Chinese Weapon Exports

[kolinsky]

ow FC-1 project belong to Pakistan, if Iraq need FC-1 they can ask for Pakistan not ChengDu, Chinese just assist Pakista

L15 should not be existed, just use a FC1 trainer, that is enough.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Iraq shall buy China K-8 or L-15 to deal with those terrorist.

If it was my decision I would by many chinese products including ZBL-09, ZBD-08, PLZ-05. VN3 scout car plus the hj-8.

also for the air the j10 the L-15 the ZD-5 and even the wz-9.

for the sea why not some o-56 S-20.

for the air defense why not the hq-9.

see China has a lot to offer Iraq.

the reason I would go to China are cost effective for a country like Iraq in need for every penny.
they are good enough to do the job against terrorism plus to defend the country against the region threat.
also China has no lobbies like the west where they always hesitating when it comes to sell weapons to Iraq.

My personal opinion is, Syria - Iraq (current Shiah government) - Iran there's a big Muslim Shiah Region inside the Middle East. Someone dislike this pro-Shiah situation, and release ISIS beast try to separate above Shiah region inside Iraq.

What current Iraq government really need is a military advisory group, to train Iraq soldiers how to deal with guerrilla warfare & urban combat.

It's happened to China PLA ever supported Sri Lanka Army to finish their Tamil Tiger rebel force, spent two combat years to end half of century problem at the North island. As far as i knew China sent PLA military advisors under the table and China weapons arm Sri Lanka Army to win the War. China provided military advice and arms to exchange Sri Lanka's mineral and seaport, it's a Secret War !


Good analysis ! Iraq soldier need well trained to face guerrilla warfare.

My friend with all due respect to China or the US, Iraq really has enough experience and expertise to train it's soldiers the good way we have many brilliant people who can accept the challenge and overcome it but the deal is with our government who opened the door for the Baathst and those who belong to some parties that rule the country so they give the job to those who are unfit to that task while they send home those who can do the best for the country.

Thank you very much !
Recently i heard some news, BeiJing plan to trade oil deals with Iraq kurdish. China support arms to them against ISIS too and will send Chinese engineering companies to develop local infrastructure & buildings. Anyway hope Iraq can end the War and kick all ISIS out from ur home, developing Iraq without War. China will provide helps to Iraq government as far as possible including PLA military advisory group from BeiJing.

You are welcome indeed.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Why trainers? FC1 is better....

But don't forget the JF-17 is powered by the RD-33 which is a Russian engine. the first thing the Russian going to do is ask the Iraqis to by the MiG-29 instead. I think If the Iraqis wise enough they should go for the J-10 as the Multi rule fighter while go for the Su-35 as an air superiority. But I doubt they are.

 

[aliaselin]

Bolivia H-425(Z-9 series) commissioned

 

[cnleio]

Bolivia H-425(Z-9 series) commissioned

 

[cnleio]

Breaking news: Saudi Arabia buy China DF-21 IRBM

2014年9月18日消息，沙特阿拉伯将军Anwar Eshqi向媒体证实，沙特从中国购买了一批DF-21型导弹，沙特自己的维护和支持设施也已完成。（他没有透露导弹的数量，价格和部署地点。）他表示，沙特购买DF-21型导弹并非要进攻任何国家，而是为了加强沙特的防御能力。

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Arabia news: صحيفة عكاظ | شؤون الوطن | «رياح الشرق» تعزز ترسانة الردع و «الدبابة الطائرة» هجومية مدمرة

Saudi Arabia has Acquired the DF-21 Missiles says Saudi General

Retired Saudi General Dr.Anwar Eshqi and advisor to the joint military council gives a statement to the media when asked about new acquisitions by the RSBMF and says "Saudi military did indeed receive the DF-21 missile from China and all integration of the missiles including a full maintenance and upgrade facility are complete" he further elaborated that the acquisition of these missiles are not meant as an offensive force by Saudi Arabia, but to further strengthen its mission to protect the holy places and other allied countries under its protective umbrella.

صحيفة عكاظ | شؤون الوطن | «رياح الشرق» تعزز ترسانة الردع و «الدبابة الطائرة» هجومية مدمرة

 

[Malik Alashter]

Breaking news: Saudi Arabia buy China DF-21 IRBM


Just for reference ...

Arabia news: صحيفة عكاظ | شؤون الوطن | «رياح الشرق» تعزز ترسانة الردع و «الدبابة الطائرة» هجومية مدمرة

Saudi Arabia has Acquired the DF-21 Missiles says Saudi General

صحيفة عكاظ | شؤون الوطن | «رياح الشرق» تعزز ترسانة الردع و «الدبابة الطائرة» هجومية مدمرة

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But isn't these missile has a range of more than 300 KM.

 

[mike2000]

Breaking news: Saudi Arabia buy China DF-21 IRBM


Just for reference ...

Arabia news: صحيفة عكاظ | شؤون الوطن | «رياح الشرق» تعزز ترسانة الردع و «الدبابة الطائرة» هجومية مدمرة

Saudi Arabia has Acquired the DF-21 Missiles says Saudi General

صحيفة عكاظ | شؤون الوطن | «رياح الشرق» تعزز ترسانة الردع و «الدبابة الطائرة» هجومية مدمرة

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What the Hell, China selling ICBM to Saudi Arabia? WTH. I thought China was signatory of the MTCR, which pohibits the sale of unmanned delivery systems capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, and to coordinate national export licensing efforts aimed at preventing their proliferation? So why would they sell such a dangerous offensive weapon to Saudi Arabia? Providing Turkey with the HQ-9 or whatever air defence system is different from selling offensive long range missiles system.

By the way how did Saudi Arabia get a green light from the U.S? This news is indeed quite surprising/mysterious
Im sure Iran and other countries in the region wont be happy with this news.

 

[Nan Yang]

What the Hell, China selling ICBM to Saudi Arabia? WTH. I thought China was signatory of the MTCR, which pohibits the sale of unmanned delivery systems capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, and to coordinate national export licensing efforts aimed at preventing their proliferation? So why would they sell such a dangerous offensive weapon to Saudi Arabia? Providing Turkey with the HQ-9 or whatever air defence system is different from selling offensive long range missiles system.

By the way how did Saudi Arabia get a green light from the U.S? This news is indeed quite surprising/mysterious
Im sure Iran and other countries in the region wont be happy with this news.

United States, a signatory of MTCR also supply Ballistic missile technology to S Korea.

Seoul is authorized under a new bilateral defense agreement with the United States to domestically manufacture high-altitude missiles with ranges close to 500 miles

Source:
South Korean Defense Head Wants Longer-Range Ballistic Missiles ASAP | Global Security Newswire | NTI

 

[3BOOM]

they said Bush Jr approved this on 2006

 

[itaskol]

But isn't these missile has a range of more than 300 KM.

standard df21 3000KM.
same level as DF3 serie KSA got from china.
china never sign MTCR. But respect the rules of MTCR.
missile for KSA is a exceptional case

 

[cnleio]

But isn't these missile has a range of more than 300 KM.

DF-21 update to DF-3 in Saudi Arabia, this deal is mysterious even no any news in China before.

Yes DF-21 >> 300km but u knew sometimes the treaty is bullsh!t for some nation in UNSC, ppl only trust national strength.

If Saudi Arabia ask for DF-21 with high price, China willing to sell and U.S give Green Light to the deal, DF-21 is OKay.

standard df21 3000KM.
same level as DF3 serie KSA got from china.
china never sign MTCR. But respect the rules of MTCR.
missile for KSA is a exceptional case

China had sold DF-3 to Saudi Arabia in 1980s, it's not 1st exceptional case in this world.

 

[cnleio]

What the Hell, China selling ICBM to Saudi Arabia? WTH. I thought China was signatory of the MTCR, which pohibits the sale of unmanned delivery systems capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, and to coordinate national export licensing efforts aimed at preventing their proliferation? So why would they sell such a dangerous offensive weapon to Saudi Arabia? Providing Turkey with the HQ-9 or whatever air defence system is different from selling offensive long range missiles system.

By the way how did Saudi Arabia get a green light from the U.S? This news is indeed quite surprising/mysterious
Im sure Iran and other countries in the region wont be happy with this news.

DF-21 replace Saudi Arabia's DF-3 sold in 1980s from China, their 20years ago DF-3 IRBMs should retire. This suprise began since 1980s when China sold DF-3 to Saudi Arabia.

 

[William Hung]

1. Both China and Saudi Arabia are NOT members of MTCR. So they are not breaking any treaty.

2. USA is a member of MTCR so they cannot sell to the Saudi any long range missiles. They can try do the "joint-development" trick like they did with SK to bypass the MTCR limit but no one will believe them because SA doesn't have any strong indigenous missile program like SK.

My opinion:

3. SA is one of USA ally so they want SA to be armed with long range missiles to keep anti-US countries in check.

4. The DF-21 will be primarily directed against Iran and other countries in the region that has a potential to go rogue or anti-US in the future (Iraq and Syria).

5. USA may one day want some country to be bombed but don't want to do it themselves. This is where their allies like SA comes in. It saves the US from any political backlash, also saves them cost and expenses. The fact that the missiles is not originated from the US will save them alot of headache.

6. Why China was willing to make this deal that will upset Iran who is friendly to China? I think SA and USA made a very important offer to China behind closed doors, an offer that is more important than their relations with Iran.

7. Right now, the kind of offer that I could think of is something related to terrorism in XinJiang. Does anyone have any idea what this offer might be?

 

[itaskol]

6. Why China was willing to make this deal that will upset Iran who is friendly to China? I think SA and USA made a very important offer to China behind closed doors, an offer that is more important than their relations with Iran.

the most important offer is the money.
In 1980 we did not even have diplomatic relationship with saudis, and we did not buy oil from saudis at that time. But saudis offer China a price that we simply can not reject. And China delivered DF 3.
How they use the missile is so not important for us. In my view it is just a upgrade of the DF 3