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Genetic testing of villagers in a remote part of China has shown that nearly two thirds of their DNA is of Caucasian origin, lending support to the theory that they may be descended from a 'lost legion' of Roman soldiers

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Cai Junnian's green eyes give a hint he may be a descendant of Roman mercenaries who allegedly fought the Han Chinese 2,000 years ago.

Tests found that the DNA of some villagers in Liqian, on the fringes of the Gobi Desert in north-western China, was 56 per cent Caucasian in origin.

Many of the villagers have blue or green eyes, long noses and even fair hair, prompting speculation that they have European blood.

A local man, Cai Junnian, is nicknamed by his friends and relatives Cai Luoma, or Cai the Roman, and is one of many villagers convinced that he is descended from the lost legion.

Archeologists plan to conduct digs in the region, along the ancient Silk Route, to search for remains of forts or other structures built by the fabled army.

"We hope to prove the legend by digging and discovering more evidence of China's early contacts with the Roman Empire," Yuan Honggeng, the head of a newly-established Italian Studies Centre at Lanzhou University in Gansu province, told the China Daily newspaper.

The genetic tests have leant weight to the theory that Roman legionaries settled in the area in the first century BC after fleeing a disastrous battle.

The clash took place in 53BC between an army led by Marcus Crassus, a Roman general, and a larger force of Parthians, from what is now Iran, bringing to an abrupt halt the Roman Empire's eastwards expansion.

Thousands of Romans were slaughtered and Crassus himself was beheaded, but some legionaries were said to have escaped the fighting and marched east to elude the enemy.

They supposedly fought as mercenaries in a war between the Huns and the Chinese in 36BC – Chinese chroniclers refer to the capture of a "fish-scale formation" of troops, a possible reference to the "tortoise" phalanx formation perfected by legionnaries. The wandering Roman soldiers are thought to have been released and to have settled on the steppes of western China.

The theory was first put forward in the 1950s by Homer Dubs, a professor of Chinese history at Oxford University.

The Roman Empire reached its greatest territorial extent under the Emperor Trajan in the 2nd century AD, just as the Han empire was beginning to decline.

Most historians believe that the two empires had only indirect contact, as silk and spices were traded along the Silk Road through merchants in exchange for Roman goods such as glassware.

But some experts believe they could instead be descended from the armies of Huns that marauded through central Asia, which included soldiers of Caucasian origin.

Maurizio Bettini, a classicist and anthropologist from Siena University, dismissed the theory as "a fairy tale".

"For it to be indisputable, one would need to find items such as Roman money or weapons that were typical of Roman legionaries," he told La Repubblica. "Without proof of this kind, the story of the lost legions is just a legend."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8154490/Chinese-villagers-descended-from-Roman-soldiers.html
 
This old guy with green eyes might be the offspring of the ancient Indo-Europeans from Asian steppe, not necessarily Romans.
 
Yeah there are a lot of these "isolated tribes" around in the world.

Interesting to know though!
 
This old guy with green eyes might be the offspring of the ancient Indo-Europeans from Asian steppe, not necessarily Romans.

I was thinking the same. If you seen people from central Asian nations like Uzbekistan many people have both Mongoloid and Caucasoid features with colored eyes and hair like that guy. Most be mixed with Tochurian tribes, Scthyian tribes, etc who are related to people from Eastern Europeans nations like Poland, Ukraine, etc.


Romans/Latins are not known for colored eyes and hair like Northern and Eastern Euros.
 
I was thinking the same. If you seen central Asian nations like Uzbekistan many people have both have Mongoloid and Caucasoid features with colored eyes and hair like that guy. Most be mixed with Tochurian tribes, Scthyian tribes, etc who are related to Eastern Europeans like Polish, Ukraine, etc.

Agreed, it's most likely Indo-Europeans from Central Asia, hence the blue/green eyes.
 
Most likely central asians/russians. Genes from roman settlers would not remain undiluted that long.

Given that you only have male soldiers and each generation requires a woman which would dilute the gene by 50% I doubt they are roman descendants.
 
Well, the ancient Romans did share similar phenotype with modern Italians, where dark hair and dark eyes predominate.

Those colored eyed people from Central Asia were mostly descendents of the ancient Indo-European men and the aboriginal Mongoloid women. These folks tend to have high frequency of R1a1a(Indo-European Y-DNA) in their fatherline, whereas mtDNA is mostly Asian.
 
Here is the well preserved mummy of a Scythian horseman from Mongolia with typical North-Eastern European genetic and phenotype.

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These men later took local Mongoloid wives, then their future offsprings became Caucasoid/Mongoloid hybrid with carrying the recessive gene of light pigmentation.

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According to an article I read on the subject many blonde Chinese people die their hair black to better "blend in" with the Han population. I wonder whether it is still practiced today given the proliferation of hair dying.
 
^^ i know a bunch that dye their hair blond(partial or the entire thing) these days
 
^^ i know a bunch that dye their hair blond(partial or the entire thing) these days

Way more likely lol. That area of China has been historical a cultural crossroad, before and during the time of the great silk road. It is very possible that an isolated tribe would have been descended from some of these traders.
 
Here is some Russian/Chinese mixed people.

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I cherry pick some colored eyed individuals, you will see that they are phenotypically similar to those colored eyed Central Asians.
 
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