CIA and ISI together created Taliban: Zardari

[pakomar]

to S-2
My question is than if US goal is to give stingers as a military aid to afghan people. Why the double policy also give military aid to Palestine people too. After all in Afghanistan Russia war afghans were underdog same in the case of Palestine.
Well Americans are good at changing statements. Cause of afghan war to remove Russia presence. Same people fights against Russia are same people fighting US force. There causes are same for freedom.

 

[gambit]

CIA landed in afghanistan recruited trained provided weapons on soil of afghanistan as well en route from Pakistan.. gave them manual and tactics of warfare against soviets and ditched them after Soviet-Afghan War but still kept its interest when war was over..Pakistan blunder it should never have supported jihadis in first place on behalf of US or after Afghan War Pakistan should have completely withdrew her interest in looking in this post war era..and should have in first place completely opt for silence as if nothing has happened..but it backfired both on US/Pakistan..simple what happened after post Soviet Afghan war we all know it..yeah CIA is innocent even Italians say thatsame goes for US myth about Pakistan created will remain myth S-2 when you apply maybe ur not sure as well so lets find out who provided funds without proof u can't blame Pakistan, saudis or UAE for funds and vice versa..Hand over the proof.. US for sure others nah..

Once again u guys landed in afghanistan funded trained armed the talibans as named by US for whatever reasons and sent them into Pakistan with a good pay scale..again you didn't knew the psyche of the monsters u created backfired..enjoy over in on afghan side while we are certainly enjoying wiping out ur monsters in Pakistan.

If Pakistan felt there was no threat then nothing the US could have said or done to compel Pakistan to get involved in Afghanistan. But as I have pointed out the strategic problem Pakistan faced, a situation that apparently you did not understand, that problem was serious enough that an alliance with the US and other ME countries was practically necessary. The US did not named the Afghan resistance 'The Taliban'. Do some basic research and read some real books for a change.

 

[pakomar]

If Pakistan felt there was no threat then nothing the US could have said or done to compel Pakistan to get involved in Afghanistan. But as I have pointed out the strategic problem Pakistan faced, a situation that apparently you did not understand, that problem was serious enough that an alliance with the US and other ME countries was practically necessary. The US did not named the Afghan resistance 'The Taliban'. Do some basic research and read some real books for a change.

I think you have to do some basic research swat people were called Taliban’s by US not by Pakistanis.

 

[Zob]

the US doesn't know the diffrence between TALIBAN and AL QAEDA.....we rarely hear the US say our true enemy is AL QAEDA...!! they thing AL QAEDA & TALIBAN are one and the samething

 

[S-2]

Get a grip. Anybody that matters knows the difference between Al Qaeda and the taliban. Nonetheless, don't peddle some tripe about the taliban as some national resistance movement.

They're not. While not ideologues, let there be little doubt that they'll impose their very imperfect, mal-formed vision of Islam on any afflicted people in their grasp. Afghanistan, the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan, Bajaur, SWAT, and Buner are plenty of proof of what to expect.

The net result is you'll be splitting hairs as to whom you hate more if governed by either. Just ask the Sunnis in Iraq about Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia's gentle loving hand.

Azzholes either way. That much is common between them.

 

[gambit]

I think you have to do some basic research swat people were called Taliban’s by US not by Pakistanis.

No...It is YOU who need to do some research. Who we conveniently call 'The Taliban' today does not mean it was the same label we had in mind twenty years ago.

the US doesn't know the diffrence between TALIBAN and AL QAEDA.....we rarely hear the US say our true enemy is AL QAEDA...!! they thing AL QAEDA & TALIBAN are one and the samething

Incorrect. There are plenty of news sources that made such distinction, even under the Clinton administration when the US was trying to deal directly with the Taliban's leader, Mullah Omar, to cease support for Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, and to expel them from Afghanistan. The US did nothing against 'The Taliban' even after al-Qaeda planned the first attack on the WTC with a truck bomb in 1993. The Taliban continued to make Afghanistan al-Qaeda's recruiting center and training ground. After 9-11, the gloves came off.

 

[Zob]

S-2 & GAMBIT....i am talking about the common US citizen all he knows is that currently the US is fighting "TALIBAN resurgence" in AFGHANISTAN and TALIBAN are getting help from across the border and not AL QAEDA but TALIBAN can seize over pakistan NUKES.....TALIBAN are moving to AFRICA

an ordinary common US citizen who just watches the headlines knows alot more about TALIBAN then AL QAEDA.... all he watches is the headlines and in the headlines all you got is PAKISTAN,TALIBAN,AFGHANISTAN,NUKES

 

[S-2]

Not the average American's job. We've had congressmen who didn't know the difference between shia and sunni. Now THAT is a problem but is becoming less so.

We ask a lot of our leaders and representatives and it's imperfectly handled. So too with our experts. There's no perfect repository of knowledge and skill.

We're doin' the best we can.

 

[pakomar]

Get a grip. Anybody that matters knows the difference between Al Qaeda and the taliban. Nonetheless, don't peddle some tripe about the taliban as some national resistance movement.

They're not. While not ideologues, let there be little doubt that they'll impose their very imperfect, mal-formed vision of Islam on any afflicted people in their grasp. Afghanistan, the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan, Bajaur, SWAT, and Buner are plenty of proof of what to expect.

The net result is you'll be splitting hairs as to whom you hate more if governed by either. Just ask the Sunnis in Iraq about Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia's gentle loving hand.

Azzholes either way. That much is common between them.

There is a difference between Taliban and al qaeda. Talib means student and Taliban means students. These Taliban are student of Quean. They were fighting Russia like any students do if his country is under attack like they are fighting now against NATO Only to for freedom. On the other hand al qaeda were American funded pets who turn against US.

 

[S-2]

"These Taliban are student of Quean. They were fighting Russia like any students do if his country is under attack like they are fighting now against NATO Only to for freedom."

No. These taliban were students who rose forth from Kandahar in 1994 in an indigenous and spontaneous uprising led by a former mujahideen fighter, Mullah Omar. Their successes led to B. Bhutto and the ISI dumping Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and throwing in with the taliban who captured Kabul in 1996.

"On the other hand al qaeda were American funded pets who turn against US."

Prove it. OBL HATED the Americans and had all the money he needed. Money was OBL's calling-card to the taliban and, before that, the mujahideen.

"American funded" indeed.

You need to hit the books and lay off the conspiracy juice.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Ah; it aint conspiracy man; i wouldnt be surprised if Osama bin laden was found in a studio in los angeles...
you can pinpoint any person in the world and take him to guantanamo bay; but cannot use your satellites to find this guy...? pleaaaase... take some blame for the **** the world is in right now because of the american govt's policies; instead of the "Pakistan!Pakistan!terrorists!terrorists!" slogans we hear everyday...

 

[TruthSeeker]

Ah; it is a conspiracy man; i wouldnt be surprised if baitullah mehsud was found in a studio in karachi...
pleaaaase... take some blame for the **** the world is in right now because of the pakistani govt's policies; instead of the "USA! CIA ! imperialists!crusaders!" slogans we hear everyday...

 

[pakomar]

"These Taliban are student of Quean. They were fighting Russia like any students do if his country is under attack like they are fighting now against NATO Only to for freedom."

No. These taliban were students who rose forth from Kandahar in 1994 in an indigenous and spontaneous uprising led by a former mujahideen fighter, Mullah Omar. Their successes led to B. Bhutto and the ISI dumping Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and throwing in with the taliban who captured Kabul in 1996.

"On the other hand al qaeda were American funded pets who turn against US."

Prove it. OBL HATED the Americans and had all the money he needed. Money was OBL's calling-card to the taliban and, before that, the mujahideen.

"American funded" indeed.

You need to hit the books and lay off the conspiracy juice.

But the mess was created by US .and in this mess US is dragging everyone. I do n t know what book are you reading but when freedom fighter of Iraq become QL QEADA and for one man only US rage a war with Iraq and Afghanistan so I came to realize that everything I heard from US is nonsense.

 

[gambit]

Ah; it aint conspiracy man; i wouldnt be surprised if Osama bin laden was found in a studio in los angeles...
you can pinpoint any person in the world and take him to guantanamo bay; but cannot use your satellites to find this guy...? pleaaaase... take some blame for the **** the world is in right now because of the american govt's policies; instead of the "Pakistan!Pakistan!terrorists!terrorists!" slogans we hear everyday...

Can you show the forum just one instance where we know the location of a person, track him with satellite and capture him? If our satellites are that good, we would have grab Osama bin Laden before 9/11.

 

[pakomar]

Can you show the forum just one instance where we know the location of a person, track him with satellite and capture him? If our satellites are that good, we would have grab Osama bin Laden before 9/11.

That the game! US did n t want Osama bin Laden. Whole afghan war was rage because of Osama but US never use their special forces to capture Osama. Because their real objective to have military bases on Asia to spy on Pakistan and china.