CIA and ISI together created Taliban: Zardari

[gambit]

That the game! US did n t want Osama bin Laden. Whole afghan war was rage because of Osama but US never use their special forces to capture Osama. Because their real objective to have military bases on Asia to spy on Pakistan and china.

Really? Then why did the US tried to negotiate with the Taliban several years BEFORE the attack on US on 9/11 ?

Bin Laden allegedly planned to kill Clinton | World news | The Guardian

Meanwhile efforts by the US to negotiate with the Taliban, the Islamic regime that controls most of Afghanistan, to hand over Mr Bin Laden in return for diplomatic recognition or aid have been rebuffed.

Notice the date of this article, Aug 1998, and that it is a non-US source.

And then there is this allegation...

The Real News Network - Pak army protected bin Laden and Taliban

So at that time General Mahmud is a very known chief of ISI [Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence.] So what Pakistan did was Pakistan did take some time from the United States before Kabul was attacked or before the United States started their attack and sent a very strong delegation under the leadership of General Mahmud to talk with Mullah Omar if he is ready to hand over bin Laden. Mullah Omar did not agree. And this delegation ended up with a complete failure. This is the official side of it. But insider stories tell us that the head of delegation who went b]there as a Pakistani official to convince Mullah Omar rather strengthen him not to do, not to hand over bin Laden,[/b] this is what we are told, as some precise information with very credible sources, that what happened in Kabul, that this delegation, at least General Mahmud, went to Kabul, where they had a meeting in the Intercontinental in which one guy who was there, not in an official capacity, tells me that after all negotiation, then at the last moment, at the last point, someone asked to Mahmud, "What is the solution?" He said—it is about bin Laden—"At least he is a Muslim."

The charge here is that the US could have used satellites to locate Osama bin Laden because we supposed to have done it before. Now either people back up this charge with credible TECHNICAL sources or admit that they do not know what they are talking about.

 

[pakomar]

Really? Then why did the US tried to negotiate with the Taliban several years BEFORE the attack on US on 9/11 ?

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to show the world US side of bullshit .

 

[gambit]

to show the world US side of bullshit .

We can see that logic is not your strong suit.

The reality is that in international relations, EVERYONE is, at any time, either a pimp or a prostitute or a customer. The nearer the threat to national security, the greater the willingness to get off one's high moral horse and get into dirty politics.

Pakistan and India were hostile and India was a Soviet ally. A Soviet control Afghanistan would leave Pakistanis with only the seas at their backs, an unacceptable strategic situation for any leader. An unstable Afghanistan works to most people's benefits, Afghanistan and Afghanis had to suffer other people's machinations, of course. Pakistan took the lead with the corporate training of the Afghan resistance. The rest of the ME provided the motivation, the manpower and the funds. The US and Western allies provided the materials, meaning weapons. No one is singularly to blame for the consequence -- The Taliban -- but EVERYONE bears the collective guilt. It is about you leave the sandbox playground and into the real world. Grow up. Your Pakistan is not innocent.

The US had Special Forces and the CIA working together to overthrow the Taliban, correctly the first priority as they are the ruling authority figure in Afghanistan. You can criticize US for incompetence in trying to capture Osama bin Laden but it is blatantly childish and ignorant in the charge that our super-duper satellites could have identify one man among a crowd as Mr. X or Mrs. Y.

 

[apostate]

We can see that logic is not your strong suit.

The reality is that in international relations, EVERYONE is, at any time, either a pimp or a prostitute or a customer. The nearer the threat to national security, the greater the willingness to get off one's high moral horse and get into dirty politics.

Pakistan and India were hostile and India was a Soviet ally. A Soviet control Afghanistan would leave Pakistanis with only the seas at their backs, an acceptable strategic situation for any leader. An unstable Afghanistan works to most people's benefits, Afghanistan and Afghanis had to suffer other people's machinations, of course. Pakistan took the lead with the corporate training of the Afghan resistance. The rest of the ME provided the motivation, the manpower and the funds. The US and Western allies provided the materials, meaning weapons. No one is singularly to blame for the consequence -- The Taliban -- but EVERYONE bears the collective guilt. It is about you leave the sandbox playground and into the real world. Grow up. Your Pakistan is not innocent.

The US had Special Forces and the CIA working together to overthrow the Taliban, correctly the first priority as they are the ruling authority figure in Afghanistan. You can criticize US for incompetence in trying to capture Osama bin Laden but it is blatantly childish and ignorant in the charge that our super-duper satellites could have identify one man among a crowd as Mr. X or Mrs. Y.

India was forced to sign a treaty with Soviets in wake of US backing Pakistan with USS Enterprise (nuclear threat). You must remember Non-Alignment movement.

US funded Taliban for Soviet collapse but after that ISI and Pakistan's Government started nurturing Taliban till this day.

 

[Bill Longley]

India was forced to sign a treaty with Soviets in wake of US backing Pakistan with USS Enterprise (nuclear threat). You must remember Non-Alignment movement.

US funded Taliban for Soviet collapse but after that ISI and Pakistan's Government started nurturing Taliban till this day.

boy we lost 2200 best trained troops[excludeing FC and police] where as US and NATO only lost 1140

think before you talk

 

[pakomar]

boy we lost 2200 best trained troops[excludeing FC and police] where as US and NATO only lost 1140

think before you talk

You got that right US and NATO invaded Afghanistan in 2001 and just lost 1100 less troops on the other hand Pakistan army send its troops in tribal belt in 2004 and our martyred more than 2200 and still more soldiers and officers are martyred in swat operation .

This all can be prevented of the foreign fighter from Uzbekistan Tajikistan and Afghanistan can be stopped by US forces in Afghanistan border.

 

[apostate]

boy we lost 2200 best trained troops[excludeing FC and police] where as US and NATO only lost 1140

think before you talk

Ok unkil. Playing with fire is risky.