the accusations made?

This is just more weird made up nonsense against a group of good men who are die hard patriots but were emotionally charged after the illegal arrest of their party's founder.

Good men on all sides died over something something that never should have gotten violent in the first place had the PTI respected their agreement with them.

After the number recorded incidents of police brutality, vandalism and scenes of murder where unarmed TLP protestors were gunned down by heavily armed police the government and others think they can just sweep it under the rug with lies like the previous PML-N government thought would happen with the Model Town Massacre?

 

[Hiptullha]

When they get married they make sure it's too a fellow kashmiri, they rarely marry out trhey tell me that they have to keep themselves PURE kashmiri.

So? Jatts and other biradaris do this too. Name any Punjabi community which isn't endogamous.

first generation kashmiri refugee like nawaz sharif wani in power 3 times.

Nawaz Sharif isn't first generation. His family is of Amritsari background. And he swept elections campaigning on a Punjabi regionalist platform, so it's funny you're pretending people voted for him based on in-group preference.

none of you had any problem with abusing him and punjabis in general.

Show me one time I abused Punjabis.

The natives of pakistan have given MILLIONS of afghans/indians/kashmiris refugee and by and large they have caused never ending fitna and fassad in pakistan

LOL the irony of saying this when the ideology of Pakistan is built on the philosophy of a Kashmiri Punjabi.

 

[Ladyuk]

So? Jatts and other biradaris do this too. Name any Punjabi community which isn't endogamous.



Nawaz Sharif isn't first generation. His family is of Amritsari background. And he swept elections campaigning on a Punjabi regionalist platform, so it's funny you're pretending people voted for him based on in-group preference.



Show me one time I abused Punjabis.



LOL the irony of saying this when the ideology of Pakistan is built on the philosophy of a Kashmiri Punjabi.

So? Jatts and other biradaris do this too. Name any Punjabi community which isn't endogamous.



Nawaz Sharif isn't first generation. His family is of Amritsari background. And he swept elections campaigning on a Punjabi regionalist platform, so it's funny you're pretending people voted for him based on in-group preference.



Show me one time I abused Punjabis.



LOL the irony of saying this when the ideology of Pakistan is built on the philosophy of a Kashmiri Punjabi.

You are the one who said kashmiris are assimilated as I have explained they aren't and neither wish to be because they are hoping one day they can return to Kashmir and be accepted by their own people.

Secondly us punjabis didn't seek refuge in the millions in their Kashmir and refuse to assimilate so your comparison is a false equivalent.

Nawaz sharif wani mother and father were both born and bred in Indian occupied Kashmir hence both were fluent in koshur. His father was a businessman and moved to amrisar due to this. Also pre partion amrisar had a sizeable muslim population which was mainly made of Kashmir muhajirs who all move to pakistan after independence including nawaz sharif wanis parents.

Now you might not have abused punjabis but i have read it here many times posters racially abusing punjabis because these ignorant bigots thought nawaz sharif wani , ishaq dar khawaja rafique saad rafique etc are punjabis. When people like me pointed out that nawaz and his gang of koshur thieves are in fact kashmiri muhajir then all of a sudden the same bigots either claim his ethnicity doesn't matter or that he is still Punjabi just because he is born their.

Allama iqbal was well assimilated his father was from a kashmiri muhajir background whilst his mother was Punjabi, his wife was also Punjabi. He put his iman before his nasl unlike the millions of afghan/indian/kashmiris muhajir 2 of which has set up ethnic parties and in the future it would not surprise me if the Afghans and hazara also set up their own ethnic political parties.

 

[Hiptullha]

as I have explained they aren't and neither wish to be because they are hoping one day they can return to Kashmir

**** off, you have no source for this beyond some random conversations you've had in your subsidized welfare housing in Birmingham. Kashmiris migrated to Punjab pre-partition during Sikh and Dogra-era famines. That was when the bulk of migration took place. If they all dreamed of returning to Kashmir, they could have done so during British rule when the Dogras were forced to tone down much of their cruelty.

Secondly us punjabis didn't seek refuge in the millions in their Kashmir and refuse to assimilate so your comparison is a false equivalent.

How is it a false equivalent??? Jatts (who originally migrated from Sindh) can be endogamous but Kashmiris can't?

His father was a businessman and moved to amrisar due to this.

Oh, so he wasn't a first generation immigrant. Really makes you ponder! Why would you lie about this???

Now you might not have abused punjabis

Yes, I haven't. So find a new argument instead of hinging your entire attack on false victimization.

Allama iqbal was well assimilated

LMAO what's your criteria for assimilation here? Nawaz Sharif married into an even older very famous Kashmiri Punjabi pehelwan family and his children happen to be the descendants of the Great Gama. Is he assimilated too now?

 

[Ladyuk]

**** off, you have no source for this beyond some random conversations you've had in your subsidized welfare housing in Birmingham. Kashmiris migrated to Punjab pre-partition during Sikh and Dogra-era famines. That was when the bulk of migration took place. If they all dreamed of returning to Kashmir, they could have done so during British rule when the Dogras were forced to tone down much of their cruelty.



How is it a false equivalent??? Jatts (who originally migrated from Sindh) can be endogamous but Kashmiris can't?



Oh, so he wasn't a first generation immigrant. Really makes you ponder! Why would you lie about this???



Yes, I haven't. So find a new argument instead of hinging your entire attack on false victimization.



LMAO what's your criteria for assimilation here? Nawaz Sharif married into an even older very famous Kashmiri Punjabi pehelwan family and his children happen to be the descendants of the Great Gama. Is he assimilated too now?

If anyone needs **** off it's you with you never ending ignorant drivel . You know nothing about me neither am I from Birmingham nor do I live in subsidised housing just more random garbage made up by you which is expected since you can't answer anything on point.

You original comment to me was that nawaz and kashmiri muhajir are well assimilated when I explained they aren't and neither wish to be you then went on a different trajectory over and over again instead of accepting facts and moving onlike many posters on this forum you simply argue for the sake of it.

KashMiri muhajir came in many waves you would know this if you were a actual native of punjab. The came during the brutal mughal rule then during the sikh rule then during the famine in the valley where the hindus Kashmir sealed the valley and tried to starve them to death then during this current Indian occupation.

If that wasn't enough we took more in during the 90s when 30-40 thousand kashmiri muhajir crossed over the LOC this is before the Indians had fenced it up. They all had horrifying stories to tell of what they had suffered at the hands of the Indians. You would think the would show gratitude for being given refuge well you can think again most would take great exception to any native azad kashmiri calling themselves kashmiri since they are not ethnically kashmiri.

Secondly many of this latest batch of kashmiri muhajir that came kept in touch with the jammu and Kashmir liberation front who told them to encourage the native of Ajk to ask for independence instead of living peacefully causing more fitna and fassad in ajk.

I have a entire family of koshur speaking kashmiris muhajir living opposite my house here in the UK that crossed over in the 90s into Ajk and then made their way to the UK.

A while back when one of their daughters wanted marry a British azad kashmir her family said no way because he wasn't a ethnic kashmiri they took her back to pakistan and got her married to fellow kashmiri muhajir. I have known many kashmiri all my life both here in the UK and in pak unlike you.

As far as nawaz sharif wanis family is concerned they are not native to pakistan punjab or Indian punjab as I have already explained. As far as punjabis marrying fellow punjabis is concerned it is our ancestral land where we have lived for thousands of years we are more that entitled to marry who we want. It's not punjabis who ran in the millions to Kashmir and insist on marry fellow punjabis one generation after another nor have taken over a main stream party filled it with fellow punjabis and proceeded to loot Kashmir whilst pretending to be kashmiris when it suits us. As I said a false comparison.

It's quite obvious to me that you belong to a muhajir background yourself hence why you are so riled up. Whether you like it or not the millions of afghan/indian/kashmiri muhajir who came to pakistan have shown next no gratitude for being given refuge and instead cause never ending fitna and fassad in our land.

We the natives of pakistan don't owe anyone anything and have every right to run our own province and call out the fitna and fassad of people like nawaz sharif wani and his koShur gang of thieves.

 

[Hiptullha]

you can't answer anything on point.

Answer what? Everything you've said so far is false.

well assimilated when I explained they aren't and neither wish to be you then went on a different trajectory over and over again

Your criteria for assimilation is a joke. You've written of speaking the language and following the culture of the land as assimilation, which just shows how weak your case is. Your entire argument hinges on your interactions in some backwater ghetto in the UK where your rishta attempts were rejected. I'm interacting with you because I feel embarrassed for you and am trying to get you to refine your arguments.

KashMiri muhajir came in many waves you would know this if you were a actual native of punjab.

Coping diasporoid calling other people non-native LMAO.

The came during the brutal mughal rule

Nice diaspora history. Brutal Mughal rule lmao. You clearly don't know about the history of Kashmir or Punjab because there was never any significant depopulation during Mughal times.

If that wasn't enough we took more in during the 90s when 30-40 thousand kashmiri muhajir crossed over the LOC this is before the Indians had fenced it up.

And for the most part, they're not even settled in Punjab but Azad Kashmir.

As far as nawaz sharif wanis family is concerned they are not native to pakistan punjab or Indian punjab as I have already explained.

Yes, you've already said that a dozen times like an NPC. Now answer me this. Why do Jatts rarely marry outside their clan? They haven't lived in Punjab for thousands of years. They were pastoral migrants from Sindh. Please answer me this instead of weaseling around like a tax-evading petty crook in Birmingham.

It's quite obvious to me that you belong to a muhajir background yourself hence why you are so riled up.

Yes, I'm a Punjabi with Kashmiri background.

We the natives of pakistan don't owe anyone anything

I don't want anything from a welfare fraudiya sitting in the UK, so don't worry. Nor do I need your certificate of approval about my family or community's contribution to the country. Both sides of my family have served in the military and fought for the country while you diddled kids in London. Punjabi nationalists will disagree with your fringe and completely ahistorical opinions and accept us as Punjabi. They will consider people from South Punjab with Baloch and Sindhi ancestry and ethnic Pashtuns from the Hindko speaking parts of KPK as Punjabi so why would they reject Punjabi speaking Muslims with Kashmiri background? Seriously, stick to grooming kids.

 

[Ladyuk]

Answer what? Everything you've said so far is false.



Your criteria for assimilation is a joke. You've written of speaking the language and following the culture of the land as assimilation, which just shows how weak your case is. Your entire argument hinges on your interactions in some backwater ghetto in the UK where your rishta attempts were rejected. I'm interacting with you because I feel embarrassed for you and am trying to get you to refine your arguments.



Coping diasporoid calling other people non-native LMAO.



Nice diaspora history. Brutal Mughal rule lmao. You clearly don't know about the history of Kashmir or Punjab because there was never any significant depopulation during Mughal times.



And for the most part, they're not even settled in Punjab but Azad Kashmir.



Yes, you've already said that a dozen times like an NPC. Now answer me this. Why do Jatts rarely marry outside their clan? They haven't lived in Punjab for thousands of years. They were pastoral migrants from Sindh. Please answer me this instead of weaseling around like a tax-evading petty crook in Birmingham.



Yes, I'm a Punjabi with Kashmiri background.



I don't want anything from a welfare fraudiya sitting in the UK, so don't worry. Nor do I need your certificate of approval about my family or community's contribution to the country. Both sides of my family have served in the military and fought for the country while you diddled kids in London. Punjabi nationalists will disagree with your fringe and completely ahistorical opinions and accept us as Punjabi. They will consider people from South Punjab with Baloch and Sindhi ancestry and ethnic Pashtuns from the Hindko speaking parts of KPK as Punjabi so why would they reject Punjabi speaking Muslims with Kashmiri background? Seriously, stick to grooming kids.

Not surprised by your lame attempts to deflect the attention of what you kashmiri muhajirs like nawaz sharif wani have been doing in punjab by getting defensive and trying to attack me personally.

You know very well what your community has been doing in punjab how you promote each other whether in politics or business and how you voter block to get a fellow kashmiri muhajir into power 3 times. When this gets exposed you desperately try to deflect either by claiming that by virtue of birth in punjab nawaz sharif wani and kashmiri muhajir are somehow punjabi, well if that was the case then as a 3rd generation brit I must be english simply because I was born in england, speak english and are culturally English.

Now this obsession with jatts, jatts are just one of many clans we decend from the came via sindh but were never indigenous to sindh. As I have explained many times it our ancestral land we are more than entitled to marry who we want.

It's you who came as refugees the onus is on you to assimilate not the other way round. I have many interaction with kashmiri muhajir as yourself who when confronted with what they have been doing in the country that gave millions of them refuge get very defensive and abusive like yourself.

Your original comment to me was that nawaz and kashmiri muhajir are well assimilated when pointed out that does not make him or you guys punjabi and that points stands. As far as tax evasion goes no body can beat you guys hence why after looting our country nawaz sharif wani is sitting in London trying his best to avoid justice.

Now tell me koshur, would people in the valley take millions of refugees from punjab? Treat us equally, let us buy land take over your main party fill it with fellow punjabis and proceed to loot Kashmir? Would we be allowed to call ourselves kashmiri?

If your honesty you know you would see blood on the streets long before that scenario was allowed to play out.

 

[Hiptullha]

Not surprised by your lame attempts to deflect the attention of

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How am I deflecting?? Every time I ask me to give me your definition of assimilation you go into a rant about how you got rejected by some Kashmiri in your Birmingham ghetto! Yes, I will make personal insults because I genuinely believe you are a low IQ tax-evading welfare fraudiya ghetto thug. Get over it! Respond to my arguments properly if you want me to treat you with respect!

jatts are just one of many clans we decend from the came via sindh but were never indigenous to sindh

Yes, that's right! Jatts came from Sindh, but they aren't indigenous to Sindh either, since they originated from outside of South Asia. Thanks for strengthening my case even more here! You're not very intelligent, are you??

It's you who came as refugees the onus is on you to assimilate not the other way round.

I've already made my case on this. You choose to think your personal experience in your ghetto is just as valid as millions of Kashmiris who speak and identify as Punjabis. I can't do anything about this.

as a 3rd generation brit I must be english simply because I was born in england, speak english and are culturally English.

Wait what??? You're a 3rd generation British immigrant??? And you're calling me a non-native who helped destroy and bring fasaad to Pakistan? Just so you know, while your dada was pushing trolleycarts, my dada was fighting for Pakistan in 1971. While you were snorting cocaine in a Birmingham alleyway with other groom gang degenerates, most of my family was in med school to become doctors (all of them practicing in Lahore). JFC a third gen immigrant telling us we don't belong somewhere!!!!

Treat us equally, let us buy land take over your main party fill it with fellow punjabis and proceed to loot Kashmir?

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I don't even live in Kashmir, you deranged groom gang chimp. "Treat us equally". How???

 

[Ladyuk]

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How am I deflecting?? Every time I ask me to give me your definition of assimilation you go into a rant about how you got rejected by some Kashmiri in your Birmingham ghetto! Yes, I will make personal insults because I genuinely believe you are a low IQ tax-evading welfare fraudiya ghetto thug. Get over it! Respond to my arguments properly if you want me to treat you with respect!



Yes, that's right! Jatts came from Sindh, but they aren't indigenous to Sindh either, since they originated from outside of South Asia. Thanks for strengthening my case even more here! You're not very intelligent, are you??



I've already made my case on this. You choose to think your personal experience in your ghetto is just as valid as millions of Kashmiris who speak and identify as Punjabis. I can't do anything about this.



Wait what??? You're a 3rd generation British immigrant??? And you're calling me a non-native who helped destroy and bring fasaad to Pakistan? Just so you know, while your dada was pushing trolleycarts, my dada was fighting for Pakistan in 1971. While you were snorting cocaine in a Birmingham alleyway with other groom gang degenerates, most of my family was in med school to become doctors (all of them practicing in Lahore). JFC a third gen immigrant telling us we don't belong somewhere!!!!



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I don't even live in Kashmir, you deranged groom gang chimp. "Treat us equally". How???

Very predictably doing what most kashmiris muhajirs like you do when light is shone upon your nefarious activities in our land you claim to be Punjabi among yourselves you are always consider yourselves Kashmir when caught doing anything wrong like looting the country the you insist on calling yourselves Punjabi.

As stated many times before being born somewhere does not magically change your DNA I gave my own example just because I'm born in england and speak English dosent make me English anymore than nawaz sharif wani and you kashmiri muhajir by virtue of being born in punjab makes you Punjabi.

As far as your obSession with tax evasion abuse of British welfare as stated before no one does it better than you guys hence after looting pakistan nawaz sharif wani has run off to London to escape justice.

I noticed how conveniently you chose not to answer my point about would kashmiris ever give millions of us punjabis refuge, allow us to buy land take over your main political party fill it with fellow punjabis and proceed to loot Kashmir would we be allowed to call ourselves kashmiri. You didn't answer because you know very well kashmiris would never ever allow none kashmiris to settle in the valley.

As far as my late dad's jaan is concerned he was a hounrable man he was a ex soldier who served his country. When he settled in the UK he always showed love and respect to his adopted country he never abused the natives or pretended to be a Englishman. I come from a long line of soldiers and freedom fighters from both sides of my family we have more than contributed to our land.

Who is Jfc? My user name is lady uk.

 

[ziaulislam]

I hate NS from the depth of my heart, but COAS can't blame NS for all the miseries which people of Pakistan and State of Pakistan is facing , the democratic process manufacturing factory private limited Rawalpindi is equally responsible ,such statements are not selling in general public, do you believe TLP is invented by NS ?

Atleast we do know that TLP and PMLN workers /supporters are the same
TLP is strongest in lahore urban areas