Chinese PLA Colonel: Doklam was a humiliating defeat for China, PRC caved in to Indian pressure

[Feng Leng]

LOL China already said no concession to India about road building and building proceeds as scheduled. How does India's unilateral retreat from Doklam help them stop us?

Lessons learned in tense China-India border row but it will cast a long shadow, analysts say
With the BRICS summit next week and growing economic cooperation at stake, both sides had good reason to end the stand-off

Shi Jiangtao / Kristin Huang
UPDATED : Wednesday, 30 Aug 2017, 1:33PM

“China understands the importance of creating a favourable atmosphere for the success of the summit and the all-important party congress,” said Wang Dehua, head of South Asia studies at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies.

China has pulled out all the stops with meticulous preparations for the summit and Beijing did not want it overshadowed by the border row, according to Chinese experts.

“The event – where Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi are supposed to meet – has offered a way out of this unexpectedly tense stand-off, although there are different interpretations as to which side actually compromised more,” said Yue Gang, a retired colonel in the PLA’s General Staff Department.

Harsh Pant, a professor of international relations at King’s College London, also said the pull-out of Indian troops was “absolutely” in response to the upcoming BRICS summit.

“China needed this to be resolved [ahead of BRICS],” he said by phone from New Delhi. “If any country was under pressure, it was China, not India. There was no reason for India to do anything else apart from holding on and digging in at the border, as India was doing.”

But Wang noted that embattled Indian leader Modi was also keen to make the summit a success because it was a key international platform for India’s growing economic cooperation with China.

Although the Chinese foreign ministry sounded triumphant announcing that the Indian troops had withdrawn, experts say it was Beijing who had compromised by seemingly accepting New Delhi’s demand that it stop road construction in the disputed area where China, India and Bhutan meet.

“Despite Beijing’s deliberate ambiguity, China has apparently made substantial concessions in order to end the dispute,” Yue said.


Since the stand-off began in mid-June, India had urged China to put a stop to road building near its Bhutan border. Beijing had meanwhile insisted that India must withdraw its troops from the area before negotiations to peacefully resolve the crisis could begin.

China said on Tuesday that the weather was a factor affecting its construction of roads and other infrastructure along the Himalayan border with India, and it would maintain patrols in the contested area. But most analysts say China appears to have quietly halted the project after weeks of intense diplomatic negotiations.

"India has got exactly what it has wanted. It was a humiliating defeat for China to cave in to pressure from India despite all the tough talk,” Yue said.

Pant also said the Indian side may have agreed to withdraw because it got what it wanted on the Doklam plateau – restoration of the status quo before China began construction along the unmarked border.

http://m.scmp.com/news/china/diplom...-learned-tense-china-india-border-row-it-will

LOL SCMP is a fake propaganda news media. It is not even Chinese.

 

[Han Patriot]

What made this stand off a different one was.... The rhetoric from Chinese side.... Which was very unusual.... Especially their media was replicating what Indian media is known to do...

Actually both nations were matured enough to handle this.... Even the events were choreographed nicely..... Both had exit paths and could drive their own versions with conviction....

I hope you are viewing this neutrally. If you take away all the Indian media noise and read both official responses, these are the facts:

1) India withdrew unilaterally. Statement was vague using the word 'disengagement'.
2) China is still in Doklam and will continue to patrol and be stationed in Doklam. You essentially gave China excuse to militarize Doklam.
3) Road construction will continue. My bet is it will start after winter since Modi is going to Beijing, we need to give him face.

I did not make this up. I hope you are impartial and analyze this.

LOL China already said no concession to India about road building and building proceeds as scheduled. How does India's unilateral retreat from Doklam help them stop us?


LOL SCMP is a fake propaganda news media. It is not even Chinese.

They are just publishing whatever view from around the world, be it Indian or Chinese, tomorrow they will publish a different opinion. This is a open news network, any 'expert' can give their opinion. Facts are from official statements. That's why I only use MEA or MOFA statements. Remember previously Indian media claimed China reduced their troops to 40 soldiers, the truth was India was the one reducing troops.

Despite the fact that china may still build a road, I think they were too soft in dealing with the situation. I haven't read the article but it wouldn't surprise me if I see a Chinese criticizing the way they dealt with it. India's response was out of proportion and it would have been neutralized likewise. You just gave India what they wanted and it was to show the world they can stand up against China.

Well, nobody wants war, had Indian chose to remain in Doklam, you can be sure war will be the next outcome. I believe the current solution is alright, they withdrew unilaterally and unconditionally as instructed. This incident just gave China excuse to militarize Doklam, troops are now being stationed there instead of just patrolling.

 

[war&peace]

How does indian mind work?

1. All of a sudden, India withdraws its soldiers unilaterally
2. Chinese soldiers stay and patrol the area that was claimed by India as disputed
3. China will continue to make the road

And the conclusion is India Won ....

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[Resident Evil]

How does indian mind work?

1. India with draws unilaterally
2. Chinese soldiers stay and patrol the area that was claimed India as disputed
3. China will continue to make the road

And the conclusion is India Won ....

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Nope China will not be able to make the road.

 

[war&peace]

Nope China will not be able to make the road.

How on earth China will not make the road? Just fool yourself.

 

[ashok321]

"Is it your territory?" China's state councillor Yang Jiechi bluntly asked national security adviser A K Doval on the presence of Indian troops at Doklam as the two met on July 27 in Beijing+ to make the first diplomatic stab at resolving the confrontation over the strategically crucial patch.

The sharp poser reflected the Chinese intransigence over changing the status quo+ at the trijunction of Bhutan, India and China by building a road through what India considers to be Bhutanese territory.

Evasive & deceptive Doval could not answer the simple question, hence he had to twist on above.

 

[Feng Leng]

Nope China will not be able to make the road.

Did the unilateral retreat help India stop China from building the road that we already declared was our intention?

 

[Han Patriot]

Evasive & deceptive Doval could not answer the simple question, hence he had to twist on above.

Let them hail Doval as a hero. This dumbass nearly caused a war and handed China an excuse to militarize Doklam. Point is there was no negotiations on Doklam in Beijing, he tried to make China agree to his terms but in return China still insists on Indian withdrawal before any negotiations can take place. In return India did exactly that, unilateral withdrawal unconditionally.

Status quo is now changed whether they like it or not, China is now stationed at Doklam near Doka La.

Did the unilateral retreat help India stop China from building the road that we already declared was our intention?

If they were confident, they wouldn't have withdrew, now India media - 99% google english searches is declaring victory, giving the general Indian populace a false sense of victory. One can easily see the truth from official statements. Until today MEA is silent and vague in their statements.

 

[wiseone2]

Lessons learned in tense China-India border row but it will cast a long shadow, analysts say
With the BRICS summit next week and growing economic cooperation at stake, both sides had good reason to end the stand-off

Shi Jiangtao / Kristin Huang
UPDATED : Wednesday, 30 Aug 2017, 1:33PM

“China understands the importance of creating a favourable atmosphere for the success of the summit and the all-important party congress,” said Wang Dehua, head of South Asia studies at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies.

China has pulled out all the stops with meticulous preparations for the summit and Beijing did not want it overshadowed by the border row, according to Chinese experts.

“The event – where Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi are supposed to meet – has offered a way out of this unexpectedly tense stand-off, although there are different interpretations as to which side actually compromised more,” said Yue Gang, a retired colonel in the PLA’s General Staff Department.

Harsh Pant, a professor of international relations at King’s College London, also said the pull-out of Indian troops was “absolutely” in response to the upcoming BRICS summit.

“China needed this to be resolved [ahead of BRICS],” he said by phone from New Delhi. “If any country was under pressure, it was China, not India. There was no reason for India to do anything else apart from holding on and digging in at the border, as India was doing.”

But Wang noted that embattled Indian leader Modi was also keen to make the summit a success because it was a key international platform for India’s growing economic cooperation with China.

Although the Chinese foreign ministry sounded triumphant announcing that the Indian troops had withdrawn, experts say it was Beijing who had compromised by seemingly accepting New Delhi’s demand that it stop road construction in the disputed area where China, India and Bhutan meet.

“Despite Beijing’s deliberate ambiguity, China has apparently made substantial concessions in order to end the dispute,” Yue said.


Since the stand-off began in mid-June, India had urged China to put a stop to road building near its Bhutan border. Beijing had meanwhile insisted that India must withdraw its troops from the area before negotiations to peacefully resolve the crisis could begin.

China said on Tuesday that the weather was a factor affecting its construction of roads and other infrastructure along the Himalayan border with India, and it would maintain patrols in the contested area. But most analysts say China appears to have quietly halted the project after weeks of intense diplomatic negotiations.

"India has got exactly what it has wanted. It was a humiliating defeat for China to cave in to pressure from India despite all the tough talk,” Yue said.

Pant also said the Indian side may have agreed to withdraw because it got what it wanted on the Doklam plateau – restoration of the status quo before China began construction along the unmarked border.

http://m.scmp.com/news/china/diplom...-learned-tense-china-india-border-row-it-will

I do not know what is humilating about being a nice neighbor. China needs to evaluate its border road building strategy. Why build roads to nowhere unless you have a military motive

 

[ashok321]

Let them hail Doval as a hero. This dumbass nearly caused a war and handed China an excuse to militarize Doklam. Point is there was no negotiations on Doklam in Beijing, he tried to make China agree to his terms but in return China still insists on Indian withdrawal before any negotiations can take place. In return India did exactly that, unilateral withdrawal unconditionally.

Status quo is now changed whether they like it or not, China is now stationed at Doklam near Doka La.

India has had many, but the only new drawback that has developed here is that, due to Modi's war mongering attitude to attract (nationalist) votes at home, Indians would fork out some more money in indirect taxes that would go into India-China border beef up:

 

[Han Patriot]

I do not know what is humilating about being a nice neighbor. China needs to evaluate its border road building strategy. Why build roads to nowhere unless you have a military motive

Then why did India build roads? It can be defensive too. i can udnerstand if this was disputed territory with India, but this is a Sino Bhutanese dispute, imagine if we allowed this to happen, it will set a precedent. US can just land in SCS island and stop our construction citing mutual defence with Phil. It will be WWIII.

Btw, I suggest you read the official statements and not some anal lysis from 'experts'.

http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/2511_665403/t1488261.shtml

Q: Could you tell us that how many Chinese soldiers are still deployed at the Dong Lang area?

A: This is a very specific question. What I can tell you is that The Chinese border troops continue with their patrols and stationing in the Dong Lang area. China will adjust and deploy its military resources in accordance with the need of guarding the border and the situation on the ground.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/29/c_136565670.htm

We will make an overall assessment of the weather conditions and all related factors, and according to the actual circumstances complete construction plans for the Dong Lang (Doklam) area," spokesperson Hua Chunying told a daily news briefing.

It is no coincidence MEA is awfully silent and vague on this.

 

[war&peace]

India has had many, but the only new drawback that has developed here is that, due to Modi's war mongering attitude to attract (nationalist) votes at home, Indians would fork out some more money in indirect taxes that would go into India-China border beef up:

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[kaykay]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...dia-military-standoff/?utm_term=.357e5b245557

BEIJING — For weeks, China’s Foreign Ministry had been vehement in its denunciations of India and insistence that New Delhi unconditionally withdraw troops that had trespassed into Chinese territory. Don't underestimate us, China repeatedly insisted, we are prepared for military conflict if need be.

Yet on Monday, it appeared as though Beijing, not New Delhi, had blinked.

Both sides withdrew troops to end the stand-off. Crucially, military sources told Indian newspapers that China has also withdrawn the bulldozers that were constructing a road on the plateau. That road, built on land contested between Bhutan and China, had been the reason Indian troops had entered the disputed area in the first place, in defense of its ally Bhutan.

 

[wiseone2]

Then why did India build roads? It can be defensive too. i can udnerstand if this was disputed territory with India, but this is a Sino Bhutanese dispute, imagine if we allowed this to happen, it will set a precedent. US can just land in SCS island and stop our construction citing mutual defence with Phil. It will be WWIII.

Quit beating the bush. India has a clear treaty with Bhutan on security. The one consequence of Doklam is that
that security commitment is crystal clear.

While USA has mutual defense treaties with number of states they have never intervened on behalf of those states for a minor boundary dispute

 

[Han Patriot]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...dia-military-standoff/?utm_term=.357e5b245557

BEIJING — For weeks, China’s Foreign Ministry had been vehement in its denunciations of India and insistence that New Delhi unconditionally withdraw troops that had trespassed into Chinese territory. Don't underestimate us, China repeatedly insisted, we are prepared for military conflict if need be.

Yet on Monday, it appeared as though Beijing, not New Delhi, had blinked.

Both sides withdrew troops to end the stand-off. Crucially, military sources told Indian newspapers that China has also withdrawn the bulldozers that were constructing a road on the plateau. That road, built on land contested between Bhutan and China, had been the reason Indian troops had entered the disputed area in the first place, in defense of its ally Bhutan.

No offense but I suggest you read the official statements and not some anal lysis from 'experts'.

http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/2511_665403/t1488261.shtml

Q: Could you tell us that how many Chinese soldiers are still deployed at the Dong Lang area?

A: This is a very specific question. What I can tell you is that The Chinese border troops continue with their patrols and stationing in the Dong Lang area. China will adjust and deploy its military resources in accordance with the need of guarding the border and the situation on the ground.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/29/c_136565670.htm

We will make an overall assessment of the weather conditions and all related factors, and according to the actual circumstances complete construction plans for the Dong Lang (Doklam) area," spokesperson Hua Chunying told a daily news briefing.

It is no coincidence MEA is awfully silent and vague on this.

Quit beating the bush. India has a clear treaty with Bhutan on security. The one consequence of Doklam is that
that security commitment is crystal clear.

While USA has mutual defense treaties with number of states they have never intervened on behalf of those states for a minor boundary dispute

Imagine this, what if we sign a mutual defence treaty with Pakistan, you want us to go into Kashmir?. My humble opinion, the escalation in Ladakh was a wake up call, China sent in troops on purpose to send a message, this will be a 2 front war. A week later you withdrew.