Chinese Trainer JL-9, L-15, JL-10, CJ-7 News & Discussions

[Deino]

FTC-2000G
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Aren't these old images from the maiden flight?

 

[LKJ86]

JL-10

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[LKJ86]

FTC-2000G

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[Polestar 2]

FTC-2000G
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the FTC-2000G order by a southeast asia countries? they ready to be delivered soon, I guess...

i have a feeling, it might not be cambodia AF.

 

[LKJ86]

FTC-2000G

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[LKJ86]

FTC-2000G
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Source:https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/ozJXkV96SBKreu2P6eeaBg

 

[lcloo]

the FTC-2000G order by a southeast asia countries? they ready to be delivered soon, I guess...

i have a feeling, it might not be cambodia AF.

Vietnam? Definitely not.
Philippines? No, they bought Korean TA-50
Indonesia? No, they bought Korean T-50
Thailand? No, they bought T-50
Singapore? No, they bought M-346
Malaysia? No, the related purchase has been postponed. Contract tender has not yet begun.
Myanmar? No, they bought YAK-130
Laos? No, they bought YAK-130.
Brunei? Very unlikely.
Cambodia? The most pro-China ASEAN member. And the only South East Asian country that has not yet inducted an advance trainer/light fighter jet.

 

[Polestar 2]

JL-9G is a fourth gen fighter/trainer.. Using many composite on its fuselage, high angle of attack. It can used to train on many situation of stalling. A dangerous training subject used to avoid by AF.

 

[Deino]

JL-9G is a fourth gen fighter/trainer.. Using many composite on its fuselage, high angle of attack. It can used to train on many situation of stalling. A dangerous training subject used to avoid by AF.

Come on ... it is a cheap and simple trainer, based on a dated design. Surely not a fourth generation fighter-like trainer!

 

[Polestar 2]

Come on ... it is a cheap and simple trainer, based on a dated design. Surely not a fourth generation fighter-like trainer!

I dont think you can called a fighter fitted with high level of composite, single structural fuselage, DSI inlet, 3 large LCD glass cockpit fitted with advanced Doppler pulse radar and fourth gen avionics that is capable of BVR, multi role fighter like JL-9G as simple trainer.

 

[Deino]

I dont think you can called a fighter fitted with high level of composite, single structural fuselage, DSI inlet, 3 large LCD glass cockpit fitted with advanced Doppler pulse radar and fourth gen avionics that is capable of BVR, multi role fighter like JL-9G as simple trainer.

Please!

Put a modern small radar in it, replace some certain parts of the fuselage with composite and that makes a regular F-5E Tiger to be a "fourth generation fighter"??

It's nothing but a pimped up old design using an old structure and even more a dated engine. It is never ever comparable to true "fourth generation fighters" like the J-10, F-16 or whatever.

 

[Polestar 2]

Please!

Put a modern small radar in it, replace some certain parts of the fuselage with composite and that makes a regular F-5E Tiger to be a "fourth generation fighter"??

It's nothing but a pimped up old design using an old structure and even more a dated engine. It is never ever comparable to true "fourth generation fighters" like the J-10, F-16 or whatever.

F-5E is basically an old design without much changes compare to F-5A freedom fighter. The layout are very similar.

But JL-9G has many major changes compare to even J-7PG. It is capable of many performance which F-5EII cannot perform. It's aerodynamic is fourth gen and a big reason why it is close as advance trainer for China fourth gen fighter pilots.

 

[Polestar 2]

China's L-15 Falcon: Cut-rate warfare on a budget - Asia Times

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asiatimes.com

 

[ozranger]

I dont think you can called a fighter fitted with high level of composite, single structural fuselage, DSI inlet, 3 large LCD glass cockpit fitted with advanced Doppler pulse radar and fourth gen avionics that is capable of BVR, multi role fighter like JL-9G as simple trainer.

It doesn't seem to be having a lot of composite materials on the fuselage though. It is even more unlikely when the customers are Cambodia or alike as those countries simply can't afford the cost.

The spec of the plane has also been drastically changed to only having a maximum speed Mach 1.2, while J-7 II can fly over Mach 2. This plane literally can neither intercept nor dog fight now, although it becomes much easier for inexperienced pilots to fly, especially for training purpose. It works a lot better than J-7 on patrol missions too. Obviously training or patrol tasks don't require extensive use of composite materials.

The avionics looks to be very modern but I think they can make the cost low enough on it for a country like Cambodia just because the supply chains in China really allow them to quickly source many out of shelf products instead of redeveloping a new set of those on their own.

 

[LKJ86]

JL-10

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