Chinese professors among 6 charged with economic espionage

[A1Kaid]

The articles said the professors are Chinese national? i.e. they are citizen of PRC.
Why did the companies employ allegedly "cannot innovate" PRC citizen in developing sensitive hi-tech technology?
I suspect because private companies care more about their bottom line then politic and propaganda.

Those companies will most likely be investigated. If they were Federal contractors and it does seem they were they must hire US citizens only.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Sounds like US after WWII and German technology.

There is a difference between post world war and peace time economic espionage. But don't let me stop you from using age old false parity in your arguments.

Just remember, your country too has entrepreneurs that develop new technologies, that hire thousands of pakistanis, and whose intellectual property would be subject to same premise. That is why globally we should condemn the chinese state for economic espionage.

 

[Tiger Genie]

The articles said the professors are Chinese national? i.e. they are citizen of PRC.
Why did the companies employ allegedly "cannot innovate" PRC citizen in developing sensitive hi-tech technology?
I suspect because private companies care more about their bottom line then politic and propaganda.

that is America for you. We give opportunity for all to come here, study, excel and produce. It is an absolute shame that some people like these guys abuse the largesse and steal from the very same people that fed them. This is not the first time. Chinese have stolen so much from Jet Propulsion Labs as well as dozens of others.

Chinese government must learn to honorably deal with America and stop organizing, supporting and encouraging such shameful acts. Otherwise there will be action taken that will unfortunately send the poor Chinese people back to abject poverty. Do not take Walmart contracts for granted.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

There are variations here we should understand-

Economic espionage that one company does on another which is terrible and wrong and unlawful .

AND THEN THERE IS CHINA- where the government is promoting, funding and is behind it. No country is immune from them stealing their citizen's hard work.

 

[Secur]

What morals are some people looking for in this business?

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

What morals are some people looking for in this business?

Laws of civilized countries.

 

[MastanKhan]

Those companies will most likely be investigated. If they were Federal contractors and it does seem they were they must hire US citizens only.

Hi,

It really does not work that way----. When you are doing your masters or Phd----you can get hired by a certain company in the U S and they just don't discriminate---you start with your university work permit and then they apply for the green card for you later after yu have gotten your degree and they are offering you the job.

When you are looking for bright minds in a diverse population---you will get odd balls who will do untoward things----. The U S cannot survive without the best of the world coming to its universities and colleges for education.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Hi,

It really does not work that way----. When you are doing your masters or Phd----you can get hired by a certain company in the U S and they just don't discriminate---you start with your university work permit and then they apply for the green card for you later after yu have gotten your degree and they are offering you the job.

When you are looking for bright minds in a diverse population---you will get odd balls who will do untoward things----. The U S cannot survive without the best of the world coming to its universities and colleges for education.

What do you think we did during the cold war? Did not seem to stop us from being leaders in innovation back then.

Not allowing Chinese in, will not hamper our goals.

 

[Secur]

Laws of civilized countries.

Nope, hypocrisy of the first world countries of engaging in the same in the past but calling others as immoral for doing the same now. While you are at it, tell me how is military espionage fine but industrial espionage wrong? Because statehood is a dirty business and both benefit it.

The U S cannot survive without the best of the world coming to its universities and colleges for education.

E pluribus unum, comrade?

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Nope, hypocrisy of the first world countries of engaging in the same in the past but calling others as immoral for doing the same now. While you are at it, tell me how is military espionage fine but industrial espionage wrong? Because statehood is a dirty business and both benefit it.



E pluribus unum, comrade?

What basis did they hand you the Think Tank Title really. You don't even know the difference between military espionage and economic espionage, and why one is unacceptable while the other is acceptable. Do you know the difference between attacking a business vs spying on military installations and plans?

Do understand intellectual property rights or the need for it?

Pakistani companies hold many intellectual rights to hundreds of designs. Companies that employ thousands of pakistanis because of holding such rights. Should it be okay for China to come steal it, copy it, make it cheaper and help your country's business fail or lose out?

Here is problem, you are so single minded in anti American hatred, that you would sacrifice all logic and any modicum of intelligence.

 

[A1Kaid]

Hi,

It really does not work that way----. When you are doing your masters or Phd----you can get hired by a certain company in the U S and they just don't discriminate---you start with your university work permit and then they apply for the green card for you later after yu have gotten your degree and they are offering you the job.

When you are looking for bright minds in a diverse population---you will get odd balls who will do untoward things----. The U S cannot survive without the best of the world coming to its universities and colleges for education.

When you are doing your masters or Phd----you can get hired by a certain company in the U S and they just don't discriminate

That's not what I am refuting. I said if those companies are Federal contractors vast majority of the time they can only hire US citizens, and that comes from an Executive Order and is a Federal statue. There are some exceptions for certain job positions that say you can be a legal resident and be eligible for the job, but many Federal contractor jobs are for US citizens only. What I am saying is if they hired these Chinese citizens in jobs that were designated for US citizens only, then the two companies (Avago Technologies and Skywork Solutions) will be in big trouble. If these were just private companies developing their own technology with their own funds then they can probably get away with hiring just legal residents with valid work permits.

-you start with your university work permit

Universities do not issue work permits. If you are a legal non-citizen resident of US seeking to work you must have an approved and active EAD form which provides you a work permit.

 

[Secur]

What basis did they hand you the Think Tank Title really. You don't even know the difference between military espionage and economic espionage, and why one is unacceptable while the other is acceptable. Do you know the difference between attacking a business vs spying on military installations and plans?

Do understand intellectual property rights or the need for it?

Pakistani companies hold many intellectual rights to hundreds of designs. Companies that employ thousands of pakistanis because of holding such rights. Should it be okay for China to come steal it, copy it, make it cheaper and help your country's business fail or lose out?

Here is problem, you are so single minded in anti American hatred, that you would sacrifice all logic and any modicum of intelligence.

Shall we discuss the topic at hand? Because if you have queries about the selection process for Think Tanks, I suggest you speak to the webmaster. I know the difference well, tell me the exact reason why industrial espionage is evil and satanic and we all should tolerate military espionage? Well looking at it, it harms the other country's interests and puts its national security at stake, why should that be allowed for the Americans to do but the other should be banned for use by the still-catching up countries even though that is exactly what you have done in the past?

You don't know me at all. How exactly did you assume that a person disagreeing with your stance is anti-American too somehow? No, you would use the things when convenient and cry at the first instance of others following you in your footsteps. Remember Germany?

 

[Solomon2]

H1B visas and student visas need to be restricted too for the chinese.

VIsas were restricted after Tianamen Square massacres but university laboratories complained they couldn't fill their diversity quotas and get enough graduate students willing to work at minimum wage. Eventually student exchanges resumed. The post-Tianamen lot of students were quite different from the old: they all pretended nothing had happened there and some were closely aligned with the Party. Some had already earned Ph.D.s in China. Many of the old lot would have nothing to do with the new ones and left university entirely.

Economic espionage that one company does on another which is terrible and wrong and unlawful . AND THEN THERE IS CHINA- where the government is promoting, funding and is behind it. No country is immune from them stealing their citizen's hard work.

The Chinese students explained that stealing property is a crime but stealing knowledge is not; if knowledge was supposed to be protected it was to be locked up rather than shared. Consequently group research encountered difficulties: the Chinese students were eager to learn and examine American (or Korean or Russian) students' research and sometimes published these as their own while in turn they proved uncooperative when they were expected, even ordered, to share the results of their assignments. The only effective way to solve the culture-clash, student supply, and minority requirement problems was to accept to the development of a nearly-exclusively Chinese student body in that department!

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Shall we discuss the topic at hand? Because if you have queries about the selection process for Think Tanks, I suggest you speak to the webmaster. I know the difference well, tell me the exact reason why industrial espionage is evil and satanic and we all should tolerate military espionage? Well looking at it, it harms the other country's interests and puts its national security at stake, why should that be allowed for the Americans to do but the other should be banned for use by the still-catching up countries even though that is exactly what you have done in the past?

You don't know me at all. How exactly did you assume that a person disagreeing with your stance is anti-American too somehow? No, you would use the things when convenient and cry at the first instance of others following you in your footsteps. Remember Germany?

I ask you to read my post again, because it does not take but an average intelligence to get the answers you sought. America does not do economic espionage.

You knowing where we hide a nuke, does not threaten the economy of our country, thereby its business or people.

If you are incapable of comprehending the difference between sabotaging , stealing, copying economic engines of a nation vs. spying on military complex. Then I might as well watch paint dry than try to speak with you on the topic anymore.

 

[Secur]

I ask you to read my post again, because it does not take but an average intelligence to get the answers you sought. America does not do economic espionage.

You knowing where we hide a nuke, does not threaten the economy of our country, thereby its business or people.

If you are incapable of comprehending the difference between sabotaging , stealing, copying economic engines of a nation vs. spying on military complex. Then I might as well watch paint dry than try to speak with you on the topic anymore.

You don't now. But you have done so, in the past. I am not accusing you of it, but you do engage in military espionage which I believe as equally wrong as industrial espionage. You threaten a country's defenses, thereby threatening its people. Whats the difference? Industrial espionage is short term, military espionage on the other hand presents with long term detrimental effects to the national security. Why, as the simple question goes, is one permitted but the other one, the handiwork of the devil? Even if I accept your present argument, what the heck were the Yankees doing after the end of WWII? That time you were catching up with the best, this time its the Chinese. Is the problem just your country being at the receiving end now?