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CIA Supporting Terror Inside Pakistan
Ahmed Quraishi.com

· A CIA helicopter evacuated top TTP leadership into Afghanistan before the start of Pakistani military operation

· Terrorists from TTP enjoy safe havens inside Afghanistan with the help of CIA and RAW

· Satellite mobile phones from a Gulf state were provided to the terrorists of TTP & Swat

· CIA helped RAW establish a base in Afghanistan

· No CIA drones ever attacked any of the TTP & Swat terrorists as they freely called BBC and western media

· Nuristan province in Afghanistan has a base run by CIA, RAW & NDS providing full support to terrorists inside Pakistan

· In 1995, Benazir Bhutto and Ashraf Jahangir Qazi purged 125 ISI officers to appease CIA

The proof about instances of covert US support to some hardened militant outfits and terrorist activities they carried out over the past few weeks and months, was presented to Panetta. It was indeed a startling revelation for the top US spy and a bold maneuver of Pakistan Army. General Pasha's move surprised Panetta as the evidence presented was categorical in proving that the CIA officials provide assistance to perpetrators of some of the most serious and deadly attacks on offices and key persons in Pakistan’s security services. Here are the details of what transpired between ISI’s Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha and CIA’s Leon Panetta.

By Zahid Malik in Pakistan Observer Thursday, 17 December, 2009.

Ahmed Quraishi-Pakistan/Middle East politics, Iraq war, lebanon war, India Pakistan relations

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—After my four hour long informal interaction with US military chief Admiral Mike Mullen and Ambassador Richard Holbrooke at the residence of US Ambassador on the rainy evening of April 6, 2009, I had in my comments mentioned that now the ISI was the immediate target of the US Establishment. This was no “breaking news” as everyone who keeps an eye on the ongoing war on terror knew well that US was hell-bent on:

1. Getting the Pakistan Army sucked into domestic turmoil in Swat, FATA and beyond Waziristan, and

2. Reining in what the US calls “rogue elements” in the ISI

There are confirmed reports that to achieve its objectives the CIA hired the services of at least a dozen Afghan warlords inside Afghanistan and provided through them arms and finances to militants in FATA and Swat to carry out extensive death and destruction by devastating attacks in the country. It was like a double-edged sword not only to get the Army to launch attacks against Taliban on Pakistani side of the border but also to give a message to the ISI that the CIA can use the Pakistanis – Taliban of the TTP- against their own security forces.

It was in this background that after putting up with so much for so long, the prime intelligence agency of the country ultimately confronted the CIA Director Leon E. Panetta with some highly classified and irrefutable evidence. Panetta was startled when Director-General ISI, General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, a no-nonsense General, placed the facts before him in Islamabad on November 20, 2009.

The “deliberate leaks” after the meeting of the spy chiefs of the two countries spoke of the mind of the ISI and the armed forces of Pakistan. General Pasha had earlier conveyed the facts about the interference of CIA in acts of terrorism in Pakistan to the Government but realizing that either the message was not strongly conveyed to the Americans or it had no desired impact on them, finally put its foot down and expressed serious concerns over the CIA's crude interference in the country's internal matters.

The proof about instances of covert US support to some hardened militant outfits and terrorist activities they carried out over the past few weeks and months were presented to Panetta. It was indeed a startling revelation for the top US spy and a bold maneuver of Pakistan Army. General Pasha's move surprised Panetta as the evidence presented was categorical in proving that the CIA officials provide assistance to perpetrators of some of the most serious and deadly attacks on offices and key persons in Pakistan’s security services. He was told that in view of the negative impact on Pakistan’s efforts in its ‘war on terror’ the CIA must stop such activities. The clarity with which the information was meant to be a loud message to Washington and CIA headquarters at Langley that if they wanted Pakistan’s cooperation in the war on terror; it must give up playing a double game. Pakistan has publicly expressed concerns over the freedom enjoyed by the Indian intelligence agency RAW is operating from Afghanistan. RAW is not only involved in acts of terrorism in the NWFP but also in Balochistan. India cannot undertake such wide-scale activities in this region without the approval and backing of the CIA. The question is: how did India develop such a huge presence in Kabul?

What has raised alarm bells in Islamabad is that Maulvi Fazlullah who escaped from Swat is living openly in Afghanistan under the protection of Afghan intelligence. The TTP leaders including Hakeemullah Mehsud have also being protected and allowed to operate from Afghanistan. All this could not happen without the knowledge of Americans.

There are reports that TTP leaders are provided satellite phones operated by a Gulf based Western company and they have been talking freely to BBC and other media organizations without any fear of being detected and targeted by drones or missiles. Then there are also credible reports that a helicopter that flew from Afghanistan before Oct. 17, when operation Rah-e-Nejat in South Waziristan was launched, evacuated the top leadership of the TTP from Waziristan to Afghanistan. The Americans also vacated some of the crucial posts along the border with South Waziristan in an apparent bid to provide safe passage to the fleeing Pakistani Taliban. The terrorists arrested in Pakistan during the operation told their interrogators about their links with the US and Indian agencies. There is credible information that full logistic and auxiliary support is still being provided to anti-Pakistan Taliban from Nuristan Province and several top officials from Afghan and Indian intelligence networks were seen active in the area.

So, it is CIA’s agenda to get the Pak Army and now the Air Force also spend itself in internal security operations and erode the morale and capabilities of ISI so that Pakistan’s nuclear assets could be targeted in one way or the other. The CIA’s new agenda started to be implemented as soon as the present Government took over. On many occasions since, Washington has been publicly blaming ISI for its links with some of the Taliban leaders including the Haqqani group. During the meeting with Prime Minister Gilani in Washington in August 2008, Director CIA presented him with a charge sheet against Pakistani intelligence agencies for their alleged involvement in Jihadi activities. In order to justify its intended interference in Balochistan, the CIA also raised the bogey of the presence of Taliban Shura in or around Quetta.

PPP’s History of Undermining ISI

The whole scenario became very grim as the Government appeared to have succumbed to American pressure to cut the ISI to size and make it a carpet lion. It was in this backdrop that a notification was issued in mysterious circumstances placing the ISI under the Interior Ministry; the notification was withdrawn the same day when the move backfired. It is no coincidence that during the two stints of Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister, a perception developed that the PPP undermined the effectiveness of the ISI. That perception was also based on facts. On the instructions of the BB Government, Lt. Gen. Javed Ashraf Qazi, the then DG ISI, purged 125 officers of the Agency [from the ranks of Major General to Colonel] who were identified to be “rogue elements” by the CIA. Now there is a strong perception that the present leadership is not presenting the interests and concerns of the state of Pakistan to its ‘Americans friends’ and is just raising issues in a casual manner. Perhaps that was the reason that the Army leadership had to make unusual public remarks in a press release, issued by the ISPR after the Corps Commanders meeting in October 2009, expressing serious concern over the Kerry-Lugar Bill saying that certain of its clauses were intrusive and against the national interests and were thus unacceptable. The Presidential spokesman Farhatullah Babar snubbed the Pakistan Army accusing it of ‘crossing the line’ bringing the differences into the open setting a new precedent and further undermining the state of Pakistan.

The crude interference by the CIA in Pakistan’s internal affairs has not gone well with the Establishment and infuriated the Pakistan Army. If the Americans did not stop its activities to help the Pakistani Taliban against the Army, cooperation with the US in the war in Afghanistan would come to an abrupt end. I am quite sure that if the Army says NO the whole nation will back it. It was owing to this reason that COAS General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, while talking to newsmen on the occasion of rolling out of first JF-17 Thunder Aircraft at Kamra on November 24, declared that the US would have to take Pakistan into confidence and taking into consideration the armed forces know-how to defend the country.

This report was first published by Pakistan Observer on Dec. 7, 2009.

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Could be true, what are they planning to achieve? RAW is finaly getting credits for thing they have not done.
 
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Just once I would like AQ to objectively right about the role of army / ISI in the present state of Pakistan today, either due to the coups under Zia or more recently the policies of Musharraf.

But no he and his group never does. Wonder why...
 
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Just once I would like AQ to objectively right about the role of army / ISI in the present state of Pakistan today, either due to the coups under Zia or more recently the policies of Musharraf.

But no he and his group never does. Wonder why...

The role of the Army in Pakistan under Gen. Kiyani appears to one where the Army is limiting itself to its national defence role. The current Army leadership may not have the same opinion about certain policies that the President has, and in some instances it appears it has conveyed that to him (and Zardari appears to have taken that disagreement into account), but conveying disagreement is not necessarily equivalent to usurping government authority.

I think in general many Pakistani commentators have been full of praise of the Army's role under Kiyani, with only some conspiracy theorists (and historically military bashers) suggesting that the outrage against Zardari in the media is 'manufactured by the agencies'.

On the article itself, I am not sure I would go so far as to suggest the CIA is running covert ops in support of terrorists in Pakistan. They likely are running covert ops, but probably for intelligence on Taliban/AQ HVT's and the Pakistani WMD program.
 
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@AM

I'm not saying about what army is doing right now, obviously they are involved in a major military operation. But what resulted in this state in the first place? Shouldn't the ISI have kept tabs on what was happening in FATA when extremists from the arab world as well as central asia were gathering in FATA? When the nazis and maliks who opposed foreigners in their areas were being killed and assainated and slowly and surely the "Islamic" emirate of waziristan was established. HAmid Mir himself was talking about it in 2006-2007 under Musharraf, but AQ and company have no criticism of ISI/PA around this time.

In this articel itself, the blame is being put on the civilian govt. for "allowing" CIA to function here. But isn't it a fact that it was under the military rule of Ayyub Khan that CIA and the American military first established the foot hold in PAkistan? Was it not under Musharraf that the Shamsai and Jacobabad airbases were handed of to American control from were the allegedly fly drones. Similarly, isn't it about time to accept and analyse the blowback affect of supporting extremist groups in the name of Islam for political purposes is anything but Islamic?

I'm not saying criticize the army/ISI for the sake of it, but when there are genuine mistakes made, they should be brought forth.

Even on the Indian side there is a shortage of critically analyzing this to some extent. For example after the Kargil episode, although there was an inquiry and officers named for gross negligence, there was hardly any action taken except for moving a few officials around while the report itself was suppressed for "national security" reasons.
 
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Zaid Hamid and his gang makes incredible claims without providing any proof, which is why they are fast losing credibility.

· A CIA helicopter evacuated top TTP leadership into Afghanistan before the start of Pakistani military operation

· Terrorists from TTP enjoy safe havens inside Afghanistan with the help of CIA and RAW

· Satellite mobile phones from a Gulf state were provided to the terrorists of TTP & Swat

· CIA helped RAW establish a base in Afghanistan

· No CIA drones ever attacked any of the TTP & Swat terrorists as they freely called BBC and western media

· Nuristan province in Afghanistan has a base run by CIA, RAW & NDS providing full support to terrorists inside Pakistan

· In 1995, Benazir Bhutto and Ashraf Jahangir Qazi purged 125 ISI officers to appease CIA

These are nothing short of acts of war being committed if true. Should not be mentioned lightly without providing some sort of evidence to back it up and Zaid Hamid said so doesn't count.
 
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after any blast when TTP or Al-Qaieda informed that they did that job our people start bla ablaa blaa military operation ABCD EFGH (BECAUSE WE TRUST ON THERE RESPONSIBLITY OF ATTACK).

and when after any blast TTP or Al-Qaieda claimed that the job did by CIA Blackwater or RAW we ddnt did that job thn our people say "Liar" (WHERE IS TRUST ????) hahah thats what today our mentality!!! thinking approuch.
 
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Hoaay Tum Dost Jiskay , Us Ka Dushman Aasman Keyoun Hay (USA)
USA Is evil.
 
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@AM But what resulted in this state in the first place? Shouldn't the ISI have kept tabs on what was happening in FATA when extremists from the arab world as well as central asia were gathering in FATA?

Afghanistan Pakistan have a porous border. Meaning Kunar-Bajaur have literally no divide, Khost-South Waziristan have no divide between them, Paktia-Khyber Agency have no divide between them. This is where there is most of the cross-border infiltration coming into Pakistan from Afghanistan. There are 1000 checkposts on the Pakistani side, & only 100 on the Afghan side to stop cross-border infiltration.

Pakistani Law doesn't apply to the FATA regions, Pashtunwali does. Some of the tribal Pashtuns have aided the Taliban in the past, & provided shelter for them. It is one of the key tenets of Pashtunwali: "hospitality", and that means to the extent of giving up your own life to protect your guest. After 2001, the Afghan Taliban took refuge in the FATA regions & were protected by Pashtunwali, & eventually established their grip over the FATA regions & started killing tribals. This is the truth my friend. Pakistani Army or intelligence was not even involved (even once) in the FATA regions prior to 2001.

When the nazis and maliks who opposed foreigners in their areas were being killed and assainated and slowly and surely the "Islamic" emirate of waziristan was established.

Link from a reliable source?

Similarly, isn't it about time to accept and analyse the blowback affect of supporting extremist groups in the name of Islam for political purposes is anything but Islamic?

Don't know where you came to this conclusion. Every high ranking official has said Pakistan needs to do more to eradicate extremist groups, none of them has publicly said "Pakistan supports the Taliban." No one has brought any credible evidence that implicates the ISI. So please, stop it with the conspiracy theories.

Let me tell you something. Stop analyzing things from the perspective that Pakistan is responsible for everything. You will get a very skewed image then. Also, there is no one such thing as the Taliban. There are many factions inside the Taliban. Many different groups operate in different tribal regions, they are rivals to one another, & they are more 'tribally based' than ideologically religious in some way, if you know what I mean.

You really have to understand Pashtun culture & Pashtun tribes if you want to understand everything that's going on in the FATA regions and the WOT. I'll give you a bit of a summary here about some of these groups you might not have heard of:

Bajaur: Tehrik Nifaze Shariate Mohammadi (AQ faction), Jaish-e-Islami (JI), Hizb-e-Islami Gulbideen

North Waziristan: Hafiz Gul Bahadur group (TTP affiliated), Haqqani group

South Waziristan: Mullah Nazir group, TTP Mehsud faction, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (AQ faction),

Mohmand Agency: Ahle-Hadith (Salafi group affiliated with AQ), TTP Umar Khalid faction

Orakzai Agency: TTP Aslam Farooqi faction, LeJ, Commander Tariq Group, TTP Mehsud faction

Kurrum Agency: Maulvi Noor Jamal group,

Khyber Agency: Lashkr-e-Islam (lead by Mangal Bagh), Hajji Namdar group,

These are only some of the groups. However, even the different factions of the TTP are rivals of each other, & the groups that have their strongholds in the same tribal agency are all in competition of each other. If you want further details on how Afghanistan was responsible for the formation of these different groups, I'd be more than happy to answer that to you in great detail.
 
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Hoaay Tum Dost Jiskay , Us Ka Dushman Aasman Keyoun Hay (USA)
USA Is evil.

now u understand it???? why didn't you said same thing when your generals were getting dollars from uncle SAM??? or your country was getting state of art weapon from USA???

Just Matlab ke yaar????

@topic: its another conspiracy theory.. I will challenge Pakistani to substantiate the allegation and provide the solid proof for what is posted here.... Personal view of so called defense analysts doesn't count...
 
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I see Indians making fun of the article. Let me remind them what the ex CIA director in Pakistan wrote right after the flooding in Pakistan. That pretty much is from the mouth of the CIA leadership and openly says that it does wrong things in Pakistan against Pakistani. So, please do not compare everything with Hindustani Times.
 
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