Chinese military research academy praises India's Arjun tank

[Major Shaitan Singh]

India's indigenous main battle tank (MBT) Arjun, which was developed after years of delays and cost-overruns, came in for praise from a top Chinese military research academy here that concentrates on the engineering requirements of the armed forces.

Senior Colonel Liu Degang, deputy commander of the Beijing-based academy, said that the MBT is "very good" for Indian conditions.

Liu, who was receiving a group of Indian journalists at the academy that also doubles as a research institute for its tanks and heavy armour, said that India had done well to develop its own MBT. The Arjun tank took nearly two decades, from the time the first prototype was revealed, to be inducted into the Indian Army and an upgraded version, Arjun MK-II, is reportedly being developed.

A visit to such a military research centre in China is rare and even the locally based Indian journalists have never been invited there. Liu, as senior commander, is ranked equivalent to a brigadier in the Indian Army.

Asked if such a visit would point to a "new found confidence", Liu said that China was "opening up, more and more, both politically and militarily". He spoke through a translator.

The journalists were also shown the series of tanks and armoured personnel carrier which had been modernised by the research centre and inducted by the Chinese army. Liu, however, was somewhat defensive when asked what percentage of the army comprised armoured divisions. "It is for the white paper of the government to deal with such matters," he said.

Talking of the modification of the Chinese main battle tank (MBT), Liu said that it had incorporated the latest changes in electronics and firepower technologies. For the kind of topography in which China had to fight, it was an advanced battle machine, he said.

He was asked to compare the Chinese MBT, with a US modern tank to which he said that both had different areas of operations and the Chinese one was superior in the role it would be called upon to play in the area where it would be called upon to play in the area where it would have to fight.

He said the academy and research centre had exchanges and training programmes with several countries and that Indian military officials had also visited them in Beijing. He said they had received some 300 delegations from about 70 countries and had helped train 2,700 army personnel from about 40 countries.

With India, he said "good neighbours should have a good understanding among themselves", and that exchanges between the two countries should be increased.

Liu said that almost all the heavy weaponry used by China is developed in-house, though they are willing to learn from others. He said that a country of China's size could not always depend on other countries, but they are open-minded about collaborating with other countries.

The centre, affiliated to the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is spread over 1,100 acres and has 720,000 square metres of buildings which also house residences for the senior staff. It fosters officers of the PLA and takes in 6,000 cadets annually.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

India's indigenous main battle tank (MBT) Arjun, which was developed after years of delays and cost-overruns, came in for praise from a top Chinese military research academy here that concentrates on the engineering requirements of the armed forces.

Senior Colonel Liu Degang, deputy commander of the Beijing-based academy, said that the MBT is "very good" for Indian conditions.

Liu, who was receiving a group of Indian journalists at the academy that also doubles as a research institute for its tanks and heavy armour, said that India had done well to develop its own MBT. The Arjun tank took nearly two decades, from the time the first prototype was revealed, to be inducted into the Indian Army and an upgraded version, Arjun MK-II, is reportedly being developed.

A visit to such a military research centre in China is rare and even the locally based Indian journalists have never been invited there. Liu, as senior commander, is ranked equivalent to a brigadier in the Indian Army.

Asked if such a visit would point to a "new found confidence", Liu said that China was "opening up, more and more, both politically and militarily". He spoke through a translator.

The journalists were also shown the series of tanks and armoured personnel carrier which had been modernised by the research centre and inducted by the Chinese army. Liu, however, was somewhat defensive when asked what percentage of the army comprised armoured divisions. "It is for the white paper of the government to deal with such matters," he said.

Talking of the modification of the Chinese main battle tank (MBT), Liu said that it had incorporated the latest changes in electronics and firepower technologies. For the kind of topography in which China had to fight, it was an advanced battle machine, he said.

He was asked to compare the Chinese MBT, with a US modern tank to which he said that both had different areas of operations and the Chinese one was superior in the role it would be called upon to play in the area where it would be called upon to play in the area where it would have to fight.

He said the academy and research centre had exchanges and training programmes with several countries and that Indian military officials had also visited them in Beijing. He said they had received some 300 delegations from about 70 countries and had helped train 2,700 army personnel from about 40 countries.

With India, he said "good neighbours should have a good understanding among themselves", and that exchanges between the two countries should be increased.

Liu said that almost all the heavy weaponry used by China is developed in-house, though they are willing to learn from others. He said that a country of China's size could not always depend on other countries, but they are open-minded about collaborating with other countries.

The centre, affiliated to the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is spread over 1,100 acres and has 720,000 square metres of buildings which also house residences for the senior staff. It fosters officers of the PLA and takes in 6,000 cadets annually.

Reminds me how once the Chinese military website Mil.news.sina.com.cn ranked Arjun MBT at #9 above their own Type-99 MBT at #10 in the list of world's top 10 leading MBT's.

Asitimes: China's media ranks 10 world leading tanks

 

[The_Sidewinder]

 

[graphican]

Did Arjun participate in international tanks competition?

 

[TheFlyingPretzel]

India's indigenous main battle tank (MBT) Arjun, which was developed after years of delays and cost-overruns, came in for praise from a top Chinese military research academy here that concentrates on the engineering requirements of the armed forces.

Senior Colonel Liu Degang, deputy commander of the Beijing-based academy, said that the MBT is "very good" for Indian conditions.

Liu, who was receiving a group of Indian journalists at the academy that also doubles as a research institute for its tanks and heavy armour, said that India had done well to develop its own MBT. The Arjun tank took nearly two decades, from the time the first prototype was revealed, to be inducted into the Indian Army and an upgraded version, Arjun MK-II, is reportedly being developed.

A visit to such a military research centre in China is rare and even the locally based Indian journalists have never been invited there. Liu, as senior commander, is ranked equivalent to a brigadier in the Indian Army.

Asked if such a visit would point to a "new found confidence", Liu said that China was "opening up, more and more, both politically and militarily". He spoke through a translator.

The journalists were also shown the series of tanks and armoured personnel carrier which had been modernised by the research centre and inducted by the Chinese army. Liu, however, was somewhat defensive when asked what percentage of the army comprised armoured divisions. "It is for the white paper of the government to deal with such matters," he said.

Talking of the modification of the Chinese main battle tank (MBT), Liu said that it had incorporated the latest changes in electronics and firepower technologies. For the kind of topography in which China had to fight, it was an advanced battle machine, he said.

He was asked to compare the Chinese MBT, with a US modern tank to which he said that both had different areas of operations and the Chinese one was superior in the role it would be called upon to play in the area where it would be called upon to play in the area where it would have to fight.

He said the academy and research centre had exchanges and training programmes with several countries and that Indian military officials had also visited them in Beijing. He said they had received some 300 delegations from about 70 countries and had helped train 2,700 army personnel from about 40 countries.

With India, he said "good neighbours should have a good understanding among themselves", and that exchanges between the two countries should be increased.

Liu said that almost all the heavy weaponry used by China is developed in-house, though they are willing to learn from others. He said that a country of China's size could not always depend on other countries, but they are open-minded about collaborating with other countries.

The centre, affiliated to the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is spread over 1,100 acres and has 720,000 square metres of buildings which also house residences for the senior staff. It fosters officers of the PLA and takes in 6,000 cadets annually.

Indians are so desperate to hear good things about the Arjun (which the army has rejected and refused to order in bulk as was planned earlier) that they've now resorted to quoting the words of a single Chinese person who was simply being a kind host to Indian journalists.




















________________________ (this is the bar which shows the new low to which Indians on this forum have sunk)

 

[cerberus]

(which the army has rejected and refused to order in bulk as was planned earlier)

Army Have Wrong Assumptions And they Have been Criticized And Humiliated for this in CAG Report
CAG blames Army for delay in Arjun tanks’ induction

 

[Alphacharlie]

How Shameful, Now Chinese will give us Weapons CERTIFICATION....

Rahul gandhi are you listening - You NUMBNUT!!

Its only now its being inducted....

 

[Matrixx]

come on man....you disappointed PDF members

 

[GR!FF!N]

come on man....you disappointed PDF members

Coming from Pakistani Trolls' Higher Than Mountain Friend??

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

The deputy commander of the Chinese academy had to be gracious and hospitable to his guests.

He couldn't just speak his mind. The way he answers questions, its as if hes following some kind of protocol and response chart.

If an African delegation asks his about African tanks, he would say "the are good for African conditions, well done".

 

[Omega007]

Well,being the first tank developed by the org,couples with the lack of interest it received from its would be users,the Arjun has some inherent design issues like turret geometry,position of GMS etc.But this should not be just written off,rather they should encourage the designers to continue further developing upon it and bring this beast to more modern standards with better ergonomics and all.And if we go by the CVRDE concept designs for its proposed FMBT,it would seem that they have really come a long way since the Arjun, with properly designing the turret with perfect turret geometry and sight placements.I think Army should give them one last opportunity.

 

[Echo_419]

India's indigenous main battle tank (MBT) Arjun, which was developed after years of delays and cost-overruns, came in for praise from a top Chinese military research academy here that concentrates on the engineering requirements of the armed forces.

Senior Colonel Liu Degang, deputy commander of the Beijing-based academy, said that the MBT is "very good" for Indian conditions.

Liu, who was receiving a group of Indian journalists at the academy that also doubles as a research institute for its tanks and heavy armour, said that India had done well to develop its own MBT. The Arjun tank took nearly two decades, from the time the first prototype was revealed, to be inducted into the Indian Army and an upgraded version, Arjun MK-II, is reportedly being developed.

A visit to such a military research centre in China is rare and even the locally based Indian journalists have never been invited there. Liu, as senior commander, is ranked equivalent to a brigadier in the Indian Army.

Asked if such a visit would point to a "new found confidence", Liu said that China was "opening up, more and more, both politically and militarily". He spoke through a translator.

The journalists were also shown the series of tanks and armoured personnel carrier which had been modernised by the research centre and inducted by the Chinese army. Liu, however, was somewhat defensive when asked what percentage of the army comprised armoured divisions. "It is for the white paper of the government to deal with such matters," he said.

Talking of the modification of the Chinese main battle tank (MBT), Liu said that it had incorporated the latest changes in electronics and firepower technologies. For the kind of topography in which China had to fight, it was an advanced battle machine, he said.

He was asked to compare the Chinese MBT, with a US modern tank to which he said that both had different areas of operations and the Chinese one was superior in the role it would be called upon to play in the area where it would be called upon to play in the area where it would have to fight.

He said the academy and research centre had exchanges and training programmes with several countries and that Indian military officials had also visited them in Beijing. He said they had received some 300 delegations from about 70 countries and had helped train 2,700 army personnel from about 40 countries.

With India, he said "good neighbours should have a good understanding among themselves", and that exchanges between the two countries should be increased.

Liu said that almost all the heavy weaponry used by China is developed in-house, though they are willing to learn from others. He said that a country of China's size could not always depend on other countries, but they are open-minded about collaborating with other countries.

The centre, affiliated to the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is spread over 1,100 acres and has 720,000 square metres of buildings which also house residences for the senior staff. It fosters officers of the PLA and takes in 6,000 cadets annually.

Arjun is a good tank suited to our requirements

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Well,being the first tank developed by the org,couples with the lack of interest it received from its would be users,the Arjun has some inherent design issues like turret geometry,position of GMS etc.But this should not be just written off,rather they should encourage the designers to continue further developing upon it and bring this beast to more modern standards with better ergonomics and all.And if we go by the CVRDE concept designs for its proposed FMBT,it would seem that they have really come a long way since the Arjun, with properly designing the turret with perfect turret geometry and sight placements.I think Army should give them one last opportunity.

Well, they had that fixed with one of the prototypes of the Arjun.

This turret was rejected by the army and wasnt further developed.

 

[Omega007]

Well, they had that fixed with one of the prototypes of the Arjun.

This turret was rejected by the army and wasnt further developed.

I know,I've seen this prototype before,the turret was based on a British prototype.Wonder why the Army didn't decide to go with this one,cause it is much more refined with uniform protection all over the frontal arc compared to the pressent turret design.

 

[Zarvan]

India's indigenous main battle tank (MBT) Arjun, which was developed after years of delays and cost-overruns, came in for praise from a top Chinese military research academy here that concentrates on the engineering requirements of the armed forces.

Senior Colonel Liu Degang, deputy commander of the Beijing-based academy, said that the MBT is "very good" for Indian conditions.

Liu, who was receiving a group of Indian journalists at the academy that also doubles as a research institute for its tanks and heavy armour, said that India had done well to develop its own MBT. The Arjun tank took nearly two decades, from the time the first prototype was revealed, to be inducted into the Indian Army and an upgraded version, Arjun MK-II, is reportedly being developed.

A visit to such a military research centre in China is rare and even the locally based Indian journalists have never been invited there. Liu, as senior commander, is ranked equivalent to a brigadier in the Indian Army.

Asked if such a visit would point to a "new found confidence", Liu said that China was "opening up, more and more, both politically and militarily". He spoke through a translator.

The journalists were also shown the series of tanks and armoured personnel carrier which had been modernised by the research centre and inducted by the Chinese army. Liu, however, was somewhat defensive when asked what percentage of the army comprised armoured divisions. "It is for the white paper of the government to deal with such matters," he said.

Talking of the modification of the Chinese main battle tank (MBT), Liu said that it had incorporated the latest changes in electronics and firepower technologies. For the kind of topography in which China had to fight, it was an advanced battle machine, he said.

He was asked to compare the Chinese MBT, with a US modern tank to which he said that both had different areas of operations and the Chinese one was superior in the role it would be called upon to play in the area where it would be called upon to play in the area where it would have to fight.

He said the academy and research centre had exchanges and training programmes with several countries and that Indian military officials had also visited them in Beijing. He said they had received some 300 delegations from about 70 countries and had helped train 2,700 army personnel from about 40 countries.

With India, he said "good neighbours should have a good understanding among themselves", and that exchanges between the two countries should be increased.

Liu said that almost all the heavy weaponry used by China is developed in-house, though they are willing to learn from others. He said that a country of China's size could not always depend on other countries, but they are open-minded about collaborating with other countries.

The centre, affiliated to the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is spread over 1,100 acres and has 720,000 square metres of buildings which also house residences for the senior staff. It fosters officers of the PLA and takes in 6,000 cadets annually.

Only problem is Indian Army doesn't want this Tank