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Choosing sovereignty over servitude —C. Christine Fair

Thats a giant stretch of imagination.

US never gave US support for WMD or missile tech like Chinese contribution to Pakistan in same field.It has no plan to do something similar in future.

On the contrary we still face US pressure to sign the NPT inspite of the civilian nuclear bill .US is only doing business with us for $$$ .


Civil nuclear deal, support for permanent chair in UNSC, consistently labelling India as regional power despite of the fact that China is much much bigger in terms of economic and military power. etc etc. They are using you to counter china in this region. This is no imagination sir.
 
Civil nuclear deal, support for permanent chair in UNSC, consistently labelling India as regional power despite of the fact that China is much much bigger in terms of economic and military power. etc etc. They are using you to counter china in this region. This is no imagination sir.

To act as a counter weight to china... ,yes , but I don't think US wants to see a war between india and China , both the places where they have Billions of $ of US investment.

On the hand, if there was war between India and Pakistan tomorrow, there would be secret celebrations in Beijing.

What else is better than an weak and crippled post war India to complete Chinese hegemony in Asia ??
 
To act as a counter weight to china... ,yes , but I don't think US wants to see a war between india and China , both the places where they have Billions of $ of US investment.

On the hand, if there is war between India and Pakistan tomorrow, there would be secret celebrations in Beijing.

If better than weak and crippled post war India to complete Chinese hegemony in Asia .

Never in my life I have heard or seen a Chinese supporting a war between India and Pakistan. Its simply not in their interest as the war is an ugly business and more so when both the countries are nuclear capable. Yes they might want to keep India busy but they surely not want to escalate a war between two countries IMHO.
 
What has China done for Pakistan? It did not help Pakistan in any of its wars with India in 1965, 1971 or the Kargil crisis of 1999, when it took the same line as the US and even India.


1965: Pakistan never had the best of relations with China during 1965, Ayub was acting as a good servant of the USA and did not want to upset relations with them and even offered to severe ties with China for the US.

1971: China was staring at the mean, battle hardened and nuclear armed Soviet 58th Army in the eyes. The Soviets wanted to teach the Chinese a lesson and during 1971 the chances of a Soviet assault on China was very real, so you cannot blame the Chinese for being preoccupied with their own problems.

Kargil: It was never a full blown war and was just a skirmish, for quite sometime the PA refused to recognize that its regulars were fighting in Kashmir.

It did little to help Pakistan in the 2001-2002 crisis with India and it even voted in the UN Security Council to declare Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) a terrorist organisation in 2009 in the wake of the Mumbai terror outrage.

During the stand off against India during 2001-2002, China immediately supplied Pakistan with F7's. I am surprised how the author left this part out since Pakistan's Air Power was severely handicapped and these Point Defence Fighters were essential for our Air Defence.

She forgot to mention that after the 2008 Mumbai Attacks, the Chinese Ambassador asked our COAS to give him a list of weapons that Pakistan immediately needs from China. C803, C602 Anti Ship Missiles and lots other lethal weapons were delivered to Pakistan on emergency basis.
 
Communist PRC (China) is such a great friend of Pakistan .

Wait a minute,why china hasn't shown similar special friendship with any other country in the neighborhood or else where around the world ??

It may be its because china wants to fight India to the last Pakistani blood. And thats far more dangerous than the selfishness of America.

Chinese motivations are not my concern as a Pakistani - what is my concern, and what does determine my attitude towards them, is how they have assisted Pakistan, and on that count there is plenty they have done.

Similarly, the US may claim to have 'the noblest of intentions and motivations' towards Pakistan, but the fact that in terms of tangible efforts they lag far behind the 'special friendship of China', means that there is little to show for their 'noble intentions' and therefore a far dimmer view of the US compared to China.
 
Yes US has done that in the past and more, is still doing it now.
What mega infrastructure projects is the US funding currently, or has funded recently?
This one area where US remains uncomfortable with Pakistan's nuclear status(Nuclear weapons state-non signatory of NPT), as they themselves are potential target of Pakistan's nuclear tech if gone awry...while China enjoys no such misfortune.
Civilian nuclear technology would be under IAEA oversight, so cooperation in this sector would not impact the development of Pakistani WMD's, which is expanding at a rapid pace on its own accord regardless. And when it comes to the US becoming a target of Pakistani nukes, that would only be the case if the US attacked Pakistan, so the blame would lie on the US in that case. Also, Pakistan already has nukes, it is the delivery systems that are capable of reaching the US that would be the biggest concern for her. So these are flawed arguments.

In any case, one can come up with any number of excuses to justify a discriminatory policy towards another nation, but the basic fact is that China has cooperated with Pakistan on nuclear technology and assisted it in setting up NPP's to produce electricity, whereas the US has actively sought to undermine Pakistan's nuclear program, and chosen to deny Pakistan even civilian nuclear technology, while offering discriminatory and arbitrary waivers to another NPT non-signatory.

While China provides weapons on easy loans, many of weapons US provides to Pakistan are absolutely free of Cost (American tax payers pay for Pakistani)
Similarly most weapons US has provided Pakistan are state of the art, come of which no other seller can provide.Obviously most of these weapons provided are used by US themselves.
The US has only offered to cover the cost of military equipment that the US is retiring (such as the frigates, Cobra's etc.) and the upgrade cost is borne by Pakistan, or in some cases covered by the US when it relates to War on Terror operations. So if anything, Christine Fair's 'sub-par equipment' accusation applies far better in the case of the US than China.
Do you think Chinese, have no vested interests in Pakistan, provides you weapons because of the goodness of their hearts ?
The point being that China offers a lot more to Pakistan for pursuing their 'vested interests' than does the US.
 
What mega infrastructure projects is the US funding currently, or has funded recently?


http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PNACW090.pdf

http://www.ustda.gov/news/pressreleases/2010/SouthAsia/Pakistan/PakistanEnergyFactSheet_071910.pdf

U.S. Launches First Wind Power Partnership with Pakistan (11/14/2010) - U.S. Embassy Islamabad, Pakistan

U.S. Helps Local Communities Rebuild Schools In Harighel And Arja (12/03/2010) - U.S. Embassy Islamabad, Pakistan

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

ReliefWeb » Document » Pakistan: U.S.-Funded Peshawar Ring Road Construction Advances

and many more..


Civilian nuclear technology would be under IAEA oversight, so cooperation in this sector would not impact the development of Pakistani WMD's, which is expanding at a rapid pace on its own accord regardless.



And when it comes to the US becoming a target of Pakistani nukes, that would only be the case if the US attacked Pakistan, so the blame would lie on the US in that case. Also, Pakistan already has nukes, it is the delivery systems that are capable of reaching the US that would be the biggest concern for her. So these are flawed arguments.



In any case, one can come up with any number of excuses to justify a discriminatory policy towards another nation, but the basic fact is that China has cooperated with Pakistan on nuclear technology and assisted it in setting up NPP's to produce electricity, whereas the US has actively sought to undermine Pakistan's nuclear program, and chosen to deny Pakistan even civilian nuclear technology, while offering discriminatory and arbitrary waivers to another NPT non-signatory.


The fact is, US is simply not comfortable in providing Pakistan with high tech nuclear technology, as Pakistan remains one of the worst nuclear proliferator in history.

Infact US is already become target of Pakistani nuclear tech.. ie Nuclear Tech, which it clandestinely supplied to Iran, North Korea(Two of the biggest US adversaries), Libya.

US does not feel the need to reward such kind of behavior on Pakistan's behalf and unfortunately plausible deniability (on Pakistan's leaders behalf) does not work in these cases.

For argument sake lets see, how many nuclear deal would China be signing with Pakistan..had Pakistan supplied this nuclear tech to Taiwan instead of North Korea??

The US has only offered to cover the cost of military equipment that the US is retiring (such as the frigates, Cobra's etc.) and the upgrade cost is borne by Pakistan, or in some cases covered by the US when it relates to War on Terror operations. So if anything, Christine Fair's 'sub-par equipment' accusation applies far better in the case of the US than China.


US has a fixed yearly direct military aid budget for Pakistan(ie Foreign Military Financing)..how Pakistani armed forces want use it is upto them ..If Pakistani armed forces wan't to spend new equipment ..they can.

This FMF(400 Million) is in addition to CSF (750 Million), Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund(700 Million), International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement (includes border security)..All totaling to about $1.6 Billion(in 2010) ..now compare that to what China has provided you last year.

The point being that China offers a lot more to Pakistan for pursuing their 'vested interests' than does the US.

You feel that because as of now Chinese and Pakistani strategic interests align..where as US and Pakistani don't but US and Pakistan too passed a similar phase in 1980s
 
You feel that because as of now Chinese and Pakistani strategic interests align..where as US and Pakistani don't but US and Pakistan too passed a similar phase in 1980s

China and the USA were once close partners as well during the 1970's, in order to bring down the Soviet Union.

American geopolitical interests are fickle, look at how they once supported Saddam Hussein against Iran, and how they once supported the Afghanistan insurgency against the Soviets. Today, it is the exact opposite situation, where they are now fighting against the very same groups that they once supported.
 
To act as a counter weight to china... ,yes , but I don't think US wants to see a war between india and China , both the places where they have Billions of $ of US investment.

On the hand, if there was war between India and Pakistan tomorrow, there would be secret celebrations in Beijing.

What else is better than an weak and crippled post war India to complete Chinese hegemony in Asia ??

Neither would China like to see a war between Pakistan and India, but the sad truth for the weak side of the balance is that she has to be armed to prevent any possible war from her stronger neighbor.
 
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

What has China done for Pakistan? It did not help Pakistan in any of its wars with India in 1965, 1971 or the Kargil crisis of 1999, when it took the same line as the US and even India. It did little to help Pakistan in the 2001-2002 crisis with India and it even voted in the UN Security Council to declare Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) a terrorist organisation in 2009 in the wake of the Mumbai terror outrage.

The roads and ports and other infrastructure that the Chinese are building in Pakistan principally benefit China. Pakistanis are an afterthought. The Chinese obtain contracts on favourable and profitable investment terms, use their own employees, and contribute little to the local economy ultimately to build projects that facilitate the movement and sales of cheap (but also dangerous and poorly crafted) Chinese goods and products into and through Pakistan.


It is a sad fact that China uses Pakistan for its foreign policy aims as well. It provides Pakistan nuclear assistance and large amounts of military assistance to purchase subpar military platforms in hopes of sustaining Pakistan’s anti-status quo policy towards India. By encouraging Pakistani adventurism towards India, Beijing hopes that India’s massive defence modernisation and status of forces remain focused upon Pakistan — not China. China wants to sustain the animosity between India and Pakistan but it certainly does not want an actual conflict to ensue as it would then be forced to show its hand again — by not supporting Pakistan in such a conflict.


What about Saudi Arabia? The increasingly broke US citizen provided more assistance to Pakistan’s flood victims than Pakistan’s Islamic, oil tycoon brethren in Saudi Arabia. While the US government has not figured out how to give aid in a way that minimises corruption and maximises benefit, Pakistanis should note that at least the US tries to do so in contrast to Saudi Arabia, which simply abdicates.

Saudi Arabia does fund madrassas, albeit of a highly sectarian variety. Yet, Pakistan does not need more madrassas. In fact, the educational market shows that Pakistani interest in madrassa education is stagnant while interest in private schooling is expanding. Unfortunately, those madrassas and Islamic institutions that Saudi Arabia does support have contributed to a bloody sectarian divide in Pakistan that has killed far more innocent Pakistanis than the inaccurately reviled US drone programme a thousand times over.

In short, Saudi Arabia too uses Pakistan to isolate Shia Iran and to promote the dominance of Wahabiism over other Sunni maslaks (sub-sects) and over all Shia maslaks. Pakistan has paid a bloody price for the Saudis’ assistance.


There is no such thing as “friends” in international relations. Any country will help Pakistan because it expects that doing so will advance its interests, not necessarily those of Pakistan and its citizenry. Pakistan will never be free of the “nok” of donors until it raises its own revenue from its own domestic resources.

There is another important reason why all Pakistanis should pay local and federal taxes according to their means: it is the bond that ties the governed to the government. When the state extracts taxes from its citizenry, the citizens demand services in return. When the government fails to perform at either local or federal levels, the citizens have the opportunity to vote the miscreants out of office. The incoming elected officials learn, over the course of several electoral cycles, to be responsive to the voters, not dismissive of the same. Within constitutional democracies, payment of taxes is the most important mechanism by which citizens exert control over their government.

If Pakistanis genuinely want to toss off the yoke of financial servitude and gain a genuine stake in their government, they should stop howling at the US government. Instead, the street power mobilised to support a flawed law and a murderer should be redirected to policy issues that are critical to the state’s survival. And rest assured, financial sovereignty is one such issue.

The writer is an assistant professor at Georgetown University, Peace and Security Studies Programme. She can be reached by Christinefair.net


If China and Saudi Arabia are not Pakistan's friends. Then who are Pakistan's friend? India, Israel, and U.S.? :lol:

When US placed sanctions on Pakistan in the 90's, it was Pakistan's friends China, Saudi Arabia, and the hard working Pakistanis who kept Pakistan's economy alive.

And how has America been a great friend to Pakistan. U.S. placed sanctions on Pakistan for almost a decade, U.S. continues to kill our people in Pakistani territory with drones, and U.S. brings criminals like Raymond Davis to roam around Pakistan and kill Pakistanis. Yea, atleast China and Saudi Arabia haven't done that to Pakistan.

I think Pakistanis now know who are their real friends and their real enemies.
 
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan


What does it mean for a state to be sovereign? Apart from exercising monopoly of force and writ of law more or less homogenously over the state territory, one of the most important elements of state sovereignty is the ability to pay its own bills. While Pakistan is making strides in the former, it has made no progress in the latter

Pakistanis are outraged by US Ambassador Munter’s reported assertion that the US government is entitled to influence Pakistan’s internal affairs in exchange for US assistance. The US is Pakistan’s largest source of economic support either directly or through international financial institutions. These funds enable the government of Pakistan — if not the state — to survive.

Pakistanis naturally resent this situation because they have no leverage in Pakistan’s relationship with Washington and thus are beholden to Washington’s diktat. They are right: this funding renders Pakistan answerable to the US taxpayer (e.g. me) rather than Pakistanis (e.g. you).

But this anger towards Washington is misplaced. Pakistanis should ask why it is that their state — including its massive, nuclear-armed military — requires outside assistance on the scale it does when Pakistan in fact has considerable national wealth.

Pakistan is not a Somalia. Why is that neighbouring India can pay its way, having transformed itself from an aid-receiving to an aid-granting state, while Pakistan must grovel at the table of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and other multilateral and bilateral donors? Indeed it is India’s financial success that has drawn global capitals to its doorstep seeking to sell India’s state and central governments weapon systems, surveillance technology, power plants, and other needed infrastructure and commodities needed and demanded by the growing country and its millions. It is India’s growing economic heft that gives it leverage in the strategic partnerships it forges — including those with the US and Israel.

There is no reason why Pakistan cannot step out of the shadow of its servitude and into the light of sovereignty. After all, Pakistanis are hardworking and proud patriots.

What does it mean for a state to be sovereign? Apart from exercising monopoly of force and writ of law more or less homogenously over the state territory, one of the most important elements of state sovereignty is the ability to pay its own bills. While Pakistan is making strides in the former, it has made no progress in the latter.

To free Pakistan of international meddling, Pakistan’s political leaders need only to subject themselves and their patronage networks to an agricultural and industrial tax, a move which Pakistan’s leadership has steadfastly avoided throughout the state’s entire history. Of course, it must improve income tax compliance too.

Given this refusal to expand its tax net, the state relies upon an admixture of international assistance and punitive and regressive domestic sales and income taxes to pay its bills. Sales taxes are especially regressive because they affect the poor far more than the wealthy. Government servants — whose income tax is deducted from their wages — and other honest income tax payers pay their way while the wealthy agriculturalists and business elite abscond. Bangladesh has a better tax compliance record than Pakistan.

The sad truth is that Pakistan’s elites –many of whom sit and have sat and will sit in parliament—have chosen to subjugate their country for their own personal accumulation and preservation of wealth. This should be the focus of public outrage: not Washington’s expectation that its massive investment in Pakistan yield some return for the interests of its taxpayers.

Some readers of this missive may counter that China and Saudi Arabia help Pakistan without such expectations. These cherished myths are rubbish.


What has China done for Pakistan? It did not help Pakistan in any of its wars with India in 1965, 1971 or the Kargil crisis of 1999, when it took the same line as the US and even India. It did little to help Pakistan in the 2001-2002 crisis with India and it even voted in the UN Security Council to declare Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) a terrorist organisation in 2009 in the wake of the Mumbai terror outrage.

The roads and ports and other infrastructure that the Chinese are building in Pakistan principally benefit China. Pakistanis are an afterthought. The Chinese obtain contracts on favourable and profitable investment terms, use their own employees, and contribute little to the local economy ultimately to build projects that facilitate the movement and sales of cheap (but also dangerous and poorly crafted) Chinese goods and products into and through Pakistan.


It is a sad fact that China uses Pakistan for its foreign policy aims as well. It provides Pakistan nuclear assistance and large amounts of military assistance to purchase subpar military platforms in hopes of sustaining Pakistan’s anti-status quo policy towards India. By encouraging Pakistani adventurism towards India, Beijing hopes that India’s massive defence modernisation and status of forces remain focused upon Pakistan — not China. China wants to sustain the animosity between India and Pakistan but it certainly does not want an actual conflict to ensue as it would then be forced to show its hand again — by not supporting Pakistan in such a conflict.


What about Saudi Arabia? The increasingly broke US citizen provided more assistance to Pakistan’s flood victims than Pakistan’s Islamic, oil tycoon brethren in Saudi Arabia. While the US government has not figured out how to give aid in a way that minimises corruption and maximises benefit, Pakistanis should note that at least the US tries to do so in contrast to Saudi Arabia, which simply abdicates.

Saudi Arabia does fund madrassas, albeit of a highly sectarian variety. Yet, Pakistan does not need more madrassas. In fact, the educational market shows that Pakistani interest in madrassa education is stagnant while interest in private schooling is expanding. Unfortunately, those madrassas and Islamic institutions that Saudi Arabia does support have contributed to a bloody sectarian divide in Pakistan that has killed far more innocent Pakistanis than the inaccurately reviled US drone programme a thousand times over.

In short, Saudi Arabia too uses Pakistan to isolate Shia Iran and to promote the dominance of Wahabiism over other Sunni maslaks (sub-sects) and over all Shia maslaks. Pakistan has paid a bloody price for the Saudis’ assistance.


There is no such thing as “friends” in international relations. Any country will help Pakistan because it expects that doing so will advance its interests, not necessarily those of Pakistan and its citizenry. Pakistan will never be free of the “nok” of donors until it raises its own revenue from its own domestic resources.

There is another important reason why all Pakistanis should pay local and federal taxes according to their means: it is the bond that ties the governed to the government. When the state extracts taxes from its citizenry, the citizens demand services in return. When the government fails to perform at either local or federal levels, the citizens have the opportunity to vote the miscreants out of office. The incoming elected officials learn, over the course of several electoral cycles, to be responsive to the voters, not dismissive of the same. Within constitutional democracies, payment of taxes is the most important mechanism by which citizens exert control over their government.

If Pakistanis genuinely want to toss off the yoke of financial servitude and gain a genuine stake in their government, they should stop howling at the US government. Instead, the street power mobilised to support a flawed law and a murderer should be redirected to policy issues that are critical to the state’s survival. And rest assured, financial sovereignty is one such issue.

The writer is an assistant professor at Georgetown University, Peace and Security Studies Programme. She can be reached by Christinefair.net

If Indians think that posting this article will put a wedge between Pakistan China or Pakistan Saudi Arabia, bhartees are mistaken. Though good try though. Why are you worried about Pakistan? Indian and thinking good for Pakistan, never in their lives. Snake will always bite even if you take the venom out.
 
countries go after their own interests. countries exploit geo-political situations to further their interests. china wants india to be in low state equillibrium. india also wants the same in pakistan.

india should use all foreign help (which US is offering as counter to china) in its own develpment. however india would do good by not entering a rat race with china.
 
Christine Fair is very good at propagating conspiracy theories & speculation of "think tanks"/journalists with providing any semblance of conclusive evidence.
 
Two pages and no one seems interested in answer the crux of Dr. Fair's position:

this anger towards Washington is misplaced. Pakistanis should ask why it is that their state — including its massive, nuclear-armed military — requires outside assistance on the scale it does when Pakistan in fact has considerable national wealth.

Pakistan is not a Somalia. Why is that neighbouring India can pay its way, having transformed itself from an aid-receiving to an aid-granting state, while Pakistan must grovel at the table of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and other multilateral and bilateral donors?

Really, what is so wrong about this question?? Why can't we have a honest discussion as to why Pakistan, which is much better positioned than India, is a basket case and seems to live off what IFI provide it instead of her own resources?
 
Really, what is so wrong about this question?? Why can't we have a honest discussion as to why Pakistan, which is much better positioned than India, is a basket case and seems to live off what IFI provide it instead of her own resources?

Let's think this through...

Clearly, the only way Pakistan can attain self-sufficiency is to reform the tax system and collect proper taxes.

Now, people all over the world, including Pakistanis, are not fond of paying taxes and will find every loophole in the book to minimize their taxes. That is understood. It is also fair to assume that Pakistanis, again like most people around the world, are willing to pay their fair share of taxes if they believe that everyone else is also chipping in and that the money will be used honestly, instead of ending up in some official's bank account.

The basic problem, then, is lack of trust and accountability in the system. If the government can't even run the show at home, where it is king, how can we possibly expect it to perform internationally against opposing interests?
 
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